Burgess against single tyre rule

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 30 2008, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm failry sick of conspiracy theories and ideas of this manipulating that etc.
Of course you are Jarno, as I recall, I think its because you don't want the favoritism to be exposed. As I remember, you were a staunch defender of Rossi getting his Bstones. Which would have been fine had EVERYBODY else been given this opportunity.

"Carmelo is just worried about the show on TV. But if anybody has mucked up the racing it is Casey and Valentino because they clear off by so much. A few years ago Valentino was ahead of rivals but he managed the race and made it look like a race.

Carmelo got used to that but he forgets that Mick Doohan used to clear off by a country mile. The show has got so big with Valentino that they can’t accept any backward step, which happens in all sports.

"I understand the panicking of that but you don’t jack with the rules of tennis when Roger Federer wins all the games.”

Straight from Jeremy Burgess Rossi's crew chief. Article on MCN.

This goes to show that it isn't far fetched that EZY is in panic mode and will do anything to the series to make the money!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 29 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your point is valid and has primarily been my concern and argument against the thought process that a control tyre will make for closer racing.

IMO, it will not as the tyres used are developed based upon specific feedback from those using them who have their own specific nuances which affect tyre performance.

Further as you have suggested the likely scenario is that the tyre will be developed based upon the feedback of the 'highest placed' or 'most highly regarded' rider. This then will mean that the tyre will be developed based upon the preferences of one rider and again may likely not suit other riders (the saqme argument used against Stoner and the Ducati development). Should therefore other riders be forced to use equipment that cannot be developed to their tastes or preferences?
Damn it. Just when I felt fine with this idea of a control tire; I am now having a sinking feeling. I suppose my knee jerk reaction was to think a control tire meant everybody would get the same tire and equal the playing field. But now I am having the grim realization that this will translate into having a spec tire for Rossi and everybody else will have to adapt. Its not like Dorna & Co haven't had a track record of favoring one over the other.

Dorna in charge of a control tire, yeah, that will be fair--NOT!

dudes..they're ....... tires...they will ALL get the same ....... get the .... over it

there will be no advantages..and most importantly there will be NO excuses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dudes..they're ....... tires...they will ALL get the same ....... get the .... over it

there will be no advantages..and most importantly there will be NO excuses.
If you were a fan of any other rider instead of ROSSI then this wouldn't be so off based but come on dude even Jeremy Burgess is saying it is stupid cause he knows what's gonna happen when they dev a tire that Vale was the main guy giving the feedback. Plus they are just tires? Tell that to anyone that knows motorcycles.

Based on how Pirelli handles WSBK, a spec tire would be moulded, not hand made (due to monetary/efficiency constraints). A mould along with randomized tire distribution would go a LONG way in making everyone level.

Pirellis are now the undisputed best motorcycle street tire because WSBK homologation led to significant manufacturing efficienty. This rule would be good for all riders getting consistent tires (provided theres a tire warming prohibition). It'd be even better for consumers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you were a fan of any other rider instead of ROSSI then this wouldn't be so off based but come on dude even Jeremy Burgess is saying it is stupid cause he knows what's gonna happen when they dev a tire that Vale was the main guy giving the feedback. Plus they are just tires? Tell that to anyone that knows motorcycles.


..... i know MORE about bikes and GP than you and most here... I am a fan to more than one rider... the prob is you and your negative nancy Rossi haters love to try and take away from what he has accomplished...look at the numbers man...get over it... He's the GOAT...he's been winning for over a DECADE...I don't give a rats ... what JB has to say on the issue...he's a wrench turner NOT a rider..he's not the one out there risking his ... every time he clocks in...

lets just all have them run a ....... foot race from now on.......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't give a rats ... what JB has to say on the issue...he's a wrench turner NOT a rider

A wrench turner?

He must be a bloody good one...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Sep 30 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A wrench turner?

He must be a bloody good one...

Bloody good?? he's the ....... BEST..whats your point noob

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bloody good?? he's the ....... BEST..whats your point noob

I know he's the best, hence why i said that.

I thought you suggested he was 'just' a wrench turner. I misunderstood it seems.

Ah 'noob', yes i am exactly that, thanks for pointing it out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (two-stroke @ Sep 30 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know he's the best, hence why i said that.

I thought you suggested he was 'just' a wrench turner. I misunderstood it seems.

Ah 'noob', yes i am exactly that, thanks for pointing it out


It's my job to point that out m8

no i didn't mean he's JUST a wrench turner...he's the GOAT of mechanics...but he's not a rider.

ezys control tyre to slow corner speeds .

