He came off the easiest bike to ride on the grid, had a few mechanical issues and jumped ship prematurely. Then he got on the Honda and quickly said it was harder to ride than the Ducati but you could be faster. Marquez and Pedrosa for years have asked Honda to make a bike that's easier to ride. He's not the best rider but his opinion on GP bikes certainly holds more weight than ours.
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He came off the easiest bike to ride on the grid, had a few mechanical issues and jumped ship prematurely. Then he got on the Honda and quickly said it was harder to ride than the Ducati but you could be faster. Marquez and Pedrosa for years have asked Honda to make a bike that's easier to ride. He's not the best rider but his opinion on GP bikes certainly holds more weight than ours.
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Friend, why do you keep saying his opinion holds more weight then ours regarding GP machines? Of course, that doesn't mean he's right though! He can be absolutely wrong to advise Miller to leave Honda for Ducati. Rossi's opinion was that he would easily win at Ducati. Jeremy Burgess thought Ducatis probably was easily fixable. Their opinion is far more respected than Cuntslow, and those two were spectacularly wrong. Funny too, because some members here predicted Rossi and Burgess were wrong and we turned out to be right.
Marquez and Pedrosa have asked for lots of stuff, that hasn't stopped Marc from wining 3 possibly 4 championships and Pedrosa winning 4 Runners up trophies.
C'mon P, do you believe this: "He [Crutchlow] came off the EASIEST bike [Ducati] to ride on the grid..." THE EASIEST BIKE TO RIDE? Are we talking about the Ducati?
I should add, I dislike Cuntslow because he's an arrogant lying ....... who crashes far too much. The crashing bit is not offensive to me, except I think he's highly dangerous to the safety of others on track. I knew it was just a matter of time before he took someone out, fortunately Lorenzo escaped serious injury, we know it could have been disastrous. But the crashing isn't offensive to me (it's not my .... on the line) however I am repulsed by his insults, arrogance, and assholeness towards others. Basically I don't like his character. It's also fascinating how he gets a pass with the GP media. Oxley practically made Cuntslow out to be a hero for crashing so much. Kropo refused to call Cuntslow out for blaming his torpedo on Lorenzo. And none of them called him out on his chickenshit comments towards Pedrosa. Cal can put in some good performances, but I can't cheer for a guy who isn't modest about it. Calling others whimps when he by sheer luck won the tire gamble. Motegi was hilarious though.
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No the Yamaha that he came off to get on the Ducati was the easiest bike. All I am saying is that he has said the Honda is harder to ride. This isn't the same Ducati that Stoner and Rossi rode. It's by no means perfect but neither is the Honda or the Yamaha. If it's so bad Petrucci couldn't put it on the podium and damn near win on it. Yes riders get it wrong but they haven't ridden the bikes or at least similar versions of the bike they're talking about. Rossi is an arrogant tool, once he lost his advantages was a mortal.
In the Australian broadcast McGee acts exactly the same as Oxley about the crashing. It means he's pushing hard etc in the next sentence McGee will lay the boot into Marquez for crashing so much. I'm not fan of Cal and his two wins involved a tyre gamble and Marquez trying to see if he could win by 10+ seconds at PI but he's still a very solid rider when he stays on who headed into the year with a better record in the GP than any satellite rider but has struggled on the 2017 bike.
The point is though that the Ducati is no longer the dog it once was and is at worst level with the Honda and the Yamaha now as the satellite riders have proven.
Jack was asked in a pre-race aussie telecast about the move, and specifically whether the decision would have been the same were he on a Yamaha satellite or offered a Yamaha satellite. Whilst he did not answer definitively he did say that the Honda is the hardest to ride of the three from his observations as 'only one person can ride it', where the others are more generic.
From memory only he did say that with the Yamaha, if you look at it there are 3 different styles and all are able to get results on the bike where with the Honda only one can really ride it but that the Ducati has Dovi and Petrucci getting results.
From memory only he did say that with the Yamaha, if you look at it there are 3 different styles and all are able to get results on the bike where with the Honda only one can really ride it but that the Ducati has Dovi and Petrucci getting results.
Which is exactly what happened. Revisionists seem to think the 2007 Ducati was ...., .... bikes don't win races let alone championships, just because none of the other riders who rode the GP7 that year did anything doesn't make the bike a dog or Stoner a god. Stoner and crew found the bikes sweet spot and played to the bikes advantages and tyre advantage and by the time the other manufacturers got their act together Stoner and Ducati were close enough to touch the title. People can blather on about how the Yamaha was a better bike which it probably was BUT it had .... tyres on, the following years they put Bridgestones on it and bang, 9 wins, a riders championship and a constructors championship.
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I'm sure Redding is raising an eyebrow about how much easier the Ducati is to ride than the Honda. Afterall he knows. That is the bike Miller inherits, not the equivalent of Petrucci, who btw challenges for wins though if I remember correctly is behind Lorenzo in the championship. It's easy for Petrucci to go all or nothing, just like Ianone used to, it doesn't help contend for championships. Dovi just went all without the nothing, hence I'm in awe of him. And yes Marquez is the class of the field, or has the target on his back, which isn't easy either. But thanks to the Gods of racing Dovi made this a championship to remember after Vinales fizzled out.
Ok I want Miller to do well but in reality I think he will find the Duc is easier to ride only to 15th position. I think he would have been better of on the Honda, he would have been an easy team mate for Marquez to handle ie manipulate. But I guess Cuntslow taking the factory Honda contract meant he had little alternative. Hopefully one day he can get a ride with KTM imo this machine will suit him the most, and he was previously a KTM rider so I hope they remember him.
