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I also love mentals point about a breakaway series.



The risk is a breakaway series is like a breeding ground for bacteria, if everything is healthy, some T cells (perhaps TV cells) blast it.



When its unhealthy and your bike at home is faster than a WSBK (as it will become) then look out.



I never want to see WSBK as a support class, it is simply too good.
 
I have to admit Ezy has done well for himself. A couple of high profile defectors to WSBK would of dealt a heavy blow to MotoSpainVR. Instead he ..... over SBK. Just think if Spies, Stoner, Crutchlow, Hayden, Bradl, DePuniet Edwards and the other no talent, non Spanish riders all went SBK. It would be epic, all hail the new King. Instead we have backroom dealing Ezy ....... over Flammini and fans to deliver even more of his concept of how bike racing should be. I definitely understand what Stoner is retiring from, it aint bike racing, its .........
 
I have to admit Ezy has done well for himself. A couple of high profile defectors to WSBK would of dealt a heavy blow to MotoSpainVR. Instead he ..... over SBK. Just think if Spies, Stoner, Crutchlow, Hayden, Bradl, DePuniet Edwards and the other no talent, non Spanish riders all went SBK. It would be epic, all hail the new King. Instead we have backroom dealing Ezy ....... over Flammini and fans to deliver even more of his concept of how bike racing should be. I definitely understand what Stoner is retiring from, it aint bike racing, its .........



My point (in another thread where I found some autistic kids) is that WSBK became too big and the elephant in the corner was beginning to swallow the whole house. Ezy had to get it and put it on that metaphorical diet. So MotoSpainVR could continue without dumping the baby with the bathwater.



Now Ezy and Valentino are going to be rich and have little poo babies together.
 
My point (in another thread where I found some autistic kids) is that WSBK became to big and the elephant in the corner was beginning to swallow the whole house. Ezy had to get it and put it on that metaphorical diet. So MotoSpainVR could continue without dumping the baby with the bathwater.



Now Ezy and Valentino are going to be rich and have little poo babies together.

Tis true. Some quick research reveals there are 9 different winners and therefore minimum 9, but likely even more competitive rides available in SBK. From the outside it looks healthy. Flammini's did something right and learnt what not to do after it was the Ducati cup.



Carmelo's new champion and blueprint for the future, namely moto2, with the best most unpredictable racing in the world has a total of only 4 different winners. Lots of competitive spec bikes eh? Me thinks not. It has quickly become the same as motogp. Score a rich well supported naming rights sponsor and a special 'spec' bike and you have a shot. How do you get a rich sponsor? Birth rights. A special bike. Ask Uncle Carmelo. Looks like very unhealthy competition.
 
Good. WSBK is too far removed from it's real roots - racing 'production' bikes. The level of technology on these bikes barely resembles anything on a stock bike. A step closer towards SSTK 1000 rules is what is needed. Once this is achieved, MotoGP can reduce the level of the electronics, without having the concern that WSBK will get too close in the laptimes.



Both series need a clear identity. When you start to blur the lines, then it becomes very difficult to make both of them commercially viable.
 
Good. WSBK is too far removed from it's real roots - racing 'production' bikes. The level of technology on these bikes barely resembles anything on a stock bike. A step closer towards SSTK 1000 rules is what is needed. Once this is achieved, MotoGP can reduce the level of the electronics, without having the concern that WSBK will get too close in the laptimes.



Both series need a clear identity. When you start to blur the lines, then it becomes very difficult to make both of them commercially viable.



Respectfully good sir,



At the moment solving the issues of motogp by changing WSBK is not a fix for motogp, just removing a competitor. It would be little different ethically to Microsoft buying apple and limiting their products to phones and Ipods (this a stretch i admit).



At the moment irrespective of intent the WSBK series is running very well, it produces amazing racing and for no other reason fixing something that isn't broken to prop up another series that is, in my opinion, flawed shouldn't sit well with people.



The competition between the two series should be the foundation on which improvements grow. This will not end well I fear.
 
Good. WSBK is too far removed from it's real roots - racing 'production' bikes. The level of technology on these bikes barely resembles anything on a stock bike. A step closer towards SSTK 1000 rules is what is needed. Once this is achieved, MotoGP can reduce the level of the electronics, without having the concern that WSBK will get too close in the laptimes.



Both series need a clear identity. When you start to blur the lines, then it becomes very difficult to make both of them commercially viable.

They do appear that way at times, with carbon fairings, Ohlins forks, and qualy special engines etc. On the other hand a Supersport 600 is not highly modified yet runs only 3 seconds per lap off a superbike:

Portimão, 21-22-23 September 2012

J. CLUZEL Honda CBR600RR fastest lap 1'47.416 top speed 272,7 kph

B. STARING Kawasaki ZX-10R fastest lap 1'47.367 top speed 280,5 kph

E. LAVERTY Aprilia RSV4 Factory fastest lap 1'44.578 top speed 300,0 kph



Not a lot of margin to fiddle. A superstock 1000 is running about the same lap as the 600's. My bet is first thing on the new WSBK agenda will be engine limits ala motogp. That will slow them down enough to avoid the embarrassment of a SBK Aprilia being faster than the CRT equivalent.



Go Brian Staring!!
 
Andy, i didnt realize how much i missed ur posts.



Autistic kid. Haha, ur too kind.
 
Andy, i didnt realize how much i missed ur posts.



Autistic kid. Haha, ur too kind.



