I think it's due to him not wanting the pressure of being the preeminent Italian rider riding the premiere Italian bike. I have no doubt he would be competitive on a Ducati and would be the same championship caliber rider he is now/has been.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 28 2010, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think it's due to him not wanting the pressure of being the preeminent Italian rider riding the premiere Italian bike. I have no doubt he would be competitive on a Ducati and would be the same championship caliber rider he is now/has been.
Easy. Rossi thinks he's too good to ride an Italian motorcycle though he is italian himself, that's how big his head is. He rather take all the glory of Italy than to share it with Ducati, plain and simple.
Easy. Rossi thinks he's too good to ride an Italian motorcycle though he is italian himself, that's how big his head is. He rather take all the glory of Italy than to share it with Ducati, plain and simple.
I think Rossi has seen the mentality of Ducati and it is like Honda. He doesn't want to work in that atmosphere. I don't think he can manