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Barry Machine in doubt for the next three races

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Bunyip said:
I always knew there wasn,t something quite right with you Michael, but couldn,t quite put my finger on it until now! hahaha ( can,t see emoticons any more- i think Barry has stolen them!))



The thing is, that unlike most of you , I have had both, so can be objective.



First a 98 wrx ( well long after a turbo Cordia 110kw, and Lancer gsr 147kw) I found to be a great car, best handling i had experienced and impressive acceleration for a budget performance car. When the 2000 4 dr sti first was available in Australia, I bought it. Gunmetal grey with gold wheels......it was a stunner. Not a huge step up from the wrx though, or not the degree of improvement I expected. I had never modified a car before, but had it "chipped". Dyno showed a modest boost from 130 to 150 kw at wheels, but a big improvement in mid range torque. Subaru claimed 206 kw, so only 130 kw at wheels was a bit poor I thought. In 2006, finally evos were sold in Australia at a reasonable price. I bought an Evo 9. It shocked me. It made the sti feel like it had sloppy handling and made significantly more hp......around 160kw at wheels.The sti with chipping still had a stronger midrange, so I had to modify the evo. Full exhaust, bigger fuel pump, remapping........hello, 210kw at wheels, and power everywhere. The power band would start from below 2500rpm and continue till redline 7500rpm. The sti, in comparison had a relatively narrow powerband ( 3200 to around 6000rpm). I had 3 years of bliss, but it was too fast( from a licence-keeping point of view), so unfortunately it went.Every day to work I would put my foot down , just to feel that insane thrust of acceleration, and I would throw it into roundabouts at seemingly impossible speeds, and rip through them. I still miss it.

I know later sti,s had more power and better handling, but ALL the reviews in the past 3 years or so, say the sti still lacks the evo,s handling, corner grip and all-round ability. They are also much uglier. In fact all Subarus have become steadily uglier. The first gen wrx/ sti is fondly looked back to as attractive by comparison. The new liberty/ legacy/ outback has become a bloated, bland coach built with fat americans in mind, the imprezzas are ordinary.Only the new BRZ, built with Toyota seems to be a good car.



Current evos and stis lack power in stock form to compete with updated m3s and porsches, but with modest modifications can be seriously fast cars. However the evo with modest upgrades can attain gtr and gt2 performance for a fraction of the cost. The sti can never attain this level,......it fundamentally lacks the handling abilities of the evo. You don,t need to take my word for it, an internet search will reveal all.



Try this...........



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmzq0LvWyo[/media]
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Yes, I have actually bought a toyota 86, which is the same car as the subaru brz as you know. I actually prefer the look of the toyota. Agree the latter day subaru wrxs are ugly, mainly the front which is what I don't like on the brz, not that I could have got one anyway. The classic WRXs and STis were fine looking cars though.



You obviously have an informed perspective having owned both vehicles, while I have owned neither (a good friend had a wrx), but everything I have read about the cars in factory spec is in agreement with what you say anyway. What I have read also concurs with what roger says though in that the subarus are screwed together a little better, and some say that the base lancer which shows through the awesome technology on an evo is somewhat low-rent.



I am a rear wheel drive man myself in any case. I had one of the mazda 6 mps turbos for a year, which was a very capable car and faster than the XU1s and RT chargers my friends had in my youth, or the GTHO falcons they didn't have for that matter, but found it curiously unengaging to drive. I had one of the alan horsley fettled australian mazda mx5 sp turbos which was a blast, despite the turbo whoosh and the occasional petrol fumes. I also had one of the (australian) capri turbos when they were current, but have philosophical objections to front wheel drive turbos, although the cordia you and another mate of mine had were good for their time.
 
Bunyip said:
...well long after a turbo Cordia
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One of them?



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Had one - it was .....
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Had a number of Misty's... found them to be fragile. F.A.F. when new, but after my regular abuse, they break.



On my 5th Subaru in 25 years (not exclusively), they are still reliable and in good nick after hundreds of thousands of k's, if you look after them. Great build quality, expensive parts.
 
chopperman said:
Your no friend of mine . You are a douch bag imo. You declared war on me with your bully pm's so don't try take the moral high ground now. I told you i neither like you nor want to participate in debate with you. You chose to continue regardless of me ignoring you. You throw a stone, i will throw a boulder ........ Now .... off before i make good of my threat.
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Oooh... I'm not your friend. Okay. Just for the record did you decide I was not your friend before you stabbed me in the back or after?
 
Can you sticky this thread please Ben? Noobs should have to read it before they can post here, so they know what's up.
 
chopperman said:
Your no friend of mine . You are a douch bag imo. You declared war on me with your bully pm's so don't try take the moral high ground now. I told you i neither like you nor want to participate in debate with you. You chose to continue regardless of me ignoring you. You throw a stone, i will throw a boulder ........ Now .... off before i make good of my threat.
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Aw, poor Rog seems to have got his nose bloodied. Did you really get your ... kicked by some scrawny old man from Noo Yawk?
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And now HE's the 'bully??'
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Sweet Jesus, .... me to death with an atomic bomb! I've now heard everything and can die happy.



Damn, I just love it when the Karmic Chicken comes home to roost.
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Keshav said:
Oooh... I'm not your friend. Okay. Just for the record did you decide I was not your friend before you stabbed me in the back or after?
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When you brought my kids into the row. Not many fathers would give someone the time of day after that.
 
