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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 21 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]96367[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
thats all pretty disgusting really.
Totally agree
but at least Bridgestone blew the whistle on them publicly.
thats all pretty disgusting really.
Totally agree
but at least Bridgestone blew the whistle on them publicly.
like most things, it seems to boil down to who's losing money and how desperate they are to kepp the income flowing in....
all in all, this makes me sick....how ....... corrupt and crooked does this seem?
would someone like hopper or RDP have this much "influence"? yes, rossi has earned his status but to abuse it like this and get Dorna to do the dirty work is despicable.....
at least be open and honest about your reasons to switch...and stop playing the "snake in the grass" games....
all in all, this makes me sick....how ....... corrupt and crooked does this seem?
would someone like hopper or RDP have this much "influence"? yes, rossi has earned his status but to abuse it like this and get Dorna to do the dirty work is despicable.....
at least be open and honest about your reasons to switch...and stop playing the "snake in the grass" games....
I saw Ezpeleta interviewed today. He denied over and over that he blackmailed bridgestone with the single tyre rule change, even though the guy interviewing him was like a dog with a bone about it.
I don't understand all the fuss.
At the end of last season, Marco Melandri switched to bridgestone because he'd had a hard season with his Michelins and he thought bridgestone would give him better support where Honda weren't. Of course at the time he already knew he'd be going to DUcati and hence bridgestones as of next season so maybe he just wanted to start getting used to them. However isn't it also a possibility he just wanted to give himself the best fighting chance? I saw a fair few people on here thinking he was commiting suicide but nobody was crying foul. Nobody thought he was suddenly TAKING anything from anybody else. And in fact he didn't. What kind of reasoning is that?
Rossi wants to switch to bridgestones after 2 dismal seasons with Michelins and suddenly the world is up in arms. It's all this huge consipiracy. Dorna is in on it. The rest of the grid is being screwed out of their 'rights' to compete. WTF??!?!?! If Rossi wanted to change his shocks suppliers nobody would bat an eyelid. What is wrong with people? Michelin have been screwing up. ANd not just this season. Am i the only person who remembers Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin falling apart in China in 06 to the extent that he could not finish the race? And that was not the only time his Michelins played up that season. This season is not even worth talking about.
This has all been blown out of proportion by the single tyre ruling threat. So Rossi wants to switch brands and that equals a single tyre ruling? How does that work? The truth is that Michelin have screwed all their riders over this year and none of the riders want to stay on them because they're just not getting their act together. Bridgestone are already the major suppliers on the grid. They've improved beyond belief this year. Isn't it just plain common sense that riders would want the best components their teams can get them? And that includes tyres. Even without the need for a single tyre ruling, given the choice ALL the riders would be on bridgestone if bridgestone would have them. And that is the issue. Bridgestone won't have them.
I don't understand all the fuss.
At the end of last season, Marco Melandri switched to bridgestone because he'd had a hard season with his Michelins and he thought bridgestone would give him better support where Honda weren't. Of course at the time he already knew he'd be going to DUcati and hence bridgestones as of next season so maybe he just wanted to start getting used to them. However isn't it also a possibility he just wanted to give himself the best fighting chance? I saw a fair few people on here thinking he was commiting suicide but nobody was crying foul. Nobody thought he was suddenly TAKING anything from anybody else. And in fact he didn't. What kind of reasoning is that?
Rossi wants to switch to bridgestones after 2 dismal seasons with Michelins and suddenly the world is up in arms. It's all this huge consipiracy. Dorna is in on it. The rest of the grid is being screwed out of their 'rights' to compete. WTF??!?!?! If Rossi wanted to change his shocks suppliers nobody would bat an eyelid. What is wrong with people? Michelin have been screwing up. ANd not just this season. Am i the only person who remembers Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin falling apart in China in 06 to the extent that he could not finish the race? And that was not the only time his Michelins played up that season. This season is not even worth talking about.
