I think you make a good point, superbikes dont need to be the fastest things ever,thats what gp is for. And superbikes is all about close racing. I guess the tire rule isnt so bad, i am just sour about the no wildcards thing, and like you said, they could have taken better tires than pirellis. Put part of me does cling on to the idea that a world championship should be a place for all manufacurers to compete.
Yeah, I know it's still a world championship, but I belive if tyre manufacturers want a World Championship, they should go to MotoGP. It's a better test of their recourses. After all, isn't a GP tyre light years ahead of even a "Normal" racing slick? And a GP bike, with the extra power and speed it carries, provides more of a hostile environment for the tyre, which should breed better rubber as they make the tyres more durable, but try to maintain the awsome level of grip & traction a MotoGP bike would demand.
Yeah well said, if i was a high roller in any of the relevant companies i know which way i'd want to point the investment.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jan 11 2007, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>u guy's suck
Not only do you guys suck, but everybody in FIM blows. How can an ity bity country like the glorious UK get three and we get squat. What are these morons thinking (or smoking)? You get a race and we get Bek.
Well I really can't blame you guys, even though we are the largest market on the planet; you lucky .......s...F it, I think its time for a roadtrip....well (airtrip)--then roadtrip.
Not only do you guys suck, but everybody in FIM blows. How can an ity bity country like the glorious UK get three and we get squat. What are these morons thinking (or smoking)? You get a race and we get Bek.
Well I really can't blame you guys, even though we are the largest market on the planet; you lucky .......s...F it, I think its time for a roadtrip....well (airtrip)--then roadtrip.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 11 2007, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do any AMA guys ride Pirelli's. This control tyre rule is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO crap, it has runied world superbikes.
There are a few teams in AMA that use em. But I like dunlops a whole lot more, from my own experience.
There are a few teams in AMA that use em. But I like dunlops a whole lot more, from my own experience.
It is pretty lame. but so is Spain having 3 GPs. I guess they figure WSBK is most popular in Britain like GPs are most popular in Spain. Either that or this is an attempt to bring back the Foggy-inspired glory days for British WSBK ticket vendors.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 12 2007, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not only do you guys suck, but everybody in FIM blows. How can an ity bity country like the glorious UK get three and we get squat. What are these morons thinking (or smoking)? You get a race and we get Bek.
Well I really can't blame you guys, even though we are the largest market on the planet; you lucky .......s...F it, I think its time for a roadtrip....well (airtrip)--then roadtrip.
Quite simple...........UK tracks & fans rock.
Isnt there saftey issues with most US tracks?
Well I really can't blame you guys, even though we are the largest market on the planet; you lucky .......s...F it, I think its time for a roadtrip....well (airtrip)--then roadtrip.
Quite simple...........UK tracks & fans rock.
Isnt there saftey issues with most US tracks?
That Barber place seems alright. Maybe they don't go there becuse Ducati are pissed off with the AMA. And we all know who pulls the strings when it comes to WSBK.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 12 2007, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its time they stop calling it "World" Superbike and call it what it is: "European" Superbike. (Only twice do they go out of Europe). That's so Bullsh...t.
Let's call moto gp: "Spaniards and Italian Express" then ok?
This situation confuses me greatly, we have the most events in WSBK, the least riders, a MASSIVE BSB following and a non existent moto gp grid (bar ol' Jezza).
This is partly why I am bitter towards Dorna and the 'Southern' Europeans....why do the Spaniards get so many chances? Yes they have the most riders and a few of them are good, but the reason there are so many good Spaniards is because there are so many of them.
Come with a rebuttal such as: 'Ooh er you Brits dislike motorbikes!' and I'll point to our 3 rounds in WSBK, it PROVES we are a big fanbase.
P.S Bikes are actually getting faster in WSBK now, up to and beating the old lap times, so that's one reason for disliking it gone.
Let's call moto gp: "Spaniards and Italian Express" then ok?
This situation confuses me greatly, we have the most events in WSBK, the least riders, a MASSIVE BSB following and a non existent moto gp grid (bar ol' Jezza).
This is partly why I am bitter towards Dorna and the 'Southern' Europeans....why do the Spaniards get so many chances? Yes they have the most riders and a few of them are good, but the reason there are so many good Spaniards is because there are so many of them.
Come with a rebuttal such as: 'Ooh er you Brits dislike motorbikes!' and I'll point to our 3 rounds in WSBK, it PROVES we are a big fanbase.
P.S Bikes are actually getting faster in WSBK now, up to and beating the old lap times, so that's one reason for disliking it gone.