I've been a little down, personally I suspect that



(a ) I forget who it was actually sent me some snail mail to encourage me.



(b ) someone knew that I was coming back on; that



(c )someone created some window licking Muppet characters to make me feel better and I really appreciate it dude, I feel so lifted.
 
Haha J4rno. Dorna are as interested in keeping down cost as they are in safety. But hey, they got enuf buyers of their ........, so they'll keep on selling it.

And you are one of them.....

How may GPs did you attend this year? And buy related merchandise?

Or simply watched GP races on TV or Internet?

And posted on this forum about races....?



Doesnt matter what they change you have bought in to the BS of Dorna hook line an sinker.....and you will keep buying it....cause you are addicted to it (like the rest of us on here).....
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Translation, World Super Stock will now masquerade as WSBK, while WSBK will masquerade as Moto GP.



Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends

We're so glad you could attend, come inside come inside.



I really wish you would read the rulebooks and acquire and understanding of how modifications affect the 'smartness' or 'dumbness' of a formula. You could spare us your inane ramblings. Superstock doesn't meet anyone's objectives, and considering that WSBK can't even balance two different configurations of motorcycle, they certainly couldn't figure out how to equalize a half dozen stock machines with substantially different levels of engine tuning and equipment.



If DMG ran WSBK they would try to turn Superbike racing into performance-balanced Superstock, but they didn't even succeed in that endeavor in the US.
 
What happens to Flammini now?



I have an idea. Go talk with Honda, start a new series.



Starting a new series is fairly straightforward - decide a formula, get the FIM to manage the rules, develop an infrastructure to manage the racing, another infrastructure to manage the promotion, ticketing and media, find some racetracks willing to host, convince teams to build bikes to compete, put on races.



What isn't so straightforward is the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to do that. Then there is the spectre that it may be a flop (A1 GP anyone?).



The top racetracks have most 'good' weekends already booked, the lesser ones don't have the facilities or are logistically difficult for international competition.



Luring riders away from MotoGP, World and Domestic Superbikes, with teams of technicians, managers, support services (tyres, electronics, etc.)



The thing about WSBK and MotoGP is that they have grown over decades to be where they are now. They did that in the cradle of low-budget, media-free local and small-team racing, that grew.



Think of the cost of logistically running a race team for a year in international competition - no bike costs or team or rider wages, just the cost of moving .... around - it runs to millions.



It would require a billionaire willing to invest a lot of cash on the off-chance the competition would take off and willing to lose the lot, for a few years.



The way international racing series are built is by getting accord between national race series for common rules and technical specs and then the pressure of competition will be such that international competition could flourish.



WSBK came from Formula TT, which was itself an outgrowth of GP racing. There was nearly 40 years of racing development, promotion, investment by builders, crews, riders, managers, promoters, track owners, the FIM, the ACU, etc.



Doing all that in one go and expecting it to be competitive is unrealistic, IMO.
 
What happens to Flammini now?



I have an idea. Go talk with Honda, start a new series.



Flammini is the President of Infront - an employee of Bridgepoint, in other words.



I am not sure that, in light of this announcemnt, he has much control over what happens now.



It looks like Ezpeleta is the one with the power.
 
Starting a new series is fairly straightforward - decide a formula, get the FIM to manage the rules, develop an infrastructure to manage the racing, another infrastructure to manage the promotion, ticketing and media, find some racetracks willing to host, convince teams to build bikes to compete, put on races.



What isn't so straightforward is the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to do that. Then there is the spectre that it may be a flop (A1 GP anyone?).



The top racetracks have most 'good' weekends already booked, the lesser ones don't have the facilities or are logistically difficult for international competition.



Luring riders away from MotoGP, World and Domestic Superbikes, with teams of technicians, managers, support services (tyres, electronics, etc.)



The thing about WSBK and MotoGP is that they have grown over decades to be where they are now. They did that in the cradle of low-budget, media-free local and small-team racing, that grew.



Think of the cost of logistically running a race team for a year in international competition - no bike costs or team or rider wages, just the cost of moving .... around - it runs to millions.



It would require a billionaire willing to invest a lot of cash on the off-chance the competition would take off and willing to lose the lot, for a few years.



The way international racing series are built is by getting accord between national race series for common rules and technical specs and then the pressure of competition will be such that international competition could flourish.



WSBK came from Formula TT, which was itself an outgrowth of GP racing. There was nearly 40 years of racing development, promotion, investment by builders, crews, riders, managers, promoters, track owners, the FIM, the ACU, etc.



Doing all that in one go and expecting it to be competitive is unrealistic, IMO.

Looks like it would require a helping court case or two. Flammini might need to have a chat with Bernie first to understand how that goes, conflict of interest and all. In reality without Bridgepoint for protection SBK would be suing the crap out of DORNA's 600cc moto2, 1000cc CRT "inventions". I wonder if there was an internal war decided in the favour of good ole uncle Ez.
 
Haha J4rno. Dorna are as interested in keeping down cost as they are in safety. But hey, they got enuf buyers of their ........, so they'll keep on selling it.



Regarding safety I agree, not regarding money. They do have an interest: they have to beef up the grid and curbing costs is the only way.

Also there is an economic crisis in case you haven't noticed.
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Regarding safety I agree, not regarding money. They do have an interest: they have to beef up the grid and curbing costs is the only way.

Also there is an economic crisis in case you haven't noticed.
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I have it on good authority that there isn't and that everything is going to be okay. Seriously.
 

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