This has all been blown out of proportion by the single tyre ruling threat. So Rossi wants to switch brands and that equals a single tyre ruling? How does that work? The truth is that Michelin have screwed all their riders over this year and none of the riders want to stay on them because they're just not getting their act together. Bridgestone are already the major suppliers on the grid. They've improved beyond belief this year. Isn't it just plain common sense that riders would want the best components their teams can get them? And that includes tyres. Even without the need for a single tyre ruling, given the choice ALL the riders would be on bridgestone if bridgestone would have them. And that is the issue. Bridgestone won't have them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 21 2007, 06:12 PM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I saw Ezpeleta interviewed today. He denied over and over that he blackmailed bridgestone with the single tyre rule change, even though the guy interviewing him was like a dog with a bone about it.
I don't understand all the fuss.
At the end of last season, Marco Melandri switched to bridgestone because he'd had a hard season with his Michelins and he thought bridgestone would give him better support where Honda weren't. Of course at the time he already knew he'd be going to DUcati and hence bridgestones as of next season so maybe he just wanted to start getting used to them. However isn't it also a possibility he just wanted to give himself the best fighting chance? I saw a fair few people on here thinking he was commiting suicide but nobody was crying foul. Nobody thought he was suddenly TAKING anything from anybody else. And in fact he didn't. What kind of reasoning is that?
Rossi wants to switch to bridgestones after 2 dismal seasons with Michelins and suddenly the world is up in arms. It's all this huge consipiracy. Dorna is in on it. The rest of the grid is being screwed out of their 'rights' to compete. WTF??!?!?! If Rossi wanted to change his shocks suppliers nobody would bat an eyelid. What is wrong with people? Michelin have been screwing up. ANd not just this season. Am i the only person who remembers Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin falling apart in China in 06 to the extent that he could not finish the race? And that was not the only time his Michelins played up that season. This season is not even worth talking about.
This has all been blown out of proportion by the single tyre ruling threat. So Rossi wants to switch brands and that equals a single tyre ruling? How does that work? The truth is that Michelin have screwed all their riders over this year and none of the riders want to stay on them because they're just not getting their act together. Bridgestone are already the major suppliers on the grid. They've improved beyond belief this year. Isn't it just plain common sense that riders would want the best components their teams can get them? And that includes tyres. Even without the need for a single tyre ruling, given the choice ALL the riders would be on bridgestone if bridgestone would have them. And that is the issue. Bridgestone won't have them.
i totally agree with you bikergirl,i just dont see what all the fuss is about but i suppose i am "a rossi fan" so must be blinkered .
i didnt buy into this dorna blackmail crap. i think its just tosser jurno's fantasizing. nothing has been said officialy . non of these reporters say where they got there info from but people here buy straight into it because its what they want to hear. then they really make a mountain out of a mole hill and claim allsorts of bizzare things. im glad Ezpeleta has come out and rubbished these claims.
congrats on marcos result today by the way.
I saw Ezpeleta interviewed today. He denied over and over that he blackmailed bridgestone with the single tyre rule change, even though the guy interviewing him was like a dog with a bone about it.
I don't understand all the fuss.
At the end of last season, Marco Melandri switched to bridgestone because he'd had a hard season with his Michelins and he thought bridgestone would give him better support where Honda weren't. Of course at the time he already knew he'd be going to DUcati and hence bridgestones as of next season so maybe he just wanted to start getting used to them. However isn't it also a possibility he just wanted to give himself the best fighting chance? I saw a fair few people on here thinking he was commiting suicide but nobody was crying foul. Nobody thought he was suddenly TAKING anything from anybody else. And in fact he didn't. What kind of reasoning is that?
Rossi wants to switch to bridgestones after 2 dismal seasons with Michelins and suddenly the world is up in arms. It's all this huge consipiracy. Dorna is in on it. The rest of the grid is being screwed out of their 'rights' to compete. WTF??!?!?! If Rossi wanted to change his shocks suppliers nobody would bat an eyelid. What is wrong with people? Michelin have been screwing up. ANd not just this season. Am i the only person who remembers Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin falling apart in China in 06 to the extent that he could not finish the race? And that was not the only time his Michelins played up that season. This season is not even worth talking about.
