A few facts about Ducati, Bridgestone in 07

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frizzle @ Jan 1 2008, 03:15 AM) [snapback]105573[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Bollocks Andrew.
You want to see Vale win and anything else doesn't matter.


Thats not true, i wasn't complaining the last year of the 990s when Hayden won the WC because the racing was good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jan 1 2008, 02:24 PM) [snapback]105574[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Thats not true, i wasn't complaining the last year of the 990s when Hayden won the WC because the racing was good.


Yes but your idea of "good racing" only includes when Rossi is winning

The numbers say that 07 was the best year ever for spectators ..... they weren't going for the ice cream or hot dogs ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Jan 1 2008, 03:50 AM) [snapback]105578[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes but your idea of "good racing" only includes when Rossi is winning

The numbers say that 07 was the best year ever for spectators ..... they weren't going for the ice cream or hot dogs ....




I believe that 'head in sand' is most apt for you.

There were many spectators, at the tracks, because of 06. Viewerships were actually down on the TV.

And 07 was crap compared to 06, don't try to deny it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Jan 1 2008, 02:58 PM) [snapback]105579[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
There were many spectators, at the tracks, because of 06. Viewerships were actually down on the TV.


Show me the figures that back that up ......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Jan 1 2008, 04:00 AM) [snapback]105580[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Show me the figures that back that up ......


Well I can't find any, but I trust journalists more than I trust a man from the internet.

"In Italy and Spain, countries where MotoGP is at least as popular as Formula 1 and rivals even the world’s favorite sport, soccer, in popularity, viewing figures had plummeted, with TV audiences down by millions of viewers. In part, this is down to the Italian and Spanish fans seeing their respective favorites dropping out of the title race so early in the season. But it’s also been caused by the tediously processional nature of the races so far this season. Look at the lap charts for most of the races this season, and they tell a very static story, with one rider — usually Casey Stoner — taking the lead from lap 1 and going on to win unchallenged. At the end of last year, MotoGP fans were taunting Formula 1 fans about how boring F1 was compared with MotoGP, the only passing taking place during pit stops. By the time we left Brno, the shoe was on the other foot, F1 fans countering that, thanks to those pit stops, at least there was actually some passing going on.

Dorna, the company which runs MotoGP and holds the worldwide TV rights for the series, looked on with horror as audiences continued to fall in their key markets. Faced with a potentially serious shortfall in income and decline in both global popularity and, consequently, political influence, Dorna’s CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta was forced to act: On Saturday, September 22nd, Ezpeleta proposed changing the MotoGP tire rules from an open market system to a single manufacturer supplying control tires for the series, with all teams getting equal access to the available tires. The reasoning was simple: the current tire rules — introduced with Dorna’s full approval at the same time as maximum engine capacity was reduced from 990 to 800 cc, and the fuel allowance was also reduced to 21 liters — were ruining the racing, and killing the spectacle of MotoGP. MotoGP fans support riders, not tire brands, ran the reasoning at Dorna’s Barcelona HQ."

http://www.rideontwo.com/

Happy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Jan 1 2008, 02:58 PM) [snapback]105579[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I believe that 'head in sand' is most apt for you.


because I won't accept .... what?

That Hayden didn't win?

That Stoner didn't dominate in 07 .

That Rossi is not on the wane ?

That Rossi would not win if riding any other bike than the Yamaha??

PFFT!!!




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Jan 1 2008, 02:58 PM) [snapback]105579[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
And 07 was crap compared to 06, don't try to deny it.


07 was better than 06 is a stupid statement to me ...... as would be saying 06 was better than 07 ...... each year is each year ..... they are all pretty entertaining to me ...... though I do like to watch dominant performances I must admit ..... so I would have said that 07 was a far better year ....

07 Surprise winner in both rider and bike .... great to see how they held things together after the initial "shock" win ..... and indeed expand on that to come away with one of the most well deservd WC's of all time .... yes 07 was good .....

06 ..... assumed Rossi had it in the bag ...... but that persistent Hayden wouldn't go away and indeed he pushed and pushed and put together one of the cleverest WC aquisitions of all time ... even after some pretty bad misfortune ( which I think Pedrosa still feels embarrassed over )

I certainly wouldn't try and compare 07 with 06 .... 0r 05 and 96 ..... or 66 with 2005 !!!

need I go on?? .....

just watch the racing ...... forget backing "your hero" .... and every year is a great season ...... actually every race is pretty much great for me .... but collections of races are punctuated by a compulsory ...... annual WC period ..... so I will go along with that

I don't think "bar banging" is much of a reason to like Motogp ( or any motorsport ) ..... it may be just me, but there you go ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Jan 1 2008, 04:21 AM) [snapback]105582[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
just watch the racing ...... forget backing "your hero" .... and every year is a great season ...... actually every race is pretty much great for me .... but collections of races are punctuated by a compulsory ...... annual WC period ..... so I will go along with that


LOL.

First time I've ever been accused of being a Rossi fanboy!

writes down in notes of life

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Jan 1 2008, 03:07 PM) [snapback]105581[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Well I can't find any, but I trust journalists more than I trust a man from the internet.

