What is the status of Suzuki for 2012?

lad · Oct 29, 2011

The Suzuki 4stroke has always seamed to handle well despite its obvious power deficiency. It looks to me like the engine has been sorted this year at least compared to Ducati and so can run top 5 pace on some occasions because of the sheer numbers of Ducatis on the grid. However the Suzuki thing is still .... (compared to Honda & Yamaha) which is why Bautista has thrown it down the road when attempting to 'race' just as Rossi has with his .... bike when he has attempted to have a go this year.

I hope they don't go and can agree to put Hopkins back on it as a team mate to Bautista - hey maybe DORNA can pull some money out of their greedy ....... pockets and give Suzuki some support to make it happen and perhaps keep their imploding series alive???? yeah right...

The episode where Hopkins was kicking his bike by the side of the track after the engine let go still makes me smile.

michaelm · Oct 29, 2011

lad said:
The Suzuki 4stroke has always seamed to handle well despite its obvious power deficiency. It looks to me like the engine has been sorted this year at least compared to Ducati and so can run top 5 pace on some occasions because of the sheer numbers of Ducatis on the grid. However the Suzuki thing is still .... (compared to Honda & Yamaha) which is why Bautista has thrown it down the road when attempting to 'race' just as Rossi has with his .... bike when he has attempted to have a go this year.

I hope they don't go and can agree to put Hopkins back on it as a team mate to Bautista - hey maybe DORNA can pull some money out of their greedy ....... pockets and give Suzuki some support to make it happen and perhaps keep their imploding series alive???? yeah right...

The episode where Hopkins was kicking his bike by the side of the track after the engine let go still makes me smile.

It has been said a significant contributor to suzuki's non-competitiveness, as with ducati, has been the post 2007 bridgestones and particularly the bridgestone control tyre, unsurprisingly since like ducati they had co-developed their bike for several years with bridgestone. The 2007 bike was actually fairly competitive on the high-tech 2007 bridgestone tyre , with 4th in the championship for hopkins, dry podiums for both riders, and a win for vermeulen albeit in the wet.

Baffy · Oct 30, 2011

lad said:
I hope they don't go and can agree to put Hopkins back on it as a team mate to Bautista - hey maybe DORNA can pull some money out of their greedy ....... pockets and give Suzuki some support to make it happen and perhaps keep their imploding series alive???? yeah right...

From memory the powers that be already gave them a 'free' pass this year by letting them run a single bike (whilst still being a 'factory' team) on the condition that they field 2 in 2012?

Austin · Oct 30, 2011

Baffy said:
From memory the powers that be already gave them a 'free' pass this year by letting them run a single bike (whilst still being a 'factory' team) on the condition that they field 2 in 2012?

I believe they're also not subject to the six engine rule. I believe they're getting nine.

Mental Anarchist · Oct 30, 2011

Austin said:
I believe they're also not subject to the six engine rule. I believe they're getting nine.

Ducati will get this same rule applied at the end of 2012 as they won't have won a race for 2 years!

Kropotkin · Oct 31, 2011

Austin said:
I believe they're also not subject to the six engine rule. I believe they're getting nine.

That was a one-off for 2010, they're on 6 engines now, same as the rest. And the 9 engines is only for factories that haven't been in the series for several years (since 2005, if memory serves).

Austin · Oct 31, 2011

Kropotkin said:
That was a one-off for 2010, they're on 6 engines now, same as the rest. And the 9 engines is only for factories that haven't been in the series for several years (since 2005, if memory serves).

Cazzo.

hawkdriver · Oct 31, 2011

Yes, and that was because the Suzuki engine was designed before the rule change and required the valve cover to be taken off for adjustments, they couldn't redesign in time for the season start so they were allowed more engines.