This has all been blown out of proportion by the single tyre ruling threat. So Rossi wants to switch brands and that equals a single tyre ruling? How does that work? The truth is that Michelin have screwed all their riders over this year and none of the riders want to stay on them because they're just not getting their act together. Bridgestone are already the major suppliers on the grid. They've improved beyond belief this year. Isn't it just plain common sense that riders would want the best components their teams can get them? And that includes tyres. Even without the need for a single tyre ruling, given the choice ALL the riders would be on bridgestone if bridgestone would have them. And that is the issue. Bridgestone won't have them.
i totally agree with you bikergirl,i just dont see what all the fuss is about but i suppose i am "a rossi fan" so must be blinkered .
i didnt buy into this dorna blackmail crap. i think its just tosser jurno's fantasizing. nothing has been said officialy . non of these reporters say where they got there info from but people here buy straight into it because its what they want to hear. then they really make a mountain out of a mole hill and claim allsorts of bizzare things. im glad Ezpeleta has come out and rubbished these claims.
congrats on marcos result today by the way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 22 2007, 12:02 AM) [snapback]96489[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i totally agree with you bikergirl,i just dont see what all the fuss is about but i suppose i am "a rossi fan" so must be blinkered .
i didnt buy into this dorna blackmail crap. i think its just tosser jurno's fantasizing. nothing has been said officialy . non of these reporters say where they got there info from but people here buy straight into it because its what they want to hear. then they really make a mountain out of a mole hill and claim allsorts of bizzare things. im glad Ezpeleta has come out and rubbished these claims.
congrats on marcos result today by the way.
That one should be loyal to a tyre is a concept which perplexes me. I can understand people getting emotional about a brand of bike or car, but tyres just don't do it for me. As bikergirl said, is he honour bound to stay with the brand of shocks, or for that matter helmet , gloves or underwear he used in his championship years? You are actually allowed to change even the make of bike you ride when your contract expires, as he has done previously and many are doing this year.
i totally agree with you bikergirl,i just dont see what all the fuss is about but i suppose i am "a rossi fan" so must be blinkered .
i didnt buy into this dorna blackmail crap. i think its just tosser jurno's fantasizing. nothing has been said officialy . non of these reporters say where they got there info from but people here buy straight into it because its what they want to hear. then they really make a mountain out of a mole hill and claim allsorts of bizzare things. im glad Ezpeleta has come out and rubbished these claims.
congrats on marcos result today by the way.
That one should be loyal to a tyre is a concept which perplexes me. I can understand people getting emotional about a brand of bike or car, but tyres just don't do it for me. As bikergirl said, is he honour bound to stay with the brand of shocks, or for that matter helmet , gloves or underwear he used in his championship years? You are actually allowed to change even the make of bike you ride when your contract expires, as he has done previously and many are doing this year.
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Norah Head
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 22 2007, 10:39 AM) [snapback]96492[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That one should be loyal to a tyre is a concept which perplexes me.
Ditto ...... but I think its just another straw ..... being clutched at as an excuse for lessening performance.
That one should be loyal to a tyre is a concept which perplexes me.
Ditto ...... but I think its just another straw ..... being clutched at as an excuse for lessening performance.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I saw Ezpeleta interviewed today. He denied over and over that he blackmailed bridgestone with the single tyre rule change, even though the guy interviewing him was like a dog with a bone about it.
Well, blackmail is a pretty strong word. Of course he is going to deny that. Particularly given the shady past that Dorna has!
And if the journalist in question was at the press conference where "Yamada Hiroshi, Motosport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists that Ezpeleta [had] pressured Bridgestone to supply Rossi with tyres next year or there would be a control tyre in 2008" then of course he's going to press him hard about it. Yamada has had plenty of time to issue a statement denying he made those comments; so far, there's been no such denial. In my opinion, Ezpeleta probably did pressure Bridgestone to give Rossi tyres--he certainly admits to raising the topic--but we will never know if he directly, or even indirectly, linked it with the single tyre change rule.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't understand all the fuss.
Seriously?
The issue is not that Rossi wants to switch tyres. As you quite rightly point out, probably every Michelin/Dunlop rider would like to be on Bridgestones. The issue is that Bridgestone said, on many occasions this year, that they could not/did not want to supply any more than the current number of bikes. [In the back of my mind I always wondered if that meant that Pramac Ducati, Kawasaki or Suzuki or even Gresini Honda might get shafted in favour of Repsol Honda and/or Fiat Yamaha for 2008; apparently not.] In September, Brivio declared that Fiat Yamaha would be on Michelin next year, and that seemed to be the end of that.
