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Ah, apologies :)

You're right. 2 Strokes can develop a lot of power but are extremely 'peaky'. My Karting engine won't pull anything if it drops to about 12,000rpm. A rotary valve 125 Rotax I had was worse, if you dropped 1500rpm below the power band it was literally like someone had turned the engine off. I know Suzuki in the 70's developed a hugely powerful GP engine, which was so peaky it required a 15 speed gearbox!

The trouble is with 2 stokes is you are essentially limited on inlet and exhaust timing by the piston which severly restricts 'broadening' up the performance of it. Also because the fuel is 'oiled', it;s denser meaning you have slower combustion flow. 4 strokes are a lot more forgiving you are right, but they have also in the last 10 years been developed a lot more than 2 strokes with electronic control.
 
Apologies for what?
I love your contributions gentlemen. Apart from the funny banter , the wealth of knowledge to be found here is what I cherish most.
If I just wanted the straight one on one I'd use pm or whatsapp.
This way ,hopefully, someone might join in or learn something. I know I do!
+1 about the rotax.
It's what I like about smokers and small engines in general. Keeping an engine in the right rev range is the most fun exercise you can do safely on the road.
Shame that kids/one legged people/Americans will never know the pleasure of heel and toe
 
Trying to find an article about ktm patents on water injection . The 2 stroke is not dying if we start burning down honda dealerships. 2/3 diesel 1/3 petrol amigos
 
propagandhi said:
Apologies for what?
I love your contributions gentlemen. Apart from the funny banter , the wealth of knowledge to be found here is what I cherish most.
If I just wanted the straight one on one I'd use pm or whatsapp.
This way ,hopefully, someone might join in or learn something. I know I do!
+1 about the rotax.
It's what I like about smokers and small engines in general. Keeping an engine in the right rev range is the most fun exercise you can do safely on the road.
Shame that kids/one legged people/Americans will never know the pleasure of heel and toe
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Apologies for speaking like you didn't know anything about 2 strokes ;)

Oh yes, I remember one of my first jobs was a delivery driver and all the staff hated some crappy diesel van we had. They all tried killing it by just holding it on the rev limiter. I said "No no no, you'll never kill it that way" so did a few heel and toe downshifts from 4th-2nd...only took it 5 times before it literally disintegrated....

Modern cars are a marvel, bu they do take the fun out of driving somewhat.
 
Well I applaud you for taking the time to explain thoroughly, like I said,this way people who are new to this might learn
Maybe there's a kid out there researching rs 125s now and you've changed his/her life forever.

Haha good story about the diesel!

Funny thing diesels. Because you have to apply constant throttle on the downshifts they are even more demanding to drive fast. I know I get a kick out of keeping them betwen 2.5-4 and managing the short immense torque bursts on my rear axle.
My old N/A petrols were almost too easy to get into 2nd before a roundabout ;)
 
propagandhi said:
Trying to find an article about ktm patents on water injection . The 2 stroke is not dying if we start burning down honda dealerships. 2/3 diesel 1/3 petrol amigos
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I doubt KTM has a patent on that.
That is, if you mean injection into the pipe to change the temperature speed of sound.
Google: Ryger. kart engine
Mind blowing, if it lives up to the claims.
 
Pics of Guintoli on the R1

hl_day-1_big.jpg
 
Dr No said:
Ugly black bikes. They do/did exist.
Campetella.
Foul.
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The pink stripes were ....... rubbish and...Franco Battaini had a huge nose.

Guinters rode that as well...I like Sylvain. Lives near me as a matter of fact. Saw him in Wagamama the other weekend.


propagandhi said:
Well I applaud you for taking the time to explain thoroughly, like I said,this way people who are new to this might learn
Maybe there's a kid out there researching rs 125s now and you've changed his/her life forever.

Haha good story about the diesel!

Funny thing diesels. Because you have to apply constant throttle on the downshifts they are even more demanding to drive fast. I know I get a kick out of keeping them betwen 2.5-4 and managing the short immense torque bursts on my rear axle.
My old N/A petrols were almost too easy to get into 2nd before a roundabout ;)
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And remember, two - strokes can have different characteristics themselves. A reed valve motor can have very different nuances to a disc valve one.
 
1. No idea as of now about the different two strokes. As I said,limited experience and I couldn't tell you what kind the bikes were
2. If you like sylvain I can't like you.
Dreadful POS human being. (I do mean the latter part)
 
Dr No said:
Never owned (note, owned) a car newer than 1969.
No, I lie. bought a $200 Alfa Berlina to scavenge the LSD
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Haha good man. I have a 1960's MGB and my daily is 12 years old but I only paid £400 for it. Thankfully though in the employment I'm in you get to try some new and some tasty cars without having to buy them.

Arrab, you are right and I HATE rotary/disc valve engines..god they are a pain in the arse!

propagandhi said:
1. No idea as of now about the different two strokes. As I said,limited experience and I couldn't tell you what kind the bikes were
2. If you like sylvain I can't like you.
Dreadful POS human being. (I do mean the latter part)
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point 2. Really? Do tell.
 
Over a beer and a blunt at the track one time. No need for a toni Elias fiasko.
 
We should rename the sbk section to "OG talk".
Can we ditch the bopper vs x war and make it sbk vs gp noobs?
Best thread since I've been back
 
....... hell. That took some time and making an ..... out of myself first.
Ace
 

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