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Best riders/best bike - Suppo's view

Keshav said:
Absolutely. "Crazy ideas", inspired madness etc (like Rossi's preference for slowest of the cross-plane engines at the initial test)

probably factor in with the birth of ground-breaking, out-of-the-box changes more than anyone realizes. It is difficult at best

to break free of the morass of group-think. It's a rare instance when an entire committee of problem solvers has a blinding

flash of insight - simultaneously.



For instance you'll never hear a group of boppers unanimously admit that Rossi

has ever erred.
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Or a group of hater unanimously admit that Rossi deserves his success, after all.
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Tom said:
why do you think that? Also, why do you hate to say it?
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cause he's a rossi fan and i guess saying the yamaha wasn't the best bike a.) is a dent in the myth that rossi always develops the best bike and b.) it adds even more value to lorenzos title,blasphemy among rossi fans
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Keshav said:
Absolutely. "Crazy ideas", inspired madness etc (like Rossi's preference for slowest of the cross-plane engines at the initial test)

probably factor in with the birth of ground-breaking, out-of-the-box changes more than anyone realizes. It is difficult at best

to break free of the morass of group-think. It's a rare instance when an entire committee of problem solvers has a blinding

flash of insight - simultaneously.



For instance you'll never hear a group of boppers unanimously admit that Rossi

has ever erred.
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That's true about many/some fans of every rider.

have you ever admited that Hayden sucks? i dont remember to reed that from you



The difference is that we (Rossi fans) have a lot of wins/golry moments to be blind by.

What makes you blind to follow a loser in motogp? If i have to choose between bopper and loser/hater, i choose the first. and i know you and some prefer the second. (at least as long as that winner is Rossi)
 
rossiofsky said:
That's true about many/some fans of every rider.

have you ever admited that Hayden sucks? i dont remember to reed that from you



The difference is that we (Rossi fans) have a lot of wins/golry moments to be blind by.

What makes you blind to follow a loser in motogp? If i have to choose between bopper and loser/hater, i choose the first. and i know you and some prefer the second. (at least as long as that winner is Rossi)
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I would guess that about 85/ 90% of Rossi fans, are Rossi fans for that reason. People, especially losers, love to associate themselves with winners. It somehow makes them feel a little less irrelevant, and some can even hang their hat on the fact that they ride the same brand. Proof of this is the fact that Matt Mladin had a huge following, despite the fact that he was a caustic prick to fans and competitors alike
 
povol said:
I would guess that about 85/ 90% of Rossi fans, are Rossi fans for that reason. People, especially losers, love to associate themselves with winners. It somehow makes them feel a little less irrelevant, and some can even hang their hat on the fact that they ride the same brand. Proof of this is the fact that Matt Mladin had a huge following, despite the fact that he was a caustic prick to fans and competitors alike
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Yet those who have problems with that is you hater's, not us losers. So people who want to be Winners should support the losers in a sport. that's a nice analyse.
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I should start supporting one that sucks and never wins, only then i can be sure i,m a winner and a Real fan. We poor losers only can enjoy the games of the bests, like Jordan, Sampras/Federer, michael Johnson, Rossi, Schumacher,..., not because they are good and great in what they do, but because they suddenly became a lucky winner, and since we (losers) ourselves are not great in anything, we support these people to feel better and forget about killing ourselves.

I said this a few times before, one has to be sadomassochist to follow motogp while hating Rossi and his fans (at least those who cant ignore us and find themselves a saint).



you continue following mother teresa and we follow a loser sinner, every body follows racing for something, one for racing and winning, the other for finding a good guy/saint . the point is that you guys also Never dare to criticise your own favorites, but you do have a great mouth and a lot of courage to even criticise other riders fans.



Did we forget what happened when Rossi overtook Hayden in last lap of last gp, I remember some of you Winners were mad at Rossi and acused him of agressive/fault play. So if you are indeed winners , then take it like a winner when it comes to losing. Or was it really an unfair move?



btw, weren't you guys also the REAL fans a while ago?
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povol said:
I would guess that about 85/ 90% of Rossi fans, are Rossi fans for that reason. People, especially losers, love to associate themselves with winners. It somehow makes them feel a little less irrelevant, and some can even hang their hat on the fact that they ride the same brand. Proof of this is the fact that Matt Mladin had a huge following, despite the fact that he was a caustic prick to fans and competitors alike
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Do you realise how incredibly self-satisfied & arrogant that makes you sound? What gives you the right to dismiss other people's enjoyment of the sport on whatever level?



Rather a blind fan than a .... wiith false superiority complex, the only riders you follow are the ones that come from your own country. How does that make you any different? I would call that a narrow view.
 
Goatboy said:
Do you realise how incredibly self-satisfied & arrogant that makes you sound? What gives you the right to dismiss other people's enjoyment of the sport on whatever level?