Then Ezpeleta drops his one trye proposal bombshell at Motegi--sorry, opens discussion as Devil's advocate--giving the tyre manufacturers until the 20th of October to come up with a response. Rossi was enthusiastically in favour of this (quite understandably). At Philip Island Ezpeleta says that Michelin will bid 'whatever it takes' should MotoGP go to a control tyre. Rossi says he wants Bridgestones. Capirossi says it's a done deal. The October 20 meeting is delayed...
It's not hard to see why the conspiracy theorists are foaming at the mouth. Personally, I don't know what to think. Maybe the two issues aren't linked, but Rossi getting Bridgestones has transpired under highly irregular circumstances.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi wants to switch to bridgestones after 2 dismal seasons with Michelins
2 dismal seasons? He finished runner up in the world championship on both occasions. Certiainly, this year was not as close as 2006, but to call it dismal...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Am i the only person who remembers Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin falling apart in China in 06 to the extent that he could not finish the race?
No, I remember Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin tyre falling apart, too. It sucked to be Rossi that day. But when you get 'specially made' tyres in a cutting edge sport, sometimes what goes around comes around. If Biaggi, Gibernau, and, your boy, Melandri are to be believed there have been plenty of days when it sucked to be not Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And that was not the only time his Michelins played up that season. This season is not even worth talking about.
Ah yes, thay's right, they caused the crash in Valencia, too. And melted at Laguna, causing his bike to blow up. And Toni Elias, too. All Michelin's fault.
Indeed, let's not talk about this year. Let's not talk about Qatar, Jerez, Le Mans (nothing wrong with Michelins that day; water wings Pedrosa got fourth; Hayden had it until he went swimming), Mugello, Catalunya, Donington (Edwards was second), Assen, Sacshenring (missed opportunity there!), Estoril and Sepang. That's ten rounds where the Michelins were equally competitive, and, on occasion, superior. Indeed, this year has been a complete disaster; I can see why you would throw the baby out with the bath water.
It's all a matter of perspective, I guess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This has all been blown out of proportion by the single tyre ruling threat. So Rossi wants to switch brands and that equals a single tyre ruling?
When the rider with the highest profile in the sport wants to change tyres, after a highly successful eight year relationship with one manufacturer, it's news. When his new tyre manufacturer has stated that they can't/won't accept any more riders, but the highest profile guy gets them anyway, it news. When it comes in the midst of the sport's controlling body talking about control tyres with accusations of pressuring, veiled media threats et al, it's a shitstorm.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The truth is that Michelin have screwed all their riders over this year
You mean what Michelin has done this year was deliberate? The truth is that Michelin got caught with their pants down because of the switch to the 800s. Their R & D culture had become reliant on quick fixes before race day, and the new trye rules also shot that to hell, as well. That they have still managed decent results this season, bodes well for the future, in my opinion. Yes, I said decent. Not spectacular, not dominating--but decent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ALL the riders would be on bridgestone if bridgestone would have them. And that is the issue. Bridgestone won't have them.
Well, it took the whole post, but we do agree on something!
Of course, when you say Bridestone won't have them, you mean, except for Rossi. That equals special treatment in my book, and I suspect that's really what rubs all the so-called 'Rossi haters' the wrong way...
Also, sorry if I got a bit sarcastic there; it's a character flaw.
I saw Ezpeleta interviewed today. He denied over and over that he blackmailed bridgestone with the single tyre rule change, even though the guy interviewing him was like a dog with a bone about it.
Well, blackmail is a pretty strong word. Of course he is going to deny that. Particularly given the shady past that Dorna has!
And if the journalist in question was at the press conference where "Yamada Hiroshi, Motosport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists that Ezpeleta [had] pressured Bridgestone to supply Rossi with tyres next year or there would be a control tyre in 2008" then of course he's going to press him hard about it. Yamada has had plenty of time to issue a statement denying he made those comments; so far, there's been no such denial. In my opinion, Ezpeleta probably did pressure Bridgestone to give Rossi tyres--he certainly admits to raising the topic--but we will never know if he directly, or even indirectly, linked it with the single tyre change rule.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I don't understand all the fuss.
