Assuming that the three riders currently miles better than the others would still be on top equipment, I don't believe the world championship would go anywhere different. Race by race things would be different, but over a season i'd be surprised if the other riders could beat Dani, Vale and Casey. There are plenty of riders I can think of who might be championship material in the future, but not right now.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 24 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopper couldn't win a John Hopkins lookalike competition in downtown Tokyo.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 26 2008, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone could win (even the championship) on the best bike...
Assuming others had clearly worse bikes!
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Assuming others had clearly worse bikes!
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Edwards,don't know ,he has had many oportunities but never won.
Fair point but in 2003/4 his oppurtunities were what the RS3
,followed by an RCV that was dead bottom of the pile for upgrades (who won you two SBK championships Honda??).He was still one of the quickest preseason (race sim 30 seconds quicker round Phillip Island than Valentino on same bike in 2003
) but michelin 16.5 front got introduced and that was that.So hed already been in gps 2 years before he his factory Yamaha which Colins described as his been Valentinos bike on Valentinos tyres( his fault he signed on the dotted line for that contract i guess).He has had his chances just not that many really decent ones.
im such a fanboy
Edwards,don't know ,he has had many oportunities but never won.
Fair point but in 2003/4 his oppurtunities were what the RS3
im such a fanboy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assuming that the three riders currently miles better than the others would still be on top equipment, I don't believe the world championship would go anywhere different. Race by race things would be different, but over a season i'd be surprised if the other riders could beat Dani, Vale and Casey. There are plenty of riders I can think of who might be championship material in the future, but not right now.
HA. ONE thing we agree in
HA. ONE thing we agree in
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Aug 27 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He has had his chances just not that many really decent ones.
im such a fanboy
I think he's had a pretty decent run of jobs and chances. After the getting into motogp he earnt the chance to stay, and ride a race winning satellite bike, where most riders (especially from superbike) who ride sub-par equipment have shortlived careers. From his satellite Honda position he earnt himself a ride in what was arguably the best factory team at the time. Not only do i think he has had (on merrit) a good share of chances, I also think that in the greater scheme of things he has made a decent job of them.
im such a fanboy
I think he's had a pretty decent run of jobs and chances. After the getting into motogp he earnt the chance to stay, and ride a race winning satellite bike, where most riders (especially from superbike) who ride sub-par equipment have shortlived careers. From his satellite Honda position he earnt himself a ride in what was arguably the best factory team at the time. Not only do i think he has had (on merrit) a good share of chances, I also think that in the greater scheme of things he has made a decent job of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he's had a pretty decent run of jobs and chances. After the getting into motogp he earnt the chance to stay, and ride a race winning satellite bike, where most riders (especially from superbike) who ride sub-par equipment have shortlived careers. From his satellite Honda position he earnt himself a ride in what was arguably the best factory team at the time. Not only do i think he has had (on merrit) a good share of chances, I also think that in the greater scheme of things he has made a decent job of them.
Yeah consistently okay but nothing outstanding which is a shame the year on the Aprillia did him in ,hes even said he should have moved to Motogp sooner
Yeah consistently okay but nothing outstanding which is a shame the year on the Aprillia did him in ,hes even said he should have moved to Motogp sooner
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 26 2008, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I want to see more racing between Pedrosa and Stoner... i have a feeling Dani is better than him
Really?!
Stoner is a moto gp champ and second in the points this year so far. How in the world is little dani better?
Really?!
Stoner is a moto gp champ and second in the points this year so far. How in the world is little dani better?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is a moto gp champ and second in the points this year so far. How in the world is little dani better?
Perhaps he believes last year was an anomaly as Dani was significantly better than Casey in 05 and 06, and holds two more world championships.
Perhaps he believes last year was an anomaly as Dani was significantly better than Casey in 05 and 06, and holds two more world championships.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps he believes last year was an anomaly as Dani was significantly better than Casey in 05 and 06, and holds two more world championships.
I don't care about the 250's. That really aint moto gp to me. OK well if Dani is so great we shall see it the rest of the year I suppose. Just like last race huh cause he did so well. LOL he blows!