Rather a blind fan than a .... wiith false superiority complex, the only riders you follow are the ones that come from your own country. How does that make you any different? I would call that a narrow view.
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Ask yourself a question, if Rossi had won 4 races in his career, would he have the fan base he has. The answer is no. Motorsports is full of bandwagon fans. My favorite riders are, and will always be my countrymen, unless they start acting like circus clowns. Some people like the circus clown antics, i dont, and will not be a fan of someone just because they win.My second favorite riders are either Aussie or Japanese, winning with class is as important as winning to me.
 
povol said:
Ask yourself a question, if Rossi had won 4 races in his career, would he have the fan base he has. The answer is no. Motorsports is full of bandwagon fans. My favorite riders are, and will always be my countrymen, unless they start acting like circus clowns. Some people like the circus clown antics, i dont, and will not be a fan of someone just because they win.My second favorite riders are either Aussie or Japanese, winning with class is as important as winning to me.
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Think yourself lucky! Us brits might get someone to follow every other year.

Yeah we got boys in 125 & moto2 but not always in Motogp.

Winning with class!??????

Winning isnt everything! But loseing is .... all!
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povol said:
Ask yourself a question, if Rossi had won 4 races in his career, would he have the fan base he has. The answer is no. Motorsports is full of bandwagon fans. My favorite riders are, and will always be my countrymen, unless they start acting like circus clowns. Some people like the circus clown antics, i dont, and will not be a fan of someone just because they win.My second favorite riders are either Aussie or Japanese, winning with class is as important as winning to me.
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Which of course doesn't give you the right to criticize or rather stupidly assume to know the reason why others support who they do
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You are entitled to support who you want based on your own reasons, that doesn't make you a loser for supporting the riders who have far less success than others.



I don't support or even have a small liking for Stoner, although I certainly respect his abilities, and he is my fellow countryman and one of the most successful Australians in motogp ever. That being said, Miladin is the only other Aussie on the world scene recently who I don't really like either. So they are both very successful, talented motorcycle racers, yet I don't like them as they are pricks......your theory doesn't hold any validity for someone like me and just as you don't like circus clown antics which seriously influences your attitude to some riders, I don't like pricks which seriously influences mine.



The point is, assuming the psychology of another s preference towards a particular team, driver, rider etc. especially considering your very narrow-minded approach to who you will or will not support is more than a little silly.
 
Talpa said:
Which of course doesn't give you the right to criticize or rather stupidly assume to know the reason why others support who they do
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You are entitled to support who you want based on your own reasons, that doesn't make you a loser for supporting the riders who have far less success than others.



I don't support or even have a small liking for Stoner, although I certainly respect his abilities, and he is my fellow countryman and one of the most successful Australians in motogp ever. That being said, Miladin is the only other Aussie on the world scene recently who I don't really like either. So they are both very successful, talented motorcycle racers, yet I don't like them as they are pricks......your theory doesn't hold any validity for someone like me and just as you don't like circus clown antics which seriously influences your attitude to some riders, I don't like pricks which seriously influences mine.



The point is, assuming the psychology of another s preference towards a particular team, driver, rider etc. especially considering your very narrow-minded approach to who you will or will not support is more than a little silly.
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This is an old argument. I have no problem with anyone being a fan of rossi, or of anyone else. Being a fan is fundamentally illogical in any case, which doesn't mean I am not one or that anyone else should not be, and I agree that being a fan of a rider with minority support does not confer any moral superiority. Being a fan of the rider with the most support or even the of the rider with the most success does not confer moral authority either though
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, an assumption which more than a few rossi fans not uncommonly seem to make.
 
michaelm said:
an assumption which more than a few rossi fans not uncommonly seem to make.
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See all of my previous comments regarding escalation. & Can you wonder at it when in conversation with people who will say anything at all, whether they believe it or not, just to get a rise out of those they deem inferior.



Perhaps we should wear yellow stars, to go with the yellow sun & moon?



Laufen macht frei, Mel Gibson fans.
 
povol said:
I would guess that about 85/ 90% of Rossi fans, are Rossi fans for that reason. People, especially losers, love to associate themselves with winners. It somehow makes them feel a little less irrelevant, and some can even hang their hat on the fact that they ride the same brand. Proof of this is the fact that Matt Mladin had a huge following, despite the fact that he was a caustic prick to fans and competitors alike
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Exactly..............
 
This talk is ......... It's completely natural to admire someone who is dominating the sport. Of course many people are fans of Rossi because he's won a shitload of races. That means he's good.



Apparently some of you guys believe that you are only a true fan if you were a fan before the success, that's ....... stupid. It's the same like those music elitists who go "you're not tr00 fan because you weren't listening to them back when they only had a demo out".



I'm sorry, but I personally become a fan of a rider when I see him ride well. There are exceptions though as some riders may piss me off with their ........ attitude and comments that they make me dislike them. Doesn't mean that I can't say "wow, that's pretty good" when they do a great race, but that won't make me like them if they act like ......... Similiarly (now that I brought up the music comparison) there are artists who are idiots, but I can still enjoy some songs by them... While, to be an actual fan, I have to actually sort of agree with the statements they make AND like the music.
 
I don't like your ....... face, I don't like your ....... attitude, and I don't like you............ You understand me Lebowski??
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#22 said:
I don't like your ....... face, I don't like your ....... attitude, and I don't like you............ You understand me Lebowski??
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"This is what happens when you .... a stranger in the ...!"
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