Seriously?
The issue is not that Rossi wants to switch tyres. As you quite rightly point out, probably every Michelin/Dunlop rider would like to be on Bridgestones. The issue is that Bridgestone said, on many occasions this year, that they could not/did not want to supply any more than the current number of bikes. [In the back of my mind I always wondered if that meant that Pramac Ducati, Kawasaki or Suzuki or even Gresini Honda might get shafted in favour of Repsol Honda and/or Fiat Yamaha for 2008; apparently not.] In September, Brivio declared that Fiat Yamaha would be on Michelin next year, and that seemed to be the end of that.
Then Ezpeleta drops his one trye proposal bombshell at Motegi--sorry, opens discussion as Devil's advocate--giving the tyre manufacturers until the 20th of October to come up with a response. Rossi was enthusiastically in favour of this (quite understandably). At Philip Island Ezpeleta says that Michelin will bid 'whatever it takes' should MotoGP go to a control tyre. Rossi says he wants Bridgestones. Capirossi says it's a done deal. The October 20 meeting is delayed...
It's not hard to see why the conspiracy theorists are foaming at the mouth. Personally, I don't know what to think. Maybe the two issues aren't linked, but Rossi getting Bridgestones has transpired under highly irregular circumstances.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Rossi wants to switch to bridgestones after 2 dismal seasons with Michelins
2 dismal seasons? He finished runner up in the world championship on both occasions. Certiainly, this year was not as close as 2006, but to call it dismal...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Am i the only person who remembers Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin falling apart in China in 06 to the extent that he could not finish the race?
No, I remember Rossi's 'specially made' Michelin tyre falling apart, too. It sucked to be Rossi that day. But when you get 'specially made' tyres in a cutting edge sport, sometimes what goes around comes around. If Biaggi, Gibernau, and, your boy, Melandri are to be believed there have been plenty of days when it sucked to be not Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And that was not the only time his Michelins played up that season. This season is not even worth talking about.
Ah yes, thay's right, they caused the crash in Valencia, too. And melted at Laguna, causing his bike to blow up. And Toni Elias, too. All Michelin's fault.
Indeed, let's not talk about this year. Let's not talk about Qatar, Jerez, Le Mans (nothing wrong with Michelins that day; water wings Pedrosa got fourth; Hayden had it until he went swimming), Mugello, Catalunya, Donington (Edwards was second), Assen, Sacshenring (missed opportunity there!), Estoril and Sepang. That's ten rounds where the Michelins were equally competitive, and, on occasion, superior. Indeed, this year has been a complete disaster; I can see why you would throw the baby out with the bath water.
It's all a matter of perspective, I guess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This has all been blown out of proportion by the single tyre ruling threat. So Rossi wants to switch brands and that equals a single tyre ruling?
When the rider with the highest profile in the sport wants to change tyres, after a highly successful eight year relationship with one manufacturer, it's news. When his new tyre manufacturer has stated that they can't/won't accept any more riders, but the highest profile guy gets them anyway, it news. When it comes in the midst of the sport's controlling body talking about control tyres with accusations of pressuring, veiled media threats et al, it's a shitstorm.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The truth is that Michelin have screwed all their riders over this year
You mean what Michelin has done this year was deliberate? The truth is that Michelin got caught with their pants down because of the switch to the 800s. Their R & D culture had become reliant on quick fixes before race day, and the new trye rules also shot that to hell, as well. That they have still managed decent results this season, bodes well for the future, in my opinion. Yes, I said decent. Not spectacular, not dominating--but decent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bikergirl @ Oct 22 2007, 02:12 AM) [snapback]96426[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
ALL the riders would be on bridgestone if bridgestone would have them. And that is the issue. Bridgestone won't have them.
Well, it took the whole post, but we do agree on something!
Of course, when you say Bridestone won't have them, you mean, except for Rossi. That equals special treatment in my book, and I suspect that's really what rubs all the so-called 'Rossi haters' the wrong way...
