Will Vinales be allowed to beat rossi in his first year?

BarryMachine · Mar 3, 2017

Given that yamaha love to back rossi over other team riders ......

are they crazy enough to hobble Vinales bike so that rossi has an unfair advantage over him?

They did it to Lorenzo after he anounced he was sick of the unfair advantage rossi gets from them ...... hence signed with Ducati ....... so can rossi cajole/pester them into hobbling Vinales efforts?

danski · Mar 3, 2017

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

gekko1ro · Mar 3, 2017

ask ben spies

#22 · Mar 3, 2017

Depends how dominant over Rossi Vinales is at the start of the year. If he is considerably ahead of him after a few rounds and the only one capable of keeping with Marquez (As the pundits are predicting) then they'd be stupid to reel him in, but then when it comes to Rossi there is no logic.

GVR1976 · Mar 3, 2017

Not sure but would be not logical because Vinales is already stronger in the testing season

Gaz · Mar 3, 2017

GVR1976 said:
Not sure but would be not logical because Vinales is already stronger in the testing season

Testing is not racing though and whilst we all (well, many of us) will put .... on Rossi about a lot of things, he has always been stronger in race mode than in test mode so Vinales being faster in testing does not mean much at this stage given he is the one with a lot to prove.

That said, Vinales testing has been very consistent whilst unusually for Rossi he has been somewhat inconsistent and/or seemingly unhappy with the bike and going public with his thoughts, which in many ways is not his usual modus operandi so I do suspect that he feels the tide has turned or is turning. Out of the frying pan into the fire perhaps with his co-riders.

Would Yamaha hobble Vinales, I doubt it personally but then, I suspect that there are others who may wish to try to ensure that the golden goose stays relevant.

IMO only here, but whilst no doubt Rossi is worth huge dollars to Yamaha I do not believe that they are the business that has all eggs in the same basket

michaelm · Mar 3, 2017

Gaz said:
Testing is not racing though and whilst we all (well, many of us) will put .... on Rossi about a lot of things, he has always been stronger in race mode than in test mode so Vinales being faster in testing does not mean much at this stage given he is the one with a lot to prove.

That said, Vinales testing has been very consistent whilst unusually for Rossi he has been somewhat inconsistent and/or seemingly unhappy with the bike and going public with his thoughts, which in many ways is not his usual modus operandi so I do suspect that he feels the tide has turned or is turning. Out of the frying pan into the fire perhaps with his co-riders.

Would Yamaha hobble Vinales, I doubt it personally but then, I suspect that there are others who may wish to try to ensure that the golden goose stays relevant.

IMO only here, but whilst no doubt Rossi is worth huge dollars to Yamaha I do not believe that they are not the business that has all eggs in the same basket

I am with DB on this, why start on this at this point in time, particularly given you, I and several others have spent months dismissing conspiracy theories about the end of the 2015 season, and are still doing so on the other current thread?.

Would Yamaha and Dorna prefer Rossi to win? No doubt; as Lorenzo said in regard to Yamaha, it sells more bikes, and for Dorna brings better ratings. I don't think Yamaha can afford to burn the young competitor who looks most likely to challenge in the age of MM though, but like JPS I am still not convinced about Vinales as an actual racer, he as yet hasn't shown anything like Rossi's talent for setting up and passing a rider, nor the ability to consistently sustain his pace through a race, although that may be down to the Suzuki +/- the Michelins. Yamaha have also gone after the consensus most promising young rider and actually bought out his Suzuki contract to acquire him, which would seem a strange approach if they don't intend to support him.

Gaz · Mar 3, 2017

michaelm said:
I am with DB on this, why start on this at this point in time, particularly given you, I and several others have spent months dismissing conspiracy theories about the end of the 2015 season, and are still doing so on the other current thread?.

Would Yamaha and Dorna prefer Rossi to win? No doubt; as Lorenzo said in regard to Yamaha, it sells more bikes, and for Dorna brings better ratings. I don't think Yamaha can afford to burn the young competitor who looks most likely to challenge in the age of MM though, but like JPS I am still not convinced about Vinales as an actual racer, he as yet hasn't show anything like Rossi's talent for setting up and passing a rider, nor the ability to consistently sustain his pace through a race, although that may be down to the Suzuki +/- the Michelins. Yamaha have also gone after the consensus most promising young rider and actually bought out his Suzuki contract to acquire him, which would seem a strange approach if they don't intend to support him.