I don't care about the 250's. That really aint moto gp to me. OK well if Dani is so great we shall see it the rest of the year I suppose. Just like last race huh cause he did so well. LOL he blows!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't care about the 250's. That really aint moto gp to me. OK well if Dani is so great we shall see it the rest of the year I suppose. Just like last race huh cause he did so well. LOL he blows!
To say last years runner up and the current 3rd best rider in the world (miles ahead of 4th) blows is a pretty bold statement, and leaves me wondering how you feel about the majority of the racing world beneath him. I know motogp titles do not carry near the same weight as ones in the premier class but two of Dani's titles were won directly against Casey. You might also want to note in Dani's favour that he is closer to the championship lead now than Rossi was at this point last year with a similar Michelin deficit, and look where he is now.
To say last years runner up and the current 3rd best rider in the world (miles ahead of 4th) blows is a pretty bold statement, and leaves me wondering how you feel about the majority of the racing world beneath him. I know motogp titles do not carry near the same weight as ones in the premier class but two of Dani's titles were won directly against Casey. You might also want to note in Dani's favour that he is closer to the championship lead now than Rossi was at this point last year with a similar Michelin deficit, and look where he is now.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To say last years runner up and the current 3rd best rider in the world (miles ahead of 4th) blows is a pretty bold statement, and leaves me wondering how you feel about the majority of the racing world beneath him. I know motogp titles do not carry near the same weight as ones in the premier class but two of Dani's titles were won directly against Casey. You might also want to note in Dani's favour that he is closer to the championship lead now than Rossi was at this point last year with a similar Michelin deficit, and look where he is now.
Surely in the 250's he was doing better mainly due to the Honda factory up his ... to do well. We all know the proper support gives way to results. Look how Stoner won with his support.Danio is supposed to be the great Spanish rider that will bring glory to Spain and Repsol. He has hardly done what he is supposed to do. Now I know he is a good rider I just don't think he is better than Stoner. So I see it like this. Dani on a full factory squad for two years no title. Stoner in his second season gets a full factory ride and wins the title. Say all the .... you want about tires and how everyone elses team dropped the ball on dev whatever. HE still had to go out and win it.
Surely in the 250's he was doing better mainly due to the Honda factory up his ... to do well. We all know the proper support gives way to results. Look how Stoner won with his support.Danio is supposed to be the great Spanish rider that will bring glory to Spain and Repsol. He has hardly done what he is supposed to do. Now I know he is a good rider I just don't think he is better than Stoner. So I see it like this. Dani on a full factory squad for two years no title. Stoner in his second season gets a full factory ride and wins the title. Say all the .... you want about tires and how everyone elses team dropped the ball on dev whatever. HE still had to go out and win it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 25 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah ok that is why they have won more WSBK events and championships then ANYONE!!!! Plus the Ducati won the motogp championship last year in case you didn't hear. In addition to that look in movies commercials .... like that Matrix anyone. Ducati is world renown for elegance of style and forward thinking. The Jap bikes are throwawy machines. The designs suck so bad they know this that is why they change them every 2 years at least. ...... I'm tellin this to a guy who thinks ...... Shinya Nakano has a snowballs chance in hell to even win a race let alone a championship. And Honda has sucked in sbks for years now so I don't know what logic you have but it must be you were dropped on your head as a baby. LOL
Wow.
Using Ducati's WSBK history is quite dubious.
You may want to check out what happened when the Japanese (Honda) decided to build a twin and take it straight to Ducati.
When Ducati builds a 4 and wins a WSBK championship, then I'll take notice.
Wow.
Using Ducati's WSBK history is quite dubious.
You may want to check out what happened when the Japanese (Honda) decided to build a twin and take it straight to Ducati.
When Ducati builds a 4 and wins a WSBK championship, then I'll take notice.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 27 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Surely in the 250's he was doing better mainly due to the Honda factory up his ... to do well. We all know the proper support gives way to results. Look how Stoner won with his support.Danio is supposed to be the great Spanish rider that will bring glory to Spain and Repsol. He has hardly done what he is supposed to do. Now I know he is a good rider I just don't think he is better than Stoner. So I see it like this. Dani on a full factory squad for two years no title. Stoner in his second season gets a full factory ride and wins the title. Say all the .... you want about tires and how everyone elses team dropped the ball on dev whatever. HE still had to go out and win it.