Also, sorry if I got a bit sarcastic there; it's a character flaw.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Oct 22 2007, 01:39 AM) [snapback]96492[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That one should be loyal to a tyre is a concept which perplexes me. I can understand people getting emotional about a brand of bike or car, but tyres just don't do it for me. As bikergirl said, is he honour bound to stay with the brand of shocks, or for that matter helmet , gloves or underwear he used in his championship years? You are actually allowed to change even the make of bike you ride when your contract expires, as he has done previously and many are doing this year.
exactly right mike.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 22 2007, 03:54 AM) [snapback]96501[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ditto ...... but I think its just another straw ..... being clutched at as an excuse for lessening performance.
i cant see how you can say that mate. we have all seen rossis tyre fall apart over the last couple of seasons. sure thats not the only thing thats gone wrong but even so he and any other rider should be able to choose there rubber and any other pruduct.
if you were a runner and you had nike shoes but they hurt your feet you would try another brand would you not ?
That one should be loyal to a tyre is a concept which perplexes me. I can understand people getting emotional about a brand of bike or car, but tyres just don't do it for me. As bikergirl said, is he honour bound to stay with the brand of shocks, or for that matter helmet , gloves or underwear he used in his championship years? You are actually allowed to change even the make of bike you ride when your contract expires, as he has done previously and many are doing this year.
exactly right mike.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Oct 22 2007, 03:54 AM) [snapback]96501[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Ditto ...... but I think its just another straw ..... being clutched at as an excuse for lessening performance.
i cant see how you can say that mate. we have all seen rossis tyre fall apart over the last couple of seasons. sure thats not the only thing thats gone wrong but even so he and any other rider should be able to choose there rubber and any other pruduct.
if you were a runner and you had nike shoes but they hurt your feet you would try another brand would you not ?
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Michelin saying they would pull out if they lost Honda and Yamaha doesn't show much fight.
We all know the riders would want pick the best tyre, thats not their fault if Michelin are not good enough.
Its up to Michelin to be the best then the riders would want their tyres like they did in the past.
Not saying you should be allowed to change tyre manufacturer at any race but you should be allowed to select which manufacturer you want for the season.
Maybe Dorna need to get tyre manufacturers commited to Motogp not team contracts.
We all know the riders would want pick the best tyre, thats not their fault if Michelin are not good enough.
Its up to Michelin to be the best then the riders would want their tyres like they did in the past.
Not saying you should be allowed to change tyre manufacturer at any race but you should be allowed to select which manufacturer you want for the season.
Maybe Dorna need to get tyre manufacturers commited to Motogp not team contracts.
It's a typical french character trait I'm afraid, instead of standing and fighting they just run away.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 23 2007, 02:36 PM) [snapback]96704[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
exactly right mike.
i cant see how you can say that mate. we have all seen rossis tyre fall apart over the last couple of seasons. sure thats not the only thing thats gone wrong but even so he and any other rider should be able to choose there rubber and any other pruduct.
if you were a runner and you had nike shoes but they hurt your feet you would try another brand would you not ?
totally agree with you and to be honest the haters are gettin on my ...., yesterday i watched a story on casey stoner and he said that last season he was having problems because of the michelin tyres and has soon as he rode on bridgestone's he knew that is was the tires, he said the stones were unbelievable and was the answer to his problems also said he was never at ease on michelins........
so if it was the tyres for him why is it not the tyres for rossi????? maybe your just clutching at straws because you dont want the game to be even.
this is what rossi's tire looks like after a race and its been like this about 5+ times this season
exactly right mike.
i cant see how you can say that mate. we have all seen rossis tyre fall apart over the last couple of seasons. sure thats not the only thing thats gone wrong but even so he and any other rider should be able to choose there rubber and any other pruduct.
if you were a runner and you had nike shoes but they hurt your feet you would try another brand would you not ?
totally agree with you and to be honest the haters are gettin on my ...., yesterday i watched a story on casey stoner and he said that last season he was having problems because of the michelin tyres and has soon as he rode on bridgestone's he knew that is was the tires, he said the stones were unbelievable and was the answer to his problems also said he was never at ease on michelins........
so if it was the tyres for him why is it not the tyres for rossi????? maybe your just clutching at straws because you dont want the game to be even.