Bunyip said:
I always knew there wasn,t something quite right with you Michael, but couldn,t quite put my finger on it until now! hahaha ( can,t see emoticons any more- i think Barry has stolen them!))



The thing is, that unlike most of you , I have had both, so can be objective.



First a 98 wrx ( well long after a turbo Cordia 110kw, and Lancer gsr 147kw) I found to be a great car, best handling i had experienced and impressive acceleration for a budget performance car. When the 2000 4 dr sti first was available in Australia, I bought it. Gunmetal grey with gold wheels......it was a stunner. Not a huge step up from the wrx though, or not the degree of improvement I expected. I had never modified a car before, but had it "chipped". Dyno showed a modest boost from 130 to 150 kw at wheels, but a big improvement in mid range torque. Subaru claimed 206 kw, so only 130 kw at wheels was a bit poor I thought. In 2006, finally evos were sold in Australia at a reasonable price. I bought an Evo 9. It shocked me. It made the sti feel like it had sloppy handling and made significantly more hp......around 160kw at wheels.The sti with chipping still had a stronger midrange, so I had to modify the evo. Full exhaust, bigger fuel pump, remapping........hello, 210kw at wheels, and power everywhere. The power band would start from below 2500rpm and continue till redline 7500rpm. The sti, in comparison had a relatively narrow powerband ( 3200 to around 6000rpm). I had 3 years of bliss, but it was too fast( from a licence-keeping point of view), so unfortunately it went.Every day to work I would put my foot down , just to feel that insane thrust of acceleration, and I would throw it into roundabouts at seemingly impossible speeds, and rip through them. I still miss it.

I know later sti,s had more power and better handling, but ALL the reviews in the past 3 years or so, say the sti still lacks the evo,s handling, corner grip and all-round ability. They are also much uglier. In fact all Subarus have become steadily uglier. The first gen wrx/ sti is fondly looked back to as attractive by comparison. The new liberty/ legacy/ outback has become a bloated, bland coach built with fat americans in mind, the imprezzas are ordinary.Only the new BRZ, built with Toyota seems to be a good car.



Current evos and stis lack power in stock form to compete with updated m3s and porsches, but with modest modifications can be seriously fast cars. However the evo with modest upgrades can attain gtr and gt2 performance for a fraction of the cost. The sti can never attain this level,......it fundamentally lacks the handling abilities of the evo. You don,t need to take my word for it, an internet search will reveal all.



Try this...........



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmzq0LvWyo[/media]
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So you compare a wrx 98 and a 2000 sti with a 2007 evo 9 hahaha. Try comparing your evo 9 to my car. after all there the same age.



Michaelm. I quite like the look of the BRZ or GT86 just a shame its not awd or turbo'ed. I'm sure future models will be.
 
chopperman said:
Michaelm. I quite like the look of the BRZ or GT86 just a shame its not awd or turbo'ed. I'm sure future models will be.
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I am sure they will be, there is plenty of room; there was a report in the most recent edition of one of the mainstream car mags that somebody has already done it to one in Australia, that it required little in the way of engine mods and that the chassis was up to it. I haven't got mine yet but the test vehicle felt really well balanced and the lexus based gear box was nice.



Having been a revhead with high powered cars all my life I am finally a bit over them doubtless due to encroaching old age; given your passion I suspect you will never reach that stage. As I have said I quickly got bored with the mazda 6 mps turbo I had even though the thing did high 13s in showroom trim and went back to an ordinary mx5 which I found to be more fun, although I was waiting for the rumoured high power version which has never eventuated.
 
First and only car I ever bought brand new off the lot... 1986 Toyota Corolla SR5 GT-S twin cam, 16 valve 1.6.



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chopperman said:
When you brought my kids into the row. Not many fathers would give someone the time of day after that.
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Anything I said about your parenting skills and the results thereof was:



A. Said privately between us in a PM

and

B. Said in anger after you tried to subject me to ridicule on the forum.

What I said to in private was not because of the photo - it was because I'd treated you like a chum and you tried

for no reason at all to stab me in the back for the sake of a cheap laugh. The expression "With friends like you

- who needs enemies?" was invented for guys like you.



Nuff said.
 
Keshav said:
Anything I said about your parenting skills and the results thereof was:



A. Said privately between us in a PM

and

B. Said in anger after you tried to subject me to ridicule on the forum.

What I said to in private was not because of the photo - it was because I'd treated you like a chum and you tried

for no reason at all to stab me in the back for the sake of a cheap laugh. The expression "With friends like you

- who needs enemies?" was invented for guys like you.



Nuff said.
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Remember, the comments about my family were made after i apologised to you and removed said picture. You had no right what so ever to bring my family into the row. You did that purely as revenge and showed me what a piece of .... bloke you are. You proved to me that you are not the type of person i want to be acquainted too.

You know nothing of me or my children yet felt free to insult me as a parent and mock my children. Well many members here know my children and have nothing but good comments about them and my wife and I as parents.

So now you see why i take exception to you 'the biggest ...... bag i've ever met' taking the moral high ground with members having a pop at BM in this thread.

You want to go to war with me Kesh ? I will ....... destroy you ! My advice to you is, go about your business and stay the .... out of my way.
 
Do you, really?



I am thinking fat, ugly family... goes with the fat, ugly words coming from his keyboard.
 
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