It's all about the money, phleq. Big fan bases mean big money. HUGE fan bases mean HUGE money. As you said, the BSB following is massive (biggest domestic series in the world if I'm not mistaken) Britain hosted the first SBK race, is the homeland of (statistically) the greatest WSBK rider ever, and the only nation to hold more titles is America. Now, Britain hosts three WSBK rounds. It's the spiritual home of the World Superbike Championship, and has the fan base to boot. That's why you've got a third round. Now think of Spain, and to a lesser extent, Italy, as the same "Spitirtual homes" for the MotoGP circuit. Perhaps not as firmly rooted in the historical department, but the fan base for the 125 and 250 GPs is massive, at a time I belive it outstripped that of the 500s, and 125s and 250s have become the real feeder classes for MotoGP. So the cream of the 250s more often than not ends up on the MotoGP bikes, and thier fans will follow them. GP racing and SBK racing are different spectacles, and while you Brits have proved how much you love the Supers, the Spainiards and Italians have proved how much they love the GPs.
There are a lot of countries who suffer from not having good representation in the GPs, so don't think Britain is alone. Considering our size, Australia does pretty well, but I belive there's a lack of good Germans in the series, for example. Germany has the biggest bike market in Europe, and the crowds at the Sausage-ring are huge. In my opinion, it should be a "World Championship", with only one round per country, and a more divers grid, but the demographics speak for themselves.
By the way, you should keep an eye on the smaller classes. I think little Smith will have a few more compatriots down there this year
There are a lot of countries who suffer from not having good representation in the GPs, so don't think Britain is alone. Considering our size, Australia does pretty well, but I belive there's a lack of good Germans in the series, for example. Germany has the biggest bike market in Europe, and the crowds at the Sausage-ring are huge. In my opinion, it should be a "World Championship", with only one round per country, and a more divers grid, but the demographics speak for themselves.
By the way, you should keep an eye on the smaller classes. I think little Smith will have a few more compatriots down there this year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 12 2007, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not only do you guys suck, but everybody in FIM blows. How can an ity bity country like the glorious UK get three and we get squat. What are these morons thinking (or smoking)? You get a race and we get Bek.
To be honest Racejumkie, It's more to do with the fact that laguna can only hold one race per year for Bikes. MOTOGP got it, the 125 & 250cc don't race their because the AMA guys race on the same weekend. Next year Motogp are going to 2 tracks in the USA, Not bad going. 2 races in UK would work for MOTOGP the other track would be Brands I reackon they would pull in 85,000+ spectators, but spain has them all.
To be honest Racejumkie, It's more to do with the fact that laguna can only hold one race per year for Bikes. MOTOGP got it, the 125 & 250cc don't race their because the AMA guys race on the same weekend. Next year Motogp are going to 2 tracks in the USA, Not bad going. 2 races in UK would work for MOTOGP the other track would be Brands I reackon they would pull in 85,000+ spectators, but spain has them all.
I honestly don't think the control tyre rule is the single factor that has re-created the close racing the WSBK. They started using the control tyre the same year they allowed 1000cc - 4cyl bikes to use full power NOT with air intake restrictors. After this you would notice that their was less Ducati's in the line up. This is why Foggy had problems they moved the goal post regarding 4cyl 1000cc bikes - but to be honest that bike was not fast anyway.
One other thing I have noticed about having one tyre make rule, you do not get as many wild cards entries per meeting, due to the fact that Domestic teams will be under contract to run other tyre manufactors and will not be allowed to enter with another manufactors.
Agree with they Probably could have struck a deal with someone better than Pirelli though.
One other thing I have noticed about having one tyre make rule, you do not get as many wild cards entries per meeting, due to the fact that Domestic teams will be under contract to run other tyre manufactors and will not be allowed to enter with another manufactors.
Agree with they Probably could have struck a deal with someone better than Pirelli though.
wsb and motogp are world championships and should be contested around the world imo.
i think it should be one race per country, mabe wsb is not so popular in other parts of the world anymore.
i think it should be one race per country, mabe wsb is not so popular in other parts of the world anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mbracing @ Jan 15 2007, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly don't think the control tyre rule is the single factor that has re-created the close racing the WSBK. They started using the control tyre the same year they allowed 1000cc - 4cyl bikes to use full power NOT with air intake restrictors. After this you would notice that their was less Ducati's in the line up. This is why Foggy had problems they moved the goal post regarding 4cyl 1000cc bikes - but to be honest that bike was not fast anyway.
I have to disagree. I belive that the FP1 was on track to be a great bike, but the rule change and Petronas' subsequent tightarseness ruined it. If you listen to what Martin says it seems to always be along the lines of "It's a great bike to ride... if only it had more power" I belive more investment from Petronas to make it a full 1000cc bike, whether keeping it as a three or making it a four, could have made it a great bike. As far as I could see, it had two main problems: Lack of power and reliability. Petronas make F1 engines. If they had taken the project seriously they could have made the bike powerful enough, and through continued tests and development they could have ironed out reliability problems. The great thing was that handling wasn't the problem, and if it was then I would agree the bike would be a basket case. But it wasn't It had potential, but Petronas obviously didn't see it.
