Who could win on the best bike?

We have all heard that this rider or that rider only wins because they are on the besty bike. It is said of Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa etc.

So my question is who else besides Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa can win races and championships if they had the best bike?

I will start the ball rolling:

Win races:
Hayden
Vermulen
Melandri
Lorenzo
Dovisioso
West

Championships:
Vermulen
Hayden
Dovisioso

Comments please...

Oh,and sorry off the topic, ever noticed how Stoner is always the last person to take up his grid position - even when he is on pole? Why would he do that ?

Thanks.

win races:
Hayden
Elias
Melandri
Dovi
Hopper
Verme
Capi

Championships:
Hayden
Melandri
Dovi
Capi

I think the person who has suffered the worst fate as a result of inferior equipment is John Hopkins. When he signed with Suzuki it was supposed to lead to great era in Suzuki GP, instead it was the immediate termination of his upward mobility within the sport and the termination of KRJR's career.

Now Hopkins races almost solely for the cash.

Win races:
All of the above ++

Win championships (right now):
none.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 24 2008, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We have all heard that this rider or that rider only wins because they are on the besty bike. It is said of Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa etc.

So my question is who else besides Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa can win races and championships if they had the best bike?

I will start the ball rolling:

Win races:
Hayden
Vermulen
Melandri
Lorenzo
Dovisioso
West

Championships:
Vermulen
Hayden
Dovisioso

Comments please...

Oh,and sorry off the topic, ever noticed how Stoner is always the last person to take up his grid position - even when he is on pole? Why would he do that ?

Thanks.
+1 I don't see much else except hopper. I think he would be able to win races and a championship.

As for why Stoner is the last one to stage on the grid is beacuse he keeps his tires just a bit warmer than everyone else and also it has a bit of a psychalogical effect.

all above + Edwards 5 years ago if hed been on HRC repsol RCV,but now no way

i think lorenzo. he has the bike just need's some decent boots for it.

Not very many.. and Hayden doesn't make my list for reasons already known.

win races:
Melandri
Dovi
Verme
Elias

Championships:
Melandri
Dovi

It all depends on your definition of the best bike to be honest. Personally I think they all could with the exception of West (too thick imho), DePuniet (stop crashing buddy), DeAngelis (ditto DePuniet) and anything Kawaski it seems.

All the rest KNOW how to win a championship and races. It could be argued that Stoner has the best bike but it seems he's the only one that can ride it. Rossi has a great bike and the right tires but he's using all his skill and experience to keep it up there. Maybe the Suzuki is good too but how will we ever know given that their riders may not suit the bike itself?

To answer your question, I think Rossi proved that the rider makes the difference when he swithced to Yamaha and won straight away. Biaggi, Barros, Checa and Melandri couldn't ride the thing at all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1 I don't see much else except hopper. I think he would be able to win races and a championship.

As for why Stoner is the last one to stage on the grid is beacuse he keeps his tires just a bit warmer than everyone else and also it has a bit of a psychalogical effect.


Hopper couldn't win a John Hopkins lookalike competition in downtown Tokyo.


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 24 2008, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We have all heard that this rider or that rider only wins because they are on the besty bike. It is said of Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa etc.

So my question is who else besides Rossi, Stoner and Pedrosa can win races and championships if they had the best bike?

I will start the ball rolling:

Win races:
Hayden
Vermulen
Melandri
Lorenzo
Dovisioso
West

Championships:
Vermulen
Hayden
Dovisioso

Comments please...

Oh,and sorry off the topic, ever noticed how Stoner is always the last person to take up his grid position - even when he is on pole? Why would he do that ?

Thanks.
That would depend.If the all other riders had worse bikes and one rider had the best ,he would win.
Just about every one could win on the best bike,team and tires who is top 7 or something.It also depends on if the bike is the best for that rider or the best bike technically.
I would guess the Yamaha is the best bike and will be the best bike 2008.Sure the Ducati has maybe a little better acceleration/top speed but if you have an advantage in braking,in turns and a nimble bike to help you passing other riders ,i would go for that.
Who would win on a Factory Yamaha developed for you with Bridgestone tires if it suited your style?(best bike ,best tires)
That would be riders good at racing and doing passes,using what they got for race day in the best way.
Dovisioso
Lorenzo
Capirossi
Maybe Vermulen
Maybe Melandri
Maybe Hayden.
Edwards,don't know ,he has had many oportunities but never won.

Stoner likes to keep his tires as warm as possible when the start is.They don't have as much time to cool down if he is the last one to line up,compared to the others.

Win races:
Dovizioso
Lorenzo
Melandri
Hayden
Elias

Win championships:
Dovizioso
Lorenzo
Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 24 2008, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopper couldn't win a John Hopkins lookalike competition in downtown Tokyo.


