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Burgess against single tyre rule

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i have to agree anyone?

linky: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71014



Valentino Rossi's chief engineer, Jerry Burgess, believes MotoGP's decision to become a single tyre formula next season is a mistake.

The Grand Prix Commission announced the rule change at Motegi on Sunday, following increasing speculation in recent months as Bridgestone dominated this year's championship.

But Burgess says the move will remove one of the key elements of grand prix racing.

"I'm against it, this is a prototype championship and you need as many prototype factors in it, driving it forward, as possible," he said.

"If it's dumbed down, we could very easily end up as a pseudo Superbike championship.

"We've essentially been one brand before, during the mid to late 90s when Michelin were the de-facto supplier, but there were tyres then that Mick Doohan was riding that not many others could ride. What we need is a one brand rule with choices."

Burgess also doubts that a single supplier will change which riders are contesting victory at the front.

"The cream will always ride to the top," he added. "We've seen this in Formula One, and indeed in 250cc with Dunlop. The racing will be entirely predictable in that the same four riders will be at the top, Valentino (Rossi), Casey (Stoner), (Dani) Pedrosa, and Jorge (Lorenzo).

"What I really want to know is the reason this has come about. Surely the most exciting racing at Motegi was the battle between Lorenzo and Pedrosa on two different brands."
 
i agree with him. burgess knows his stuff and has seen it all before. although he got it wrong with vale switching to bridgestones..

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 29 2008, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with him. burgess knows his stuff and has seen it all before. although he got it wrong with vale switching to bridgestones..

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Ditto. Stupid stupid stupid idea. I hold out hope that it fails. And, this coming from the championship winners chief mechanic. Who in hell would you listen to more?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Sep 29 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ditto. Stupid stupid stupid idea. I hold out hope that it fails. And, this coming from the championship winners chief mechanic. Who in hell would you listen to more?

Is it possible Burgess isn't being totally objective? Does he stand to lose anything if everyone gets the same brand of tire?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Sep 29 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who in hell would you listen to more?

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probably the guy risking his LIFE every time he gets ON the bike
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All due respect to Burgess, the following are facts:

1. All the riders agreed unanimously for a single tire rule. This may be due to the proposed safety concerns (see below) or for personal/selfish reasons by the riders themselves.

2. Corner speeds are up and continue to rise.

3. More corner speed means the need for increasingly longer runoff area.

4. Track owners have to spends LOTS of money every year to keep increasing runoff.

5. Soon the tracks will say "Enough!"; because there will be a point where the costs outweigh the benefits.

6. If the GP circus doesn't come up with a solution, the whole house of cards will come falling down.

Contrary to the opinion of the mouthbreathers on the internet, Ezpeleta is a smart guy who's looking ahead and making sure the GP's move forward.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Sep 29 2008, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All due respect to Burgess, the following are facts:

1. All the riders agreed unanimously for a single tire rule. This may be due to the proposed safety concerns (see below) or for personal/selfish reasons by the riders themselves.

2. Corner speeds are up and continue to rise.

3. More corner speed means the need for increasingly longer runoff area.

4. Track owners have to spends LOTS of money every year to keep increasing runoff.

5. Soon the tracks will say "Enough!"; because there will be a point where the costs outweigh the benefits.

6. If the GP circus doesn't come up with a solution, the whole house of cards will come falling down.

Contrary to the opinion of the mouthbreathers on the internet, Ezpeleta is a smart guy who's looking ahead and making sure the GP's move forward.

Control tires aren't the only way to slow things down. They could easily add 10 or 20kg to min weight.

I hope the control tire fails b/c I think they will eventually have to come clean and tell everyone they will limit cornering g's.
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I will be able to die in peace.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 29 2008, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Control tires aren't the only way to slow things down. They could easily add 10 or 20kg to min weight.

I hope the control tire fails b/c I think they will eventually have to come clean and tell everyone they will limit cornering g's.
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I will be able to die in peace.
Ands im sick of hearing about corner speeds been to high what about 250s and 125s for gods sakes!?Okay in the really quick corners the 800s will get to a higher top speed but theres not that many corners like that.This is all bull
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Sep 29 2008, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All due respect to Burgess, the following are facts:

1. All the riders agreed unanimously for a single tire rule. This may be due to the proposed safety concerns (see below) or for personal/selfish reasons by the riders themselves.

2. Corner speeds are up and continue to rise.

3. More corner speed means the need for increasingly longer runoff area.

4. Track owners have to spends LOTS of money every year to keep increasing runoff.

5. Soon the tracks will say "Enough!"; because there will be a point where the costs outweigh the benefits.

6. If the GP circus doesn't come up with a solution, the whole house of cards will come falling down.

Contrary to the opinion of the mouthbreathers on the internet, Ezpeleta is a smart guy who's looking ahead and making sure the GP's move forward.