I have to disagree. I belive that the FP1 was on track to be a great bike, but the rule change and Petronas' subsequent tightarseness ruined it. If you listen to what Martin says it seems to always be along the lines of "It's a great bike to ride... if only it had more power" I belive more investment from Petronas to make it a full 1000cc bike, whether keeping it as a three or making it a four, could have made it a great bike. As far as I could see, it had two main problems: Lack of power and reliability. Petronas make F1 engines. If they had taken the project seriously they could have made the bike powerful enough, and through continued tests and development they could have ironed out reliability problems. The great thing was that handling wasn't the problem, and if it was then I would agree the bike would be a basket case. But it wasn't It had potential, but Petronas obviously didn't see it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mbracing @ Jan 15 2007, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Next year Motogp are going to 2 tracks in the USA, Not bad going. .
What? I haven't heard that news. Was it finalized?
What? I haven't heard that news. Was it finalized?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jan 15 2007, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to disagree. I belive that the FP1 was on track to be a great bike
I don't know much about the FP1, except I'm sad to see it go away. Apart from the Ducatis, it was the Petronas I rooted for every race. You gotta love Martin. Also, who else has ever derived a production bike from the race bike? Nobody, ever. Plus, we need more representation if WSBK is to keep its prestige. Even though I still think it’s a European series. But I suppose we only have the Americans to blame for that, I mean, the only guy trying to put Yanks on the table is King Kenny, and that for MotoGP. I hope we see the like of Spies, Zemke, and Tommy in WSBK soon (it seemed to work for Colin (even though he has yet to win in MotoGP); but I’m not holding my breath. But I certainly think it’s a mistake to think that the 250 guys better than the AMA guys. Sure the 250s get more experience on the tracks, but I believe Colin & Hopkins have held their own, not to mention the new world champ. I know its probably not on topic, but I really wonder how the AMA guys would match up with the 250 guys if the 250 guys came to race here in the US. Uhm, I wonder…. O how about the Supersport WSBK guys and the AMA Supersport guys? Uhm, I wonder….
I don't know much about the FP1, except I'm sad to see it go away. Apart from the Ducatis, it was the Petronas I rooted for every race. You gotta love Martin. Also, who else has ever derived a production bike from the race bike? Nobody, ever. Plus, we need more representation if WSBK is to keep its prestige. Even though I still think it’s a European series. But I suppose we only have the Americans to blame for that, I mean, the only guy trying to put Yanks on the table is King Kenny, and that for MotoGP. I hope we see the like of Spies, Zemke, and Tommy in WSBK soon (it seemed to work for Colin (even though he has yet to win in MotoGP); but I’m not holding my breath. But I certainly think it’s a mistake to think that the 250 guys better than the AMA guys. Sure the 250s get more experience on the tracks, but I believe Colin & Hopkins have held their own, not to mention the new world champ. I know its probably not on topic, but I really wonder how the AMA guys would match up with the 250 guys if the 250 guys came to race here in the US. Uhm, I wonder…. O how about the Supersport WSBK guys and the AMA Supersport guys? Uhm, I wonder….
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jan 16 2007, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I. Also, who else has ever derived a production bike from the race bike? Nobody, ever.
RC45, R7????? its been done.
But the fp1 could have been a good prject if the rules hadnt worked against it like they did. its shame.
As for comparing the AMA guys to the others, i think its a tricky one. I reckon the wsbk guys would be better than the AMA boys. But i think the 250 boys would loose. Put it the other way though, the AMA guys would not succeed well in 250 gp's i think, and the AMA guys probably could succeed in wsbk, but there seems to be a shortage of that right now.
I mean Rolfo doesnt cut it in wsbk like i'd like him to, and hodgeson was a big disapointment. At the end of the day its about transferable skills and versatility, and i think thats a hard thing to generalize by nation or chosen disipline.
RC45, R7????? its been done.
But the fp1 could have been a good prject if the rules hadnt worked against it like they did. its shame.
As for comparing the AMA guys to the others, i think its a tricky one. I reckon the wsbk guys would be better than the AMA boys. But i think the 250 boys would loose. Put it the other way though, the AMA guys would not succeed well in 250 gp's i think, and the AMA guys probably could succeed in wsbk, but there seems to be a shortage of that right now.
I mean Rolfo doesnt cut it in wsbk like i'd like him to, and hodgeson was a big disapointment. At the end of the day its about transferable skills and versatility, and i think thats a hard thing to generalize by nation or chosen disipline.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 11 2007, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So true about Brand, but the gp has to be easily accessible for all inhabitants. I live in North Wales, could you imagine the trip down there? When Donnie is smack bang right in the middle of the country (minus Jocks).
Is Brands safe enough for GP?
It's way too small for the run-off area size and for where it's located. When the superbikes are there, it is packed so much that I can't even go to the shops
imagine what it would be like for GP's!! Lol
And it's really loud for people who live right next to it
Is Brands safe enough for GP?
It's way too small for the run-off area size and for where it's located. When the superbikes are there, it is packed so much that I can't even go to the shops
