Who could win on the best bike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think we will se a Lorenzo gp title before Dani gets one.

Possibly, but here and now Dani is better by a decent way

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Possibly, but here and now Dani is better by a decent way
Well that is great that you like him and think he is great. I can't stand the little .... and I think he is overrated.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well that is great that you like him and think he is great. I can't stand the little .... and I think he is overrated.
Great comment there. Really worthwhile.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Aug 27 2008, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great comment there. Really worthwhile.
Yeah it is a great comment and I feel really captures the essence of what I was trying to convey. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah it is a great comment and I feel really captures the essence of what I was trying to convey. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Aug 27 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
I just read an article on crash.net that Dovi is in talks with Suzuki. Paul Denning is saying it is just a rouse. Maybe he is doing this so he makes sure he gets the factory ride.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just read an article on crash.net that Dovi is in talks with Suzuki. Paul Denning is saying it is just a rouse. Maybe he is doing this so he makes sure he gets the factory ride.

Dovizioso is going nowhere.... Honda invested too much time and money in him to let him go anywhere. Only thing that might stop him from joining HRC is that little runt Dani Pedrosa not wanting Dovizioso for a team mate, and i don't think that idea is a far fetched one either. Dani wants to be Number 1 rider, if Dovizioso goes to HRC little dani is done for... in my book. We shall see how it plays out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 27 2008, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dovizioso is going nowhere.... Honda invested too much time and money in him to let him go anywhere. Only thing that might stop him from joining HRC is that little runt Dani Pedrosa not wanting Dovizioso for a team mate, and i don't think that idea is a far fetched one either. Dani wants to be Number 1 rider, if Dovizioso goes to HRC little dani is done for... in my book. We shall see how it plays out.
YEah that is why I think he has been saying other teams like Suzuki have been intrested in him. This is a posturing move I believe to make sure that Honda doesn't let him go just cause Danyell says he doesn't think he would be a good teammate or whatever suits himself in this matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just read an article on crash.net that Dovi is in talks with Suzuki. Paul Denning is saying it is just a rouse. Maybe he is doing this so he makes sure he gets the factory ride.
Could be a way to get his salary up for next year on the Honda.Suzuki would pay me much more...and so on.Just to have some reference what he is worth.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fortunately you don't get to put the riders anywhere, Dani is 52 points ahead of Lorenzo and 62 ahead of Dovi weather you like it or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And if you had watched 250cc racing you would have seen that Dani did more fighting for his two world titles than Lorenzo did for his. In my mind that says Loretnzo performed better and was more dominant than Dani, but it also puts to bed any doubts in Dani's passing ability.

When you describe Dani's merits you can't just avoid differences in weight and equipemnt. There can be no doubt that Dani's size helped him a lot more in 250. Not only are the rider weight a larger persentage of the whole in 250 compared with MotoGP but lacking power as 250's does make any weight difference so much more important. Finally, his fighting with other riders were almost only againt Aprilia bikes. The Honda 250 has allways had the better chassi and a lot more agile than the aprilia, and combined with his weight advantage I would say that made the fighting part a bit easier.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Aug 27 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could be a way to get his salary up for next year on the Honda.Suzuki would pay me much more...and so on.Just to have some reference what he is worth.
That is exactly what my thoughts were. Posturing I suppose is all he is trying to do here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 28 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>


When you describe Dani's merits you can't just avoid differences in weight and equipemnt. There can be no doubt that Dani's size helped him a lot more in 250. Not only are the rider weight a larger persentage of the whole in 250 compared with MotoGP but lacking power as 250's does make any weight difference so much more important. Finally, his fighting with other riders were almost only againt Aprilia bikes. The Honda 250 has allways had the better chassi and a lot more agile than the aprilia, and combined with his weight advantage I would say that made the fighting part a bit easier.

In forming my opinons about riders achievements i weigh up and include as many as possible of their advantages and disadvantages, thus making the most informed decision possible. I wouldn't claim to know "everything" or even to know more than anyone else (I have no idea what you know), but i can assure you that factors as basic as his bike, and his stature were considered.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 28 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In forming my opinons about riders achievements i weigh up and include as many as possible of their advantages and disadvantages, thus making the most informed decision possible. I wouldn't claim to know "everything" or even to know more than anyone else (I have no idea what you know), but i can assure you that factors as basic as his bike, and his stature were considered.