Sorry Mike but my bad - there was a word that I added after a reading that on re-reading is in the wrong place (it was not there when DB liked the post so this is no knee jerk back down - I added it on second read and ...... it up)

The comment that was changed was that I added a NOT (the one shown below, was not there originally) in the Yamaha line in a rush on re-read but the line originally was clear that Yamaha are not the business with their eggs in one basket ........... that is elsewhere (all know my feelings on DORNA)

Gaz said:
IMO only here, but whilst no doubt Rossi is worth huge dollars to Yamaha I do not believe that they are NOT the business that has all eggs in the same basket

IMO but Yamaha will be fair to both and it is not they that I suspect would if they could influence the outcome

michaelm · Mar 3, 2017

Gaz said:
Sorry Mike but my bad - there was a word that I added after a reading that on re-reading is in the wrong place (it was not there when DB liked the post so this is no knee jerk back down - I added it on second read and ...... it up)

The comment that was changed was that I added a NOT (the one shown below, was not there originally) in the Yamaha line in a rush on re-read but the line originally was clear that Yamaha are not the business with their eggs in one basket ........... that is elsewhere (all know my feelings on DORNA)

IMO but Yamaha will be fair to both and it is not they that I suspect would if they could influence the outcome

No, I caught your meaning Gaz and was in fairly complete agreement with you as is often the case, but muddied the waters myself in my post by also attempting to reply to earlier posts in the thread at the same time.

p4p1 · Mar 3, 2017

I'm not convinced quite yet they'll have to. Rossi is above all else a great racer as is Marqurez. Even when they're a bit slower I would pick them both to outrace him especially as the tyres wear out. But given that Marquez has been showing great pace in testing I expect there's no way they will as they wont care who beats Marquez and Honda as long as they do.

povol · Mar 3, 2017

p4p1 said:
I'm not convinced quite yet they'll have to. Rossi is above all else a great racer as is Marqurez. Even when they're a bit slower I would pick them both to outrace him especially as the tyres wear out. But given that Marquez has been showing great pace in testing I expect there's no way they will as they wont care who beats Marquez and Honda as long as they do.

Agree, plus Vinales wouldn't stand for Yamaha ....... him. He has proven in his career , even at a young age that he is not afraid to call his own team out if things are not being done in a proper way.

Theo · Mar 4, 2017

If Vinales is faster than Rossi at the beginning of every race, I imagine Rossi will do the usual sit on his wheel and tease him into making mistakes, its what he is good at. I must admit I like Vinales but he's got to use his brain before he acts as he seems not to so often and makes big mistakes.
I still think Marquez will win again though, as now he's using his brain.

AJV80 · Mar 4, 2017

I doubt Yamaha would want to hinder any of their riders performances, like all teams they invest a lot in their riders for the sole purpose of getting results. It would be pretty silly for any team to deliberately go out of their way to disadvantage any of their riders. I have no doubt Rossi will try every trick in the book to try and outgun his new team mate.

I have the feeling Vinales will be quite successful and take little time to outshine Rossi in performance. He already shows a lot of promise even before his first race with them and he is only going to improve with experience and maturity. Whether or not he can beat Marc in race trim is yet to be seen ... Marc has a knack for putting it all on the line under pressure and often pulling it off. I think it will come down to how Vinales can perform under high pressure when having to scrap it out with Marc. If he gets drawn into these battles and putting it all on the line and having crashes, then Marc's new found skill of riding consistently and smart may triumph.

I'm hoping with the experience and improvements with the Michelin tyres and a full year under their belts to understand and optimise the electronics that we see a closer championship then we did last year. 2015 was an exciting championship, not just because of all the controversy but also because the championship went all the way to the last round.

imunderandoverit · Mar 15, 2017

GVR1976 said:
Not sure but would be not logical because Vinales is already stronger in the testing season

Testing dont mean ..... It is to test new things, i.e. setups, components etc get a feel for the bike, get the rhythm back etc. Race day is a whole lot different.

Theo · Mar 22, 2017

I'm going to stick my neck out, Rossi will be stronger the first few races, then Vinales will have a good time, who will come top of these 2, I have no idea but I think they will win 2 or 3 races each. Marquez will win another championship. There might be a few others who win 1 race.

I want to see more wet races, sort the wheat from the chaff.

BTW it could well be a wet race here in Losail. Temps have dropped and the Arabic countries are now rain seeding.

a31burgervan · Mar 24, 2017

Predict Vinales to beat Rossi this year - Yam won't stop him - they didn't stop Lorenzo and he's the future, like garlic bread

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iNfRaSoNiC · Mar 25, 2017

Once again a "funny" one

Yamaha bikes and settings will be the same for both. If Maverick is faster and stronger then Vale should retire at the end of the season but a lots of people don't want that because the racing will lose its show.

Theo · Mar 25, 2017

iNfRaSoNiC said:
Once again a "funny" one
Yamaha bikes and settings will be the same for both. If Maverick is faster and stronger then Vale should retire at the end of the season but a lots of people don't want that because the racing will lose its show.

How do you think the settings will be the same for both bikes. The riders have different styles they weigh a different amount, Rossi is taller.Thren of course there are differences in positioning of gear levers, brakes, clutch, the list goes on and on.

a31burgervan · Mar 26, 2017

a31burgervan said:
Predict Vinales to beat Rossi this year - Yam won't stop him - they didn't stop Lorenzo and he's the future, like garlic bread

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Told ya !!! Hahahahahaha

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Zulu007 · Apr 2, 2017

BarryMachine said:
Given that yamaha love to back rossi over other team riders ......

are they crazy enough to hobble Vinales bike so that rossi has an unfair advantage over him?

They did it to Lorenzo after he anounced he was sick of the unfair advantage rossi gets from them ...... hence signed with Ducati ....... so can rossi cajole/pester them into hobbling Vinales efforts?

For Yamaha to do that would make zero sense.

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