Kropotkin said:
That was a one-off for 2010, they're on 6 engines now, same as the rest. And the 9 engines is only for factories that haven't been in the series for several years (since 2005, if memory serves).

allthatflash · Oct 31, 2011

Well the way I see it I don't think Suzuki will be gone, thay already bumped to WSBK next year and I think they will start the 2012 season on a 800 and then move to a 1000cc bike later one in the season, If anyone can make a decent 1000 it's Suzuki imo. As for Hopper I know he loves Suzuki but hey I ride in GP is just that a ride in GP and i wouldn't wait this long to move forward and jump on a Honda......The bike is actually pretty damn good and he can't go wrong with that imo. But hey this is racing and as you all can see anything can happen. Glad to see Hayes has been givien the oppertunity to ride a GP bike

Pigeon · Nov 1, 2011

Still no word ? what a joke

Jumkie · Nov 1, 2011

Answering to the inquiry as to the status of Suzuki, you said:

Kropotkin said:
It all got conveniently forgotten in the tragedy. No word yet. ...

I replied,

Jumkie said:
Im not sure i'd call it "conveniently" forgotten during tragic event. Sometimes its correct for the circus to pause.

…

To which you took exception:

Kropotkin said:
Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you. That's all I'm saying.

One thing I like about you (and there are several) is your willingness to be bold in your opinions, and you generally stick to them. Trying to weasel out of your characterization of Suzuki here was a bit unexpected. You’re the wordsmith, right, so it’s not a surprise that you carefully chose to characterize Suzuki’s silence during the few days of mourning for Marco as “convenient” that is, using the situation to buy time. Lets not brush away the connotation with a cute dig shall we. I thought it was an unfair characterization. Or, perhaps it was a haphazard characterization, an easy clarification like; “perhaps ‘conveniently’ is not the best way to describe it, bla bla”. As we often do here on a forum when typing our thoughts on the fly. However, if this is what you actually meant to suggest, then I still think it was a misrepresentation of the situation, and you are insensitive to this, since for a few days most people were simply preoccupied with the tragedy. I say simply because I doubt some Suzuki executive was thinking, hey this will buy me some time. Absent a simple clarification, makes me think you have too much pride to clarify. Or worse, you actually think you were right in your characterization of Suzuki, in which case your reply came as a mere deflection. So your reply to me saying I’m just being “paranoid”, as if to say I’m mistaken, was a bit unexpected, in that you usually have the balls to stick to your original opinions.

You’re trying to say I’m just imagining your lack of sensitivity toward Suzuki's plight. Its quite obvious when one characterizes something as “convenient”; you are saying Suzuki was using Marco’s death to buy themselves some time, as if to say, it all got “conveniently” swept under the rug. Otherwise why use the word “convenient” to characterize their lack of dispensing information? What the hell is “convenient” about that? Why qualify it in such a way? Of all people in the know, you should be aware they’ve been quiet for some time now, even before the tragic event and probably wouldn’t have said .... this week or last week whether or not there had been a death in the sport. You even said it yourself, nothing would get sorted until Valencia. Do you disagree with this? I think you mischaracterized it, I simply said I think it’s a bit much to describe it as “convenient”, which prompted you to call me paranoid? Stick to your opinions buddy, don’t ..... out now, “that’s all I’m saying”.