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 30 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ezys control tyre to slow corner speeds .

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I wana see 2 wide through the Cork Screw on those

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..... i know MORE about bikes and GP than you and most here... I am a fan to more than one rider... the prob is you and your negative nancy Rossi haters love to try and take away from what he has accomplished...look at the numbers man...get over it... He's the GOAT...he's been winning for over a DECADE...I don't give a rats ... what JB has to say on the issue...he's a wrench turner NOT a rider..he's not the one out there risking his ... every time he clocks in...

lets just all have them run a ....... foot race from now on.......
First off I know you don't know more than me and also some of these guys that were here before we were even born about motorcycles and moto gp. You turn a blind eye to the reality to make believe what you speak is truth. He is the GOAT so that isn't the problem. Plus I am not a Rossi hater I really like and respect him. The part I don't like is that EVEN HIS OWN CREWCHEIF is hinting at the ........ cause he actually may be a dude with some integrity. Jb isn't just a wench turner or do you think Rossi did it all on his own. IF you do like your statement implies then you don't know .... about motorcycles and moto gp ...... LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First off I know you don't know more than me and also some of these guys that were here before we were even born about motorcycles and moto gp. You turn a blind eye to the reality to make believe what you speak is truth. He is the GOAT so that isn't the problem. Plus I am not a Rossi hater I really like and respect him. The part I don't like is that EVEN HIS OWN CREWCHEIF is hinting at the ........ cause he actually may be a dude with some integrity. Jb isn't just a wench turner or do you think Rossi did it all on his own. IF you do like your statement implies then you don't know .... about motorcycles and moto gp ...... LOL

Oh yeah...JB ALSO said it was mistake leaving Mich to run Bstones... you think he feels the same?







PS: I've forgotten more bout bikes and GP than you will ever learn

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 30 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh yeah...JB ALSO said it was mistake leaving Mich to run Bstones... you think he feels the same?







PS: I've forgotten more bout bikes and GP than you will ever learn
Aparently you did forget... how to ride LOL!!!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This goes to show that it isn't far fetched that EZY is in panic mode and will do anything to the series to make the money!

Welcome to my world.

Burgess and I should hang out together. It seems we have a similar opinion Ezy.

The funny thing is that all we heard last year was about having the ratings suffer since Rossi isn't this, Rossi isn't that, Rossi needs to be on the podium cause his fans don't want to watch him lose. BLAH BLAH BLAH. So the Rossi faithful don't want to see him lose. AWWWWWWWW poor wittle baby don't want to see rwossi lose. I know he is the best and the man, the goat, etc. SO ...... what if it isn't for real and the tires Rossi gets is better than Stoner who is and has been faster what the ....? Manufactured championship is the deal is what the ..... HEy it worked cause no one believes it. He no one believes in life on other planets either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The funny thing is that all we heard last year was about having the ratings suffer since Rossi isn't this, Rossi isn't that, Rossi needs to be on the podium cause his fans don't want to watch him lose. BLAH BLAH BLAH. So the Rossi faithful don't want to see him lose. AWWWWWWWW poor wittle baby don't want to see rwossi lose. I know he is the best and the man, the goat, etc. SO ...... what if it isn't for real and the tires Rossi gets is better than Stoner who is and has been faster what the ....? Manufactured championship is the deal is what the ..... HEy it worked cause no one believes it. He no one believes in life on other planets either.
Stoner is not known for keeping quiet when something is pissing him off (quite correctly in my book).
For this reason I find it unlikely, given Stoner's silence on the matter, that Rossi is getting better tyres than him or that Stoner believes that the championship is fixed.

Being faster over 4 or so lap stints during FP and QP is not the same as 20-odd laps starting with a full tank on race day.

It is perfectly believable to me that Burgess and Rossi often fine tune the Yam on the morning of the race, thus finding the missing few tenths. Remember Assen 2007? 11th on the grid, found something during race morning, stormed through to win.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is not known for keeping quiet when something is pissing him off (quite correctly in my book).
For this reason I find it unlikely, given Stoner's silence on the matter, that Rossi is getting better tyres than him or that Stoner believes that the championship is fixed.

Being faster over 4 or so lap stints during FP and QP is not the same as 20-odd laps starting with a full tank on race day.

It is perfectly believable to me that Burgess and Rossi often fine tune the Yam on the morning of the race, thus finding the missing few tenths. Remember Assen 2007? 11th on the grid, found something during race morning, stormed through to win.
YEah I know dude its all Fair and balanced. There could NEVER be any ........ to ever tarnish the record of MOTO GP!