What was the trade off

“This world doesn’t have clear rules. They talk about cost saving measures and at Christmas the Federation increased the minimum weight from 153 kg to 157 kg to benefit someone. Now we have to re-think about re-balancing the bike and this will surely cost money that even the privateers will have to pay. It doesn’t make sense.”

-off twowheels



[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Apparently he said this to the italian media. Who do u guys think he is talking about ?[/font]



[font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]On another note....Cant the guy just be happy for once? He just destroyed that test [/font][font=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif] [/font]

Wait...let me guess, its to suit the Ducati isn't it!



To be fair i don't get it either, theyre sposed to be trying to save costs, yet various teams are going to have to spend yet more cash to get the bikes that little bit more efficient.

They all knew the rules were going to take a while to be completed for this season. They could have waited, the head start hurt them this time. They aren't being punished because they have plenty of time to continue developing. Casey is just being Casey. Not to mention they all knew there would be new tires, and they would have to make adjustments for the tires.

povol said:

Not to mention the tons of money involved to re balance the bike. Im guessing after the total rebuild of the Ducati, it was determined that for it to have the front end feel Rossi was looking for, it needed the extra weight to balance the bike.



Im just wondering why Honda and Yamaha agreed to it.

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ur mostly likely correct...but even if that were how would casey really no for sure that is the case

The engine rules were announced in 2010, as the engine takes longest to build, the rest of the rules have been coming more slow. Don't forget the MSMA has lost a lot of it's power, hello CRT. The truth is Casey is the only person crying about this, non of these bikes are close to being finished and the factories will be spending money all year and updating the bikes. To cry about money when you have $600,000.00 transmission is a ....... joke

povol said:

Thats nonsense, the rules were announced in 2010, were they supposed to wait until Christmas of 2011 to start development. Plus, the new tires were supposed to be the ones they tested last year, not something totally different and new that was designed for the late to be introduced Ducati. There always seems to be stench involved when it comes to tech regs and Ducati in the racing world. Now with the meal ticket on a Ducati, the smell is becoming overwhelming.

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You stoner fans are so pathetic, go to gp one and look at who the weight rules were for, it wasn't Duc it was CRT bikes. Casey can thank Honda for this mess, they were told make the bikes cheaper or we will

povol said:

Im sure there was considerable amounts of discussion in the paddock as to why everything they worked towards for a year was tossed upside down. I can imagine it went something like, " ....... Ducati and Carmen are threatening the nuclear option unless we agree to new weight standards and a new tire developed for your highness"

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povol said:

Im sure there was considerable amounts of discussion in the paddock as to why everything they worked towards for a year was tossed upside down. I can imagine it went something like, " ....... Ducati and Carmen are threatening the nuclear option unless we agree to new weight standards and a new tire developed for your highness"

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i thought the tyre for safety reasons is for the rear and not the front?



well thats what i asumed from edwards comments.



your getting way carried away the conspiracy things

povol said:

Im sure there was considerable amounts of discussion in the paddock as to why everything they worked towards for a year was tossed upside down. I can imagine it went something like, " ....... Ducati and Carmen are threatening the nuclear option unless we agree to new weight standards and a new tire developed for your highness"

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Pov, I'm not sure when it happened, but when did you go all Mental Anarchist on here? I've said many times that Rossi's influence on the sport has been excessive, but dude, even I don't blame everything on him. hahaha. When I read about the new weight limits, my first thought was CRT not Rossi/Ducati. I thought you, who has been obsessed with hating CRTs would have thought about that first rather than condemning Rossi/Ducati.

jazkat said:

i thought the tyre for safety reasons is for the rear and not the front? well thats what i asumed from edwards comments. your getting way carried away the conspiracy things

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Some peeps have conveniently forgot that multiple riders complained about particulars in tire performance. Now that they got the change they requested, the conspiracy is complete.

It wouldn't surprise me if Honda knew there could be a weight increase and have the parts ready for next test.Having them designed and made just in time.This first Sepang test could have been to get data on the old frame or whatever they change.

It would surprise me alot if Honda didn't have a clue it was comming.