Mental Anarchist · Nov 1, 2011

Jumkie said:
Answering to the inquiry as to the status of Suzuki, you said: I replied, To which you took exception: One thing I like about you (and there are several) is your willingness to be bold in your opinions, and you generally stick to them. Trying to weasel out of your characterization of Suzuki here was a bit unexpected. You’re the wordsmith, right, so it’s not a surprise that you carefully chose to characterize Suzuki’s silence during the few days of mourning for Marco as “convenient” that is, using the situation to buy time. Lets not brush away the connotation with a cute dig shall we. I thought it was an unfair characterization. Or, perhaps it was a haphazard characterization, an easy clarification like; “perhaps ‘conveniently’ is not the best way to describe it, bla bla”. As we often do here on a forum when typing our thoughts on the fly. However, if this is what you actually meant to suggest, then I still think it was a misrepresentation of the situation, and you are insensitive to this, since for a few days most people were simply preoccupied with the tragedy. I say simply because I doubt some Suzuki executive was thinking, hey this will buy me some time. Absent a simple clarification, makes me think you have too much pride to clarify. Or worse, you actually think you were right in your characterization of Suzuki, in which case your reply came as a mere deflection. So your reply to me saying I’m just being “paranoid”, as if to say I’m mistaken, was a bit unexpected, in that you usually have the balls to stick to your original opinions. You’re trying to say I’m just imagining your lack of sensitivity toward Suzuki's plight. Its quite obvious when one characterizes something as “convenient”; you are saying Suzuki was using Marco’s death to buy themselves some time, as if to say, it all got “conveniently” swept under the rug. Otherwise why use the word “convenient” to characterize their lack of dispensing information? What the hell is “convenient” about that? Why qualify it in such a way? Of all people in the know, you should be aware they’ve been quiet for some time now, even before the tragic event and probably wouldn’t have said .... this week or last week whether or not there had been a death in the sport. You even said it yourself, nothing would get sorted until Valencia. Do you disagree with this? I think you mischaracterized it, I simply said I think it’s a bit much to describe it as “convenient”, which prompted you to call me paranoid? Stick to your opinions buddy, don’t ..... out now, “that’s all I’m saying”.

Don't tell me Jum that you know what Suzuki are 'thinking'?

Jumkie · Nov 1, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
Don't tell me Jum that you know what Suzuki are 'thinking'?

No, but it seems Kropo does.

Kropotkin · Nov 1, 2011

It was very convenient for the rest of the world to have something to talk about over the past couple of weeks. It gave Paul Denning a chance to hammer the phones to Hamamatsu without the world's media breathing down his neck. Now the heat is on Suzuki again. I was just being cynical, is all. It appears you misunderstood me, and assigned much nobler intentions to me than I had.

Jumkie · Nov 1, 2011

Kropotkin said:
It was very convenient for the rest of the world to have something to talk about over the past couple of weeks. It gave Paul Denning a chance to hammer the phones to Hamamatsu without the world's media breathing down his neck. Now the heat is on Suzuki again. I was just being cynical, is all. It appears you misunderstood me, and assigned much nobler intentions to me than I had.

What you did there...I see it.

chopperman · Nov 1, 2011

Kropotkin said:
It was very convenient for the rest of the world to have something to talk about over the past couple of weeks. It gave Paul Denning a chance to hammer the phones to Hamamatsu without the world's media breathing down his neck. Now the heat is on Suzuki again. I was just being cynical, is all. It appears you misunderstood me, and assigned much nobler intentions to me than I had.

Damn. Now ive seen some spin in my time but this takes the biscuit !

Mick D · Nov 1, 2011

Jumkie said:
I doubt some Suzuki executive was thinking, hey this will buy me some time.

Jum, you actually doubt some corporate suit would use a tragedy to their benefit? Cummon - In the corporate world tragedies are seen as "opportunities". I have no doubt that Simo's passing could have been used to corporate advantage... whether Suzuki (or Denning) did or not I have no idea.

chopperman · Nov 1, 2011

Mick D said:
Jum, you actually doubt some corporate suit would use a tragedy to their benefit? Cummon - In the corporate world tragedies are seen as "opportunities". I have no doubt that Simo's passing could have been used to corporate advantage... whether Suzuki (or Denning) did or not I have no idea.

Some might, some not. I dont think it's fair to assume the worst without proof. Do you ?

Kropotkin · Nov 1, 2011

chopperman said:
Damn. Now ive seen some spin in my time but this takes the biscuit !

"It's now a very good day to get out anything we want to bury. Councillors' expenses?"

chopperman · Nov 1, 2011

Kropotkin said:
"It's now a very good day to get out anything we want to bury. Councillors' expenses?"

Yeah, there's a lot of that going about lately

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