this is what rossi's tire looks like after a race and its been like this about 5+ times this season
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jazkat @ Oct 23 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]96775[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
totally agree with you and to be honest the haters are gettin on my ...., yesterday i watched a story on casey stoner and he said that last season he was having problems because of the michelin tyres and has soon as he rode on bridgestone's he knew that is was the tires, he said the stones were unbelievable and was the answer to his problems also said he was never at ease on michelins........
so if it was the tyres for him why is it not the tyres for rossi????? maybe your just clutching at straws because you dont want the game to be even.
this is what rossi's tire looks like after a race and its been like this about 5+ times this season
Good picture.. Lets see what the Rossi haters will say about this one.. They always seem to come up with something.
totally agree with you and to be honest the haters are gettin on my ...., yesterday i watched a story on casey stoner and he said that last season he was having problems because of the michelin tyres and has soon as he rode on bridgestone's he knew that is was the tires, he said the stones were unbelievable and was the answer to his problems also said he was never at ease on michelins........
so if it was the tyres for him why is it not the tyres for rossi????? maybe your just clutching at straws because you dont want the game to be even.
this is what rossi's tire looks like after a race and its been like this about 5+ times this season
Good picture.. Lets see what the Rossi haters will say about this one.. They always seem to come up with something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 23 2007, 09:59 PM) [snapback]96777[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Good picture.. Lets see what the Rossi haters will say about this one.. They always seem to come up with something.
....'em all
Good picture.. Lets see what the Rossi haters will say about this one.. They always seem to come up with something.
....'em all
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(esco @ Oct 23 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]96777[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Good picture.. Lets see what the Rossi haters will say about this one.. They always seem to come up with something.
i have 1 or 2 photo's from this season to , i was just looking because the people here said it was excuses so i had a look for myself and the times he said it was the tyres it was, just people dont want to belive that they would rather think he is past his prime and thats just totall bull.
there has been many races where they have shown the rear view cam on the bike and bits of tyres going everywhere, some people here have waited for this for a long time and now they got the chance they are tucking in bigtime, but if they want to use lies and excuses for one mans fall then let them carry on cos they will look stupid when things arent going there way.
Good picture.. Lets see what the Rossi haters will say about this one.. They always seem to come up with something.
i have 1 or 2 photo's from this season to , i was just looking because the people here said it was excuses so i had a look for myself and the times he said it was the tyres it was, just people dont want to belive that they would rather think he is past his prime and thats just totall bull.
there has been many races where they have shown the rear view cam on the bike and bits of tyres going everywhere, some people here have waited for this for a long time and now they got the chance they are tucking in bigtime, but if they want to use lies and excuses for one mans fall then let them carry on cos they will look stupid when things arent going there way.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(alex29 @ Oct 21 2007, 11:29 AM) [snapback]96347[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/41141/
Interesting....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Hiroishi Yamaha, Motorsport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists in Sepang, Malaysia, that Ezpeleta pressured him on Saturday to either supply Bridgestone tires to Valentino Rossi or he would make good on his threat to impose a single tire system in MotoGP (Michelin intends to bid “whatever it takes” to obtain exclusive rights, Ezpeleta said last week in Australia).The only direct quote is so vague it could relate to anything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Yamada passed this message on to his boss, Hiroshi Yasukawa, the overall competition director of the world’s largest tire manufacturer. It is unlikely that Yasukawa, the man who directed Bridgestone’s Formula 1 efforts prior to the withdrawal of Michelin and the subsequent acquisition of role of sole supplier in F1, has ever received such a frank ultimatum, even from the likes of Bernie Ecclestone.Indulging in speculation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Rossi has waffled all weekend in Sepang, even saying on Thursday that he might stay with Michelin, something that only the most credulous believed. Yesterday he defended his determination to change from Michelin to Bridgestone and implied that it was a mutual decision by both the rider and Yamaha. “Yamaha and I have arrived at an agreement to switch to Bridgestone. I have discussed this directly with my boss, (Masao) Furosawa, and not directly with Bridgestone or Dorna.” Transparent usage of language, quote about how Yamaha would accept changing to Bridgestone edited & taken out of context to appear as if it's a done deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Earlier, in a recent interview, Ezpeleta admitted that both Rossi and Dani Pedrosa had complained of Michelin and said they wanted to change to Bridgestone after the Michelin debacle at Laguna Seca, but the protocol this weekend in Malaysia has been for Rossi to show up saying that the decision would be made by Yamaha and then to have Yamaha make the request.No direct quote, transparent usage of language again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>This is all rather precious and transparent diplomacy, but the facts are simple and Dorna’s reasons for putting pressure on Bridgestone are clear. Without Rossi running at the front, TV audiences are down all over the world. Rossi wants Bridgestone and the last time Rossi didn’t get what he wanted, he left Honda and then won back-to-back titles from them on a Yamaha.Ironic, transparent usage of language again. Indulges in speculation again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Valentino is bound by contract to Yamaha and could not jump ship, even if there were a ship to jump to (the only rides available are on satellite teams), but when he was asked what he would do if Yamaha did not obtain Bridgestone for him, he hesitated and said, “I’d have to think it over.” Italian journalists interpreted that as a threat to quit, and the Italian journalists have been right about the details of this complicated three-way (Dorna-Yamaha-Bridgestone) negotiation from the beginning.Transparent use of language & attributting speculation to Italian journalists.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Rossi is ninth on the grid.