Pete


Not sure why making fun of Hopkins makes me smile so much. Can't wait to see Melandri make him look pedestrian so Johnny has a reason to hide those awful chicklets.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 24 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Win races:
Dovizioso
Lorenzo
Melandri
Hayden
Elias

Win championships:
Dovizioso
Lorenzo
Hayden




Not sure why making fun of Hopkins makes me smile so much. Can't wait to see Melandri make him look pedestrian so Johnny has a reason to hide those awful chicklets.
Those are some ...... up teeth. I think they are fake. He would be great if given the right chance without the injuries. He is very underrated but I know no one here believes that unless he shows something soon. Did pretty well first time back after the injury with his qualifing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Those are some ...... up teeth. I think they are fake. He would be great if given the right chance without the injuries. He is very underrated but I know no one here believes that unless he shows something soon. Did pretty well first time back after the injury with his qualifing.

The guy is fast early on but always fade away in the latter stage of the race. He does seem to be pushing the bike to it's limit everytime he rides it and does qualify pretty well...., but still he just doesn't have that "it" factor. And no matter how hard you look at it and try to analyze it.... it just doesn't work out in the end. But hey the guy can sure do wheelies though.... but still, wheelies aint going to help you get wins.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The guy is fast early on but always fade away in the latter stage of the race. He does seem to be pushing the bike to it's limit everytime he rides it and does qualify pretty well...., but still he just doesn't have that "it" factor. And no matter how hard you look at it and try to analyze it.... it just doesn't work out in the end. But hey the guy can sure do wheelies though.... but still, wheelies aint going to help you get wins.
He is way better than Nakano.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is way better than Nakano.

and Ducati's are piece of .... bikes. See, everyone has an opinion. Sadly for you that wasn't an opinion, because... those in the know, KNOW that Ducati's are overpriced piece of turd.

I agree with others that there is not necessarily a single bike which would be best for every rider; I strongly doubt that stoner would be as fast as rossi on a yamaha even on bridgestones, but rossi possibly might not be as fast as stoner on a ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Aug 25 2008, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To answer your question, I think Rossi proved that the rider makes the difference when he swithced to Yamaha and won straight away. Biaggi, Barros, Checa and Melandri couldn't ride the thing at all.

Just like Stoner and the Ducati, 7 from 8 suck on it. The rider is the only logical difference.

Who could win championships at this level?

Stoner and Rossi. Maybe Dani and Jorge when he's not doing superman impersonations, Dovi maybe - too many young fast guys for Nicki to win consistently

Who would win races – those 6 plus maybe a few of the wet weather riders.

A lot of riders in that field have had opportunities on factory bikes and haven’t capitalised. Whatever the x-factor is that makes a rider win at this level they didn’t have. But for a fluke or rainy day a lot of riders wouldn’t ever stand on the top step - winning because the “winner” didn’t win for some reason that day.

I think the idea that everyone out there is going to win a championship is a somewhat romanticised idea; I like it, but recognise it for a good story and little else.

Also an “equal bike” is perhaps not an identical bike, but everyone sitting on a bike that best suits their style. This is the great challenge of the manufacturer, the identical Ducati can win a race or come last, but the last guy on that Ducati can win on a Honda. The equal bike is a delusional dream or at best a rather fluid abstraction pretending to be a solid argument. It is whatever suits a particular protagonist at a particular time and nothing more and not too many people have successfully ridden it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 25 2008, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and Ducati's are piece of .... bikes. See, everyone has an opinion. Sadly for you that wasn't an opinion, because... those in the know, KNOW that Ducati's are overpriced piece of turd.
Yeah ok that is why they have won more WSBK events and championships then ANYONE!!!! Plus the Ducati won the motogp championship last year in case you didn't hear. In addition to that look in movies commercials .... like that Matrix anyone. Ducati is world renown for elegance of style and forward thinking. The Jap bikes are throwawy machines. The designs suck so bad they know this that is why they change them every 2 years at least. ...... I'm tellin this to a guy who thinks ...... Shinya Nakano has a snowballs chance in hell to even win a race let alone a championship. And Honda has sucked in sbks for years now so I don't know what logic you have but it must be you were dropped on your head as a baby. LOL

Actually when i come to think about it,every factory rider will in a few years hopefully have their best bike.
If there is no big change of rules like control/No TC or different displacement(Very unlikely anyway).
Look at how even the bikes were in 2006,almost just as good no matter which bike,just different to riders with different taste/style.Could be the case maybe?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 24 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Those are some ...... up teeth. I think they are fake. He would be great if given the right chance without the injuries. He is very underrated but I know no one here believes that unless he shows something soon. Did pretty well first time back after the injury with his qualifing.

Hopkins 1st generation American born to British parents---dental work was in his future whether he liked it or not.

You THINK they are fake!

Watch Faster again. You will see his real teeth. I'm glad he got dental work.