Happy?



well yeah!! ...... thanks for that ..... sums it up well ... Rossi fans are whinging

Still doesn't say anything on numbers though?? ( how can one?? ) .... and they may have been replaced by Australians watching Stoner for all we know??


TV numbers have dropped ....... stupid statement ......

Dorna has confirmed that numbers going to watch races has increased ... based on that, my assumption would still be that <strike>TC</strike> TV viewers has also increased ...... but I do accept it isimpossible to be able to do more than make assumptions .. ....



Edit ... oh dear ...... Substitute TV for that TC quickly

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Dec 31 2007, 08:52 PM) [snapback]105585[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
no one wants to watch their side loose. its natural for americans to turn off, epscially at laguna where hoppa took out the whole american charge on the first corner.


Upon further examination, Hoppa was not to blame. It was a racing incident caused by two abominations.

1. Stoner riding through Nicky's line (an abomination because it would have been impossible sans electronics)

2. The Honda's miserable front end which had no feel during tip in

Watch 06 and 07. Nicky's start is exactly the same, it is the Hayden move to swing out wide at the Andretti hairpin. Tommy discovered it and he has passed the knowledge down the tree.

It worked great in 2006 but in 2007 Stoner wisely rode through Nicky's line, cut him off, laid the bike at 60 degrees then let the computer keep his stone cold rubber from pitching him over the top.

Brilliant move. Again evidence that Casey understands how to thrash a bike. Frustrating for motogp fans who love the fire-breathing-dragon era.

who you like or want to win is not the point... the point being the 990 led to more exciting racing and the 800s came out like virgins and not every manufacturer was on the same level.

Next year should be better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Jan 1 2008, 10:55 AM) [snapback]105606[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
who you like or want to win is not the point... the point being the 990 led to more exciting racing and the 800s came out like virgins and not every manufacturer was on the same level.

Next year should be better.


Agreed. The championship race will be much closer. Whether or not we will be treated on a weekly basis to something that resembles racing is still up in the air.

Hopefully there will be more duels with more participants.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Dec 31 2007, 10:21 AM) [snapback]105513[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
well elias and melandri were on bridgestone and a honda and did no better than the honda/micheline combo.

oh but oh yeah, the bridgestone only suit the ducati.....


They are all called 'Honda', but that does not make a 2007 Gresini Honda the same as a 2007 factory Honda! And even with that handicap, in some races (remember Laguna Seca?) they did perform better than the factory Hondas thanks to the Bridgestones!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Jan 2 2008, 09:26 AM) [snapback]105624[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
and where was the close racing when rossi won 5 wc's? or doohans?

was the biggest blow outs in motogp history. who cares rossi won when there was no competition so what. he still deserved the win

but lets blame the winner for that LOL some logic there.


There was close racing when Rossi won his championships.

He didn't have a chip on his shoulder about finishing 10+ seconds ahead of his nearest rival, he'd wait and make the show good for the crowd.

He'd usually always win, but actually make the race worth watching along the way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Jan 2 2008, 10:26 AM) [snapback]105624[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
and where was the close racing when rossi won 5 wc's? or doohans?

was the biggest blow outs in motogp history. who cares rossi won when there was no competition so what. he still deserved the win

but lets blame the winner for that LOL some logic there.



If a racing formula is well thought out and implemented, there should be no need of tweaking any rules to 'make' the racing closer. Racing would be naturally close enough. Then if someone is really stronger and dominates, fine, that's part of all sports. Cheers!

But an ill-conceived formula can leave room for 'dominations' that happen for the wrong reasons - preferential treatment of one or more contenders by tyre manufacturers is the most frequent and recent example of that, given the big advantage tyres can give.

So I personally regret they did not have the courage to enforce the single tyre rule in motoGP, and also some regulation of TC. These changes would create a better formula for MotoGP because - most importantly - would channel the development efforts of the manufacturers in the right direction - i.e. making better proto engines and proto frames, rather that securing preferential contracts with tyre manufacturers or developing software for third-party ECUs!

This said, I think Stoner and Ducati would have won anyway in 2007, even with control ECU and single tyre. They form such a unique combination of bike and rider that it will be difficult for anybody to beat them until such state of grace lasts... Maybe with a better formula they would have to sweat it out a little more, for sure, but that's fine, isn't it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Jan 2 2008, 12:54 PM) [snapback]105630[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
He didn't have a chip on his shoulder about finishing 10+ seconds ahead of his nearest rival, he'd wait and make the show good for the crowd.

He'd usually always win, but actually make the race worth watching along the way.

I don't think casey is able to ride like that even if he wanted to. If he rides at less than 10/10ths he seems to lose his way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Jan 4 2008, 09:17 AM) [snapback]105811[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he'd wait LOL thats real funny.


LOL FUNNEH INDEED!!!!!!111oneeoneoen lololol



Look no further than Philip Island 03. He's quoted as saying that's the only race he's ever ridden on the absolute limit every lap.

But you're a Stoner fanboy and a Rossi hater, what should I expect?