But it shows nowhere and you can consider all you want, but as long as you don't show it anywhere we can only assume you dropped those elements out of the equation out of convenincy, as so many here do some times.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 28 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But it shows nowhere and you can consider all you want, but as long as you don't show it anywhere we can only assume you dropped those elements out of the equation out of convenincy, as so many here do some times.

Well im sorry for not listing my entire thought process before posting an opinion. Of course now i have told you that i already knew Dani was riding a Honda and that he is small you can rest assured that my opinion is informed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 29 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well im sorry for not listing my entire thought process before posting an opinion. Of course now i have told you that i already knew Dani was riding a Honda and that he is small you can rest assured that my opinion is informed.
shut up tom you big poofta.

lorenzo on stones will kick ... i tell you. i think the reason its just him who is getting highsided is because he is faster than all the other michilin riders and is riding beyond there capability. put him on stones and theres a winner !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 29 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lorenzo on stones will kick ... i tell you. i think the reason its just him who is getting highsided is because he is faster than all the other michilin riders and is riding beyond there capability. put him on stones and theres a winner !

I agree with you. Lorenzo's high side at Laguna was directly related to his overconfidence in a tire that was performing like a warm turd that weekend. Lorenzo seems very Schwantz-esque, bin it or win it. I hated his egotistical attitude in the 250's (minus his celebrations which I found humorous), but since coming to GP he has matured into an affable rider. Give him some good tread and he will be a front runner, giving us all a much better race to watch. Bring on a control tire, the tire war is over.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 29 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>shut up tom you big poofta.

lorenzo on stones will kick ... i tell you. i think the reason its just him who is getting highsided is because he is faster than all the other michilin riders and is riding beyond there capability. put him on stones and theres a winner !

Lorenzo is good and i think hes gonna be a serious title contender in years to come, but he needs to iron out his faults, and then he can get on terms with the top 3.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 29 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lorenzo on stones will kick ... i tell you. i think the reason its just him who is getting highsided is because he is faster than all the other michilin riders and is riding beyond there capability. put him on stones and theres a winner !


Not so sure I would say that Lorenzo is 'faster' than the other Michelin runners, but would say that he is prepared to push beyond where the others stop. IMO, that makes him a better rider than those that stop pushing as first you must find the limits to even recognise that you are near them.

IMO, Lorenzo will win a World title but I only hope that he at no stage is asked by his team to play second fiddle to his current senior team-mate (in the ensuing years that is).

I posted in another forum that I feel that Lorenzo has not been helped by being the sole mIchelin runner in his team and I stand by that comment. He is in his rookie year in what is effectively a single rider factory team and he has produced extremely fast times with good early results.

I actually feel that he may need to fear Dovisioso more than Pedrosa both at the moment and in future years anyway as whilst I rate DP, I am beginning to question his fortitude to race when things aren't right.







Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 30 2008, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not so sure I would say that Lorenzo is 'faster' than the other Michelin runners, but would say that he is prepared to push beyond where the others stop. IMO, that makes him a better rider than those that stop pushing as first you must find the limits to even recognise that you are near them.

IMO, Lorenzo will win a World title but I only hope that he at no stage is asked by his team to play second fiddle to his current senior team-mate (in the ensuing years that is).

I posted in another forum that I feel that Lorenzo has not been helped by being the sole mIchelin runner in his team and I stand by that comment. He is in his rookie year in what is effectively a single rider factory team and he has produced extremely fast times with good early results.

I actually feel that he may need to fear Dovisioso more than Pedrosa both at the moment and in future years anyway as whilst I rate DP, I am beginning to question his fortitude to race when things aren't right.







Garry
yeah, i pretty much agree with most of this post although i still think the reason why its only lorenzo getting high sided is because he is faster than the rest which is too much for his tyres. you say its because he is willing to push eyond where the others stop so where not to far apart on this