Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
I know your post was tongue cheek, but its actually not even outside of the rules. All the factories can test all they want using non factory riders. Hence why Ducati has already had 2-3 of them (without using VR/NH). I'm sure you remember the test designed NOT to help Rossi.
And I think I remember reading in another thread about Stoner/Pedrosa but not Dovi testing the Honda12 in the not too distant future.
Quote from Kropo's site
Hey Mental,
Do you think Honda is also cheating by testing 2011 parts in guise of 2012 bike
Hey Mental,
Do you think Honda is also cheating by testing 2011 parts in guise of 2012 bike
Joined Oct 2006
25K Posts | 4K+
Your Mom's House
Tom, hes appealing to fallacy. The thing is all these fools dont understand the issues. Honda could test their current bike all they want, just not with their factory riders. Nino doesnt understand this very simple rule. Hes comparing it to the recent GP12 test. What hes forgetting is that factory riders wer aboard that bike. So its suppose to be only next year's evolution. By saying Ducati was cheating, hes appealling to a debate fallacy in relation to what Honda are testing.
Not certain I'm in with the "fools" but it does clearly state in the articlie JL is testing the new bike in june. Is that not what all the fuss is about?
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Quote from Kropo's site
Hey Mental,
Do you think Honda is also cheating by testing 2011 parts in guise of 2012 bike
What is all this ....... crap about new parts and 2011 and 2012 bike parts !!????
They can and do change the bikes whenever they want so long as it stays within reg.s. How else do you think Ducati are adapting the bike for Rossi ?
Testing by THE RIDERS was limited. Not this idiotic TalpaNinoBopper crap about the bike. Next years model bike has always been prepared in the background ready for the riders at the end on the year. Normally it was probably too distracting for the riders to go investing their time in the new model.
What Ducati effectively did was speed up the time Rossi has had on the Ducati. Given that there seems to be a commonly held belief that Rossi will finally come to grips with it, ie Rossi X ( Time + time + time + time ) = Success on the Ducati .......... where normally that time was being touted as being about 5-6 months, they have halved it now
To be honest it may still be a cheat as nobody else seems to be supposedly needing as much time as Rossi to get it right.
Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
Joined Mar 2005
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Woody Creek
The fuss is about the Ducati test at Jerez with Rossi and Hayden. Tests conducted by factory riders are limited to a handful, and Ducati's Jerez test fell outside that handful. However, factory riders testing bikes illegal under current rules don't fall into the test ban. So Ducati have circumvented the rules. The word is that all the factories have an unspoken agreement to essentially break that test ban this season in preparation for the 1000s. As Yamaha and Honda have yet to conduct their own high profile private tests as Ducati has, there is speculation that the GP12 test was a ploy to further develop the GP11. Now that Honda has announced their Jerez test with Stoner and Pedrosa, some of that speculation will die down. Because what's left to speculate about is purely speculation outside of the handful of people at Ducati privy to what was actually tested. And the Mugello test is set to be the first open 1000cc test, with Yamaha, Honda, and Ducati all scheduled to test their 1000s.
This just confirms Ducati were cheating
I agree!! I'm so mad right now... Rossi and Nicky are behind all this. I can't believe only ducati are using their riders for their test. I'm so mad right now damnit!! Poor Honda and yamaha, looks like Rossi tells them what to do even if he's not paid by them. I'm seriously disappointed with ducati. They should be fined right now.
How dare Honda test anything!!!! I'm sure rossi didn't say they could.
The first lot of serious egg on face for many haters and boners, more coming up and it'll be even more rotten.
The first lot of serious egg on face for many haters and boners, more coming up and it'll be even more rotten.
Joined Mar 2011
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London
Yes I forgot about that
We've already had Kropotkin confirm that Ducati's test is no big deal, but the usual suspects, the top boys in the Stoner fanclub want to carry on pretending that they've broken the agreement, the full details of which they are not privy.
Joined Mar 2011
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London
Yes I forgot about that.
We've already had Kropotkin confirm that Ducati's test is no big deal, but the usual suspects, the top boys in the Stoner fanclub want to carry on pretending that they've broken the agreement, the full details of which they are not privy.
As much as I respect Kropotkin I am quite sure he is not privy to the full details of the agreement nor is he privy to the specifications of what was tested. I am absolutely certain that you do not have any details at all other than what you are told by people who are guessing also. So based on that what gives you the right to suggest that someone else is wrong? No-one including Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki know what it was that Ducati tested. So someone speculating they tested components to improve the performance of the 2011 bike is as accurate as someone who speculates that they did not. The only difference is some people like yourself regurgitate what you have been told as long as it resonates with your own view of the world and other people think for themselves and form an opinion. You can go on drinking the kool-aid if you like and I will go on thinking for my self.
Top priority for Thursday at Estoril is find out what the deal is with the 1000cc testing. But yes, it's educated guesses on my part, based on what I know of IRTA, Dorna and the MSMA's attitude and the way GP is run.
As for the specifications of exactly what was tested, only the factory engineers know that, and no one else.
Joined Mar 2011
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London
No you will carry on idle speculation, jumping to conclusions and generally being a ......... I'm happy to wait to see what happens at Estoril. Though it seems strange that things would take so long to kick off.