Holy Jesus, a fact!!
You really have to <u>read</u> this stuff don't ya
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/41141/
Interesting....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Hiroishi Yamaha, Motorsport Manager for Bridgestone, told Italian journalists in Sepang, Malaysia, that Ezpeleta pressured him on Saturday to either supply Bridgestone tires to Valentino Rossi or he would make good on his threat to impose a single tire system in MotoGP (Michelin intends to bid “whatever it takes” to obtain exclusive rights, Ezpeleta said last week in Australia).The only direct quote is so vague it could relate to anything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Yamada passed this message on to his boss, Hiroshi Yasukawa, the overall competition director of the world’s largest tire manufacturer. It is unlikely that Yasukawa, the man who directed Bridgestone’s Formula 1 efforts prior to the withdrawal of Michelin and the subsequent acquisition of role of sole supplier in F1, has ever received such a frank ultimatum, even from the likes of Bernie Ecclestone.Indulging in speculation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Rossi has waffled all weekend in Sepang, even saying on Thursday that he might stay with Michelin, something that only the most credulous believed. Yesterday he defended his determination to change from Michelin to Bridgestone and implied that it was a mutual decision by both the rider and Yamaha. “Yamaha and I have arrived at an agreement to switch to Bridgestone. I have discussed this directly with my boss, (Masao) Furosawa, and not directly with Bridgestone or Dorna.” Transparent usage of language, quote about how Yamaha would accept changing to Bridgestone edited & taken out of context to appear as if it's a done deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Earlier, in a recent interview, Ezpeleta admitted that both Rossi and Dani Pedrosa had complained of Michelin and said they wanted to change to Bridgestone after the Michelin debacle at Laguna Seca, but the protocol this weekend in Malaysia has been for Rossi to show up saying that the decision would be made by Yamaha and then to have Yamaha make the request.No direct quote, transparent usage of language again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>This is all rather precious and transparent diplomacy, but the facts are simple and Dorna’s reasons for putting pressure on Bridgestone are clear. Without Rossi running at the front, TV audiences are down all over the world. Rossi wants Bridgestone and the last time Rossi didn’t get what he wanted, he left Honda and then won back-to-back titles from them on a Yamaha.Ironic, transparent usage of language again. Indulges in speculation again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Valentino is bound by contract to Yamaha and could not jump ship, even if there were a ship to jump to (the only rides available are on satellite teams), but when he was asked what he would do if Yamaha did not obtain Bridgestone for him, he hesitated and said, “I’d have to think it over.” Italian journalists interpreted that as a threat to quit, and the Italian journalists have been right about the details of this complicated three-way (Dorna-Yamaha-Bridgestone) negotiation from the beginning.Transparent use of language & attributting speculation to Italian journalists.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>Rossi is ninth on the grid.
Holy Jesus, a fact!!
You really have to <u>read</u> this stuff don't ya
I've lost respect for Dorna and ma llosing respect for Rossi. It will be really embarassing for him if he gets on Stones and does not win the championship. Can you imaging is Lorenzo beats him on Michelin? However, I have an inkling that the Stones are as good as they seem to Rossi.
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