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2010 second part: the "Mundialito"

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So, the deals are done.



Stoner to Honda.

Lorenzo with Yamaha.

Rossi to Ducati.

Pedro, probably with Honda.



In this context, Rossi's injury has been important to seal the VR46-Ducati deal because it has given Lorenzo a world-champion status which has shifted the internal balance of Yamaha definitely towards the Spaniard. See the total absence of Yamaha managers (Brivio the only exception) among those who paid a visit to Valentino at the Florence hospital. See, on the other hand, the visible display of enthusiasm by Jarvis & Co. at each uncontested victory of the Spaniard in the absence of Rossi. Body language does not lie.



Some may think, oh well, here we are done, the drama is over, let's begin the 2011 season immediately, -- why lose time with a 2010 season that is already decided...
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No hurry, 2010 can still deliver emotions. We are going to have a smaller championship, a "mundialito", between Rossi and Lorenzo, with Stoner and Pedrosa (and Dovi) as spoilers. This mundialito will effectively begin at Misano (Brno, and maybe Sachsenring, are going to be warmup races for Rossi). But starting Misano, Rossi will race aggressively with Lorenzo as his target. That's assured -- whether he'll be able to beat him in this small private championship, has to be seen, but no doubt he will try to make a point before moving to Ducati next year.



The question is, how is Yamaha going to handle the last chapter of a ferocious internal war? Will they allow a breakaway Rossi to challenge the new chosen man? This is not a small question. Last year, and this year up to the Mugello accident, Yamaha had the assurance that even if one of the two riders went down, they could still win the championship wirth the second one.



But now, should Lorenzo have a bad crash while battling with Rossi in the second part of the season, Yamaha could lose everything. Hmmmm... Will they run such a risk? Or be cynical and favor Lorenzo? Rossi must be asking himself the same question... Certainly they have no reason to support too much a Rossi who's on his way out. On the other hand, certainly Rossi will not want to give too many hints towards the 2011 development of the bike. So, how can he claim all-out support...
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Could this be a lose-lose situation inside the Yamaha camp? It also connects to the question of how they are going to approach development in the absence of Burgess and Rossi. Will they go back to the old (losing) engineer-led way? Or, will Lorenzo (with his faithful Forcada) inherit this privileged role as well from Rossi?



Who knows.
 
All very interresting points Jarno. I'd like to add that Rossi's popularity will, as allways, be a factor. Yamaha should be carefull abaout the wat they treat R.
 
Theres only one problem .......... it is by no means decided that Rossi will leave Yamaha. And speculation as to him moving seems to have waned over the last week.
 
Theres only one problem .......... it is by no means decided that Rossi will leave Yamaha. And speculation as to him moving seems to have waned over the last week.



Rossi's gone to Ducati. There's just the small matter of sorting out the details.



For the record, I fell for A&R's Monday announcement story, because I heard who their source was, and it was pretty reliable. But I have very, very good reason to believe the deal has been done.
 
Rossi's gone to Ducati. There's just the small matter of sorting out the details.



For the record, I fell for A&R's Monday announcement story, because I heard who their source was, and it was pretty reliable. But I have very, very good reason to believe the deal has been done.





Any Idea JB & crew going along with Vale this time?



 
So, the deals are done.



Stoner to Honda.

Lorenzo with Yamaha.

Rossi to Ducati.

Pedro, probably with Honda.



In this context, Rossi's injury has been important to seal the VR46-Ducati deal because it has given Lorenzo a world-champion status which has shifted the internal balance of Yamaha definitely towards the Spaniard. See the total absence of Yamaha managers (Brivio the only exception) among those who paid a visit to Valentino at the Florence hospital. See, on the other hand, the visible display of enthusiasm by Jarvis & Co. at each uncontested victory of the Spaniard in the absence of Rossi. Body language does not lie.



Some may think, oh well, here we are done, the drama is over, let's begin the 2011 season immediately, -- why lose time with a 2010 season that is already decided...
<




No hurry, 2010 can still deliver emotions. We are going to have a smaller championship, a "mundialito", between Rossi and Lorenzo, with Stoner and Pedrosa (and Dovi) as spoilers. This mundialito will effectively begin at Misano (Brno, and maybe Sachsenring, are going to be warmup races for Rossi). But starting Misano, Rossi will race aggressively with Lorenzo as his target. That's assured -- whether he'll be able to beat him in this small private championship, has to be seen, but no doubt he will try to make a point before moving to Ducati next year.



The question is, how is Yamaha going to handle the last chapter of a ferocious internal war? Will they allow a breakaway Rossi to challenge the new chosen man? This is not a small question. Last year, and this year up to the Mugello accident, Yamaha had the assurance that even if one of the two riders went down, they could still win the championship wirth the second one.



But now, should Lorenzo have a bad crash while battling with Rossi in the second part of the season, Yamaha could lose everything. Hmmmm... Will they run such a risk? Or be cynical and favor Lorenzo? Rossi must be asking himself the same question... Certainly they have no reason to support too much a Rossi who's on his way out. On the other hand, certainly Rossi will not want to give too many hints towards the 2011 development of the bike. So, how can he claim all-out support...
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Could this be a lose-lose situation inside the Yamaha camp? It also connects to the question of how they are going to approach development in the absence of Burgess and Rossi. Will they go back to the old (losing) engineer-led way? Or, will Lorenzo (with his faithful Forcada) inherit this privileged role as well from Rossi?



Who knows.



Well Rossi and Lorenzo have joint number 1 status so they wont be able to give Lorenzo better parts, or give team orders. But they can and should be listening to Lorenzo more for development direction (If Rossi is right that will make his job easier). The big difference will simply be that the overall team atmosphere will be willing Lorenzo to win, something which Rossi will not like or be used to as he has always been the default winner in the minds of the paddock and his teams. That should be a motivator to Rossi.
 
Great thread. All interesting points which many of us have overlooked, I'm looking forward to this season a little more now.....
 
even JB said he dont work for babies
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No I know and expect you would never really have a need for JB anyway Curve, but he has expressed a willingness to work with Casey, and still expresses admiration for him as a rider.
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Make of that what you will, but I'd say that JB has a few options this year. One thing is certain, he has been/is the most pivotal Mech of all time.
 
anywho Yamaha is ...... up imo... they should save the money, let JL go and keep Rossi...they have Spies anyhow to take over when the Doc does retire..Besides Spies will lap circles round JL when the rules go to bigger bikes..
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from the last thing i read (last night or the night before) jb and the crew are going with him to ducati...
 
i think JL would have stayed with yamaha without a huge pay raise. Didn't Ducati offer him a load of money last year? 2 or 3 times what they were paying Stoner? I think Jorge would be too worried that he wouldn't be able to ride the Duc. And just because Jorge's dominating this year, that doesn't mean he should get Rossi money (VR - 7 world championships to JL's 0). Stoner dominated and looked unstoppable a couple of years back and look, he's struggling pretty hard now. we'll see if it pays off for them.