Personally i think the difference between Honda and Aprilia is not as great as many believe as in recent years we've seen the Honda 250 win titles in the hands of the best riders just as we have the aprilias. I think Dani's better results in the smaller classes are to his merrit, just as i think Stoners world title was a result of his superior riding.
Personally i think the difference between Honda and Aprilia is not as great as many believe as in recent years we've seen the Honda 250 win titles in the hands of the best riders just as we have the aprilias. I think Dani's better results in the smaller classes are to his merrit, just as i think Stoners world title was a result of his superior riding.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To say last years runner up and the current 3rd best rider in the world (miles ahead of 4th) blows is a pretty bold statement, and leaves me wondering how you feel about the majority of the racing world beneath him.
so you're saying miles ahead of Jorge Lorenzo and Andrea Doviziso?? i don't think so. If anything i put Dani below those 2. Little Dani is only fast when his bike is setup perfectly. He doesnt know how to ride around a problem if the bike is acting up. In fact little Dani hasn't even shown that he's capable of mixing it up in a battle, showing that he knows all the 'tricks' in passing, not saying he doesn't know just saying i haven't really seen it. He only wins when he takes off and leads the race, but when he is trailing.... he has yet to show that he can somehow dig deep down inside and show the spirit of a racer .
Once Jorge Lorenzo and Andrea Dovizioso settle down a bit..., Little Dani is going to have his ... handed to him. I just don't see the fighting spirit in Dani, although i do think he is a fast little bugger.
so you're saying miles ahead of Jorge Lorenzo and Andrea Doviziso?? i don't think so. If anything i put Dani below those 2. Little Dani is only fast when his bike is setup perfectly. He doesnt know how to ride around a problem if the bike is acting up. In fact little Dani hasn't even shown that he's capable of mixing it up in a battle, showing that he knows all the 'tricks' in passing, not saying he doesn't know just saying i haven't really seen it. He only wins when he takes off and leads the race, but when he is trailing.... he has yet to show that he can somehow dig deep down inside and show the spirit of a racer .
Once Jorge Lorenzo and Andrea Dovizioso settle down a bit..., Little Dani is going to have his ... handed to him. I just don't see the fighting spirit in Dani, although i do think he is a fast little bugger.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 27 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so you're saying miles ahead of Jorge Lorenzo and Andrea Doviziso?? i don't think so. If anything i put Dani below those 2.
In fact little Dani hasn't even shown that he's capable of mixing it up in a battle, showing that he knows all the 'tricks' in passing, not saying he doesn't know just saying i haven't really seen it.
Fortunately you don't get to put the riders anywhere, Dani is 52 points ahead of Lorenzo and 62 ahead of Dovi weather you like it or not.
And if you had watched 250cc racing you would have seen that Dani did more fighting for his two world titles than Lorenzo did for his. In my mind that says Lorenzo performed better and was more dominant than Dani, but it also puts to bed any doubts in Dani's passing ability.
In fact little Dani hasn't even shown that he's capable of mixing it up in a battle, showing that he knows all the 'tricks' in passing, not saying he doesn't know just saying i haven't really seen it.
Fortunately you don't get to put the riders anywhere, Dani is 52 points ahead of Lorenzo and 62 ahead of Dovi weather you like it or not.
And if you had watched 250cc racing you would have seen that Dani did more fighting for his two world titles than Lorenzo did for his. In my mind that says Lorenzo performed better and was more dominant than Dani, but it also puts to bed any doubts in Dani's passing ability.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 27 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fortunately you don't get to put the riders anywhere, Dani is 52 points ahead of Lorenzo and 62 ahead of Dovi weather you like it or not.
And if you had watched 250cc racing you would have seen that Dani did more fighting for his two world titles than Lorenzo did for his. In my mind that says Lorenzo performed better and was more dominant than Dani, but it also puts to bed any doubts in Dani's passing ability.
I think we will se a Lorenzo gp title before Dani gets one.
And if you had watched 250cc racing you would have seen that Dani did more fighting for his two world titles than Lorenzo did for his. In my mind that says Lorenzo performed better and was more dominant than Dani, but it also puts to bed any doubts in Dani's passing ability.
I think we will se a Lorenzo gp title before Dani gets one.