Ok I want Miller to do well but in reality I think he will find the Duc is easier to ride only to 15th position. I think he would have been better of on the Honda, he would have been an easy team mate for Marquez to handle ie manipulate. But I guess Cuntslow taking the factory Honda contract meant he had little alternative. Hopefully one day he can get a ride with KTM imo this machine will suit him the most, and he was previously a KTM rider so I hope they remember him.
Miller actually gets Petrucci's 2017 bike, not Redding's 2016.
As for Petrucci, as I saw elsewhere if one actually looks at his results they are wet weather results, not dry weather but like other Italians, because he smiles, laughs and occasionally makes a self deprecating comment, people overlook many things
As for Petrucci, as I saw elsewhere if one actually looks at his results they are wet weather results, not dry weather but like other Italians, because he smiles, laughs and occasionally makes a self deprecating comment, people overlook many things
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Please. I have been in paroxysms of agony since I read that post. End my suffering
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Now I wandered off to the 'museum of Australian motorsport history'. Wasnt expecting to see much.
Pic of Mick. Boring. No Rothmans Honda in sight
Turned the corner. Wow. Are these Australian? Who cares hit the jackpot.
Lawsons Cagiva, hell yes.
At this point I have to confess. I'm a Kosinski fan. Whew that was hard to admit. I liked his style on the bike, yes he was a nut off it. Saw him win at Eastern Creek in 93. Now I feel old. Well Im excited when i see this bike.
Was a big fan of Biaggi on the Aprilia as well.
All in the cough, Ozzy museum? Btw it was deserted. Had myself a little fantasy while I was there, namely Eddie just fell down the stairs, he cant do the demo lap.
Hey you.
What me?
Yeah you, you should fit these leathers. Get on the bike and do a lap. But be warned, dont fricken crash it.
Me, crash? Grin.
Pic of Mick. Boring. No Rothmans Honda in sight
Turned the corner. Wow. Are these Australian? Who cares hit the jackpot.
Lawsons Cagiva, hell yes.
At this point I have to confess. I'm a Kosinski fan. Whew that was hard to admit. I liked his style on the bike, yes he was a nut off it. Saw him win at Eastern Creek in 93. Now I feel old. Well Im excited when i see this bike.
Was a big fan of Biaggi on the Aprilia as well.
All in the cough, Ozzy museum? Btw it was deserted. Had myself a little fantasy while I was there, namely Eddie just fell down the stairs, he cant do the demo lap.
Hey you.
What me?
Yeah you, you should fit these leathers. Get on the bike and do a lap. But be warned, dont fricken crash it.
Me, crash? Grin.
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Imagine if Stoner had gone to Yamaha in 2007 and Lorenzo had ended up on the Ducati. Stoner would have destroyed Rossi many times over and Lorenzo would have floundered and eventually ended up as another Spanish back marker.
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More trivia:
that Barros(?)#28 Cagiva...I used to be confused as to why it had MOKE sponsorship. Especially since Mokes stopped being made in the UK in the late 60s (?) and in Oz by the early 80s
Only much later did I learn (from another auto history nerd) that the Australian tooling was shipped to Portugal to continue production and that Cagiva bought the brand and factory in the early 90s. Dunno what happened after that. I suspect the Castiglioni's money troubles killed it all.
that Barros(?)#28 Cagiva...I used to be confused as to why it had MOKE sponsorship. Especially since Mokes stopped being made in the UK in the late 60s (?) and in Oz by the early 80s
Only much later did I learn (from another auto history nerd) that the Australian tooling was shipped to Portugal to continue production and that Cagiva bought the brand and factory in the early 90s. Dunno what happened after that. I suspect the Castiglioni's money troubles killed it all.
No-one could destroy Rossi back then on the Yamaha. He wiped the floor with JL until the motocross crash/leg break. Rossi v Stoner on the Yamaha would've been a battle for the ages.
Lorenzo would've gone to Repsol Honda.
Stoner did a fantastic job on the GP7. The Stoner/Ducati/Bridgestone/Gabbarini package was the best that year.
I think the problems of the GP7 were largely masked by the fact that his two title rivals, DP and VR, were on the inferior Michelins. The Duke's strength was obviously the incredible straight-line performance. We've never seen a horsepower disparity like that between the top three factories.
The GP7 was a decent bike. Capirossi still had a reasonable season, and Barros beat Stoner at Mugello.
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No one is denying Dovi has had a fantastic year, but you in particular have been campaigning for most of this season that he is all of a sudden on the same plain as the truly great riders. It's in your DNA to believe that no one is elite in life, that given the right opportunity , everyone is equal. As someone who grew up in sport, I find that way of thinking to be way off base.
Yeah and after Barros beat Stoner Ducati took his engines away.
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Disagree. He hardly 'Wiped the floor' with Lorenzo in 2009. Yes he beat him but Lorenzo pushed him hard, in what was only his 2nd season. I believe Rossi was very fearful of Stoner, because he blocked Yamaha signing him in 06. He knew exactly what Stoner was capable of imo.
As for 2010. I hate this 'IF' scenario always used with Rossi. He crashed a motorcross bike, and he crashed his M1 breaking his leg. Lorenzo didn't break his leg. You have to be in it to win it. And Rossi has rarely been a match for Lorenzo since.
Again. Disagree. People are saying Lorenzo is a failure for getting 2 podiums on a bike that has won 5 races. Capirossi got 4 podiums on a bike his team mate won 10 races and the title on by a comfortable margin. And by Capirossi's form in 06 where he was challenging for the championship, I doubt very few, including Loris himself, would say he had a reasonable season in 07.