#1 Riders are looking out for their own interests. I hardly blame them and would feel the same if I were a rider and my weekend got screwed because the tire company gave me ...... tires. they want to take tires out of the equation. That is not the best options for the general public. We need to see better product in the market place. and competition drives that

#2 Where was "Ezpeleta the smart guy" when he made the choice to switch to 800cc? Did he not know that corner speeds would be up? BTW, if your logic was consistent, you would have noted that riders (atleast the top ones) want to go back to 990cc. Why is that not being considered? Because it would make Ezpeleta look not so smart?

#6 the house of cards will come falling down, when they start putting more restrictions and regulations. It is pretty much becoming like Superbike series.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 29 2008, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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How many get offs are the fault of the machine this year? The machine doesn't twist its own throttle or apply its own brakes. The riders are in total control of the machine and they can choose to ride it any way they want. They set it up any way they want and choose the tires to run. Give them a pile of mediocre tires and tell them to win but slow down while doing so. Sounds good to me.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Sep 29 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ands im sick of hearing about corner speeds been to high what about 250s and 125s for gods sakes!?Okay in the really quick corners the 800s will get to a higher top speed but theres not that many corners like that.This is all bull
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The sport had someone perish during an on track incident for the first time in 40 or so years. The FIM, DORNA, the MSMA, and IRTA can not afford another on track death anytime soon.

Did you happen to see Hopper's or Capi's crash at Assen? Did you see Casey's crash at the downhill right-hander in Sachsenring? Do you remember DeAngelis' crash at Jerez were the front tucked and the rear hit him in the face? How about Pedrosa's crash at Sachsenring?

I'm all for unlimited performance. I want to see cornerspeeds get higher and top speeds get higher. I want to find out what human beings can do, but it needs to be safe (little/no threat of death). Safety will catch up, while we wait they can make some changes.

I will say this: most things in sport are adjustable over time, is it possible to successfully repeal control tire legislation?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Sep 29 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many get offs are the fault of the machine this year? The machine doesn't twist its own throttle or apply its own brakes. The riders are in total control of the machine and they can choose to ride it any way they want. They set it up any way they want and choose the tires to run. Give them a pile of mediocre tires and tell them to win but slow down while doing so. Sounds good to me.
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read what you just typed....you make no sense
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During the 500cc and 990cc eras if you were not running M's you were not a title contender.

Someone explain to me how that isn't a "control tire" in GP racing.
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There are already "controls" in place (weight, fuel, engine size, etc). Development pushes forward, because manufacturers and riders have to go faster than the other guy within those limits.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 29 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>read what you just typed....you make no sense
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I was being sarcastic...
 
Oh, everybody knows Burgess is a good old friend of Bibendum... Jeremy can be considered a Michelin testimonial. He was against Rossi's move to Stones for the same reason. His opinion on these matters is not technicallly objective, but politically biased
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (svgamer @ Sep 29 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>During the 500cc and 990cc eras if you were not running M's you were not a title contender.

Someone explain to me how that isn't a "control tire" in GP racing.
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Because they were anything but. Michelin made the now famous "Saturday night specials" and offerd them only to selcted riders. Also testing and developemnt with selected riders or input from slected riders gave those riders an advantage. A control tire should work entirely different from that system.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Sep 29 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>#1 Riders are looking out for their own interests. I hardly blame them and would feel the same if I were a rider and my weekend got screwed because the tire company gave me ...... tires. they want to take tires out of the equation. That is not the best options for the general public. We need to see better product in the market place. and competition drives that

#2 Where was "Ezpeleta the smart guy" when he made the choice to switch to 800cc? Did he not know that corner speeds would be up? BTW, if your logic was consistent, you would have noted that riders (atleast the top ones) want to go back to 990cc. Why is that not being considered? Because it would make Ezpeleta look not so smart?

#6 the house of cards will come falling down, when they start putting more restrictions and regulations. It is pretty much becoming like Superbike series.

You should check out the definition of "Fact"

Try dictionary.com, it's very convenient.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Sep 29 2008, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valentino Rossi's chief engineer, Jerry Burgess, believes MotoGP's decision to become a single tyre formula next season is a mistake.
Translation: I'm worried we may lose our tire advantage. Besides, everybody knows my boy has special needs in tires, up until now we have had our way, but if its a REAL control tire system, then I'm against it.


Don't worry Burgy, they will find a way to keep giving you the "SAME" <strike>special </strike>spec tires. Keep the faith, don't forget when everybody had Michelins but you got the good stuff.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 29 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Translation: I'm worried we may lose our tire advantage. Besides, everybody knows my boy has special needs in tires, up until now we have had our way, but if its a REAL control tire system, then I'm against it.


Don't worry Burgy, they will find a way to keep giving you the "SAME" <strike>special </strike>spec tires. Keep the faith, don't forget when everybody had Michelins but you got the good stuff.

You have a point. Rossi is the biggest proponent of the control tire. He looks amazingly calm for a man who is about to have the good Bridgestone stuff given to everyone on the grid.

I'm sure his skill will prevail.
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Okay, I know he really is that good, but even Rossi deserves a dig now and again.
 

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