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Pov, I'm not sure when it happened, but when did you go all Mental Anarchist on here? I've said many times that Rossi's influence on the sport has been excessive, but dude, even I don't blame everything on him. hahaha. When I read about the new weight limits, my first thought was CRT not Rossi/Ducati. I thought you, who has been obsessed with hating CRTs would have thought about that first rather than condemning Rossi/Ducati.

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His hatred for all things Rossi has a 5-year headstart on CRT's



Back to more intelligent discussion, Casey is just bitching about CRT's again a little more indirectly now, of course he is not going to be happy if any of his advantages are removed, Casey doesn't care who watches the sport or where the money comes from-all he cares about is winning by the greatest possible margin-which in a sense is admirable. Luckily most feel the opposite.



Honda and Yamaha, especially Yamaha did not oppose the weight restriction because they need their bikes on screen to as many viewers as possible (winning preferably but or not essential-that's the game these days)- in 2011 those viewing numbers decreased alarmingly-something has to be done to improve the competition and the spectacle in order to pay the bills, their sponsors demand it-and Yamaha is a classic case of what happens when this can't be delivered. No one is going to continue to pay for all of this wizz-bang technology if its as boring to watch as 2011-simple.



Dorna have 5-6 riders in Motogp capable of fighting it out every round if their machinery is at a similar level, Dorna are trying to ensure that this scenario has the best possible chance of happening. IMO there is nothing wrong with Dorna trying to prevent Honda from outspending their way to another title, especially when the paying public is switching off and walking away. I say good on them for trying to save the sport, we spend a lot of time ridiculing the powers that be, but for once they are seriously addressing the issues and even more impressive, they are admitting that the whole 800cc era was a balls up.



The bikes should fall into a class of weight and power that is more user friendly to a wider range of rider in order for different physical attributes to be allowed to thrive and greatly increase the chance of fairer, closer competition, not equal---fair. The 800cc era was heavily dominated by very small, very light riders, Rossi being the only exception, the combination of fuel limit, higher corner speed, smaller machines/fairings and peaky power delivery all lead to the inevitable results-All larger riders that were there in the 990 era lost loads of weight in order to compete on the 800's-this is fact- a simple look at Nicky and Rossi in 2006 compared with last season highlights this. The CRT formula in essence can address this, along with the more important cost issue. And adding weight and more power to the bikes is a masterstroke IMO. Hopefully it will have the desired effect.



This series needs to move with the times, it needs to adjust and attempt to fix its flaws. So far they are doing well and are at least reacting to the issues..........now Ezy about those Tires and fuel limit.......

Rossi's IDEA Plain and simple Casey and the bonners etc will have to live with it .

i think Krop mutted on it at his mottomatters valencia 2011 test summary about weight and the distribution of it ? not sure though





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By Germain Garcia Casanova



The key is in weight. The Ducati masterstroke in asking the World MotoGP promoters an increase of minimum weight of the new 1000cc bikes, moved to request that Dorna FIM, manufacturers and pilots and it was incredibly approved the overnight (the request was after the Valencia GP), has revealed after the first test of the preseason is a 'law anti-Honda' motorbikes since the golden wing team are the only ones that do not improve, or do so little about his time last season.



When Valentino Rossi suggested, during the Grand Prix of Valencia, the new 1000cc should weigh a little more to make a competitive bike Ducati was not a gathering of bar comment. Valentino knew very well to say what Ducati had already done the 'suggestion' to Dorna, and more importantly, I knew that Honda had already 'packaged' the new RC213V weight ciñéndola establishing the rules so far. After the change of standard fattening of four kilos, Honda has not 'unpack' your motorbike, shot a torpedo, a missile, a shell ... and not know how many things have been said that it was, but simply added weight, while Yamaha has completed the preparation of the new M1 aware of a new standard of weight, and of course the Ducati brand new made from November until now..more on the linky ^^^

extra weight for the protos makes them closer to the CRT's. If Dorna are planning to go towards more crt's expect more "little rule additions".



4 kg has little to do with the balance of the bike, they could apply that to the rider if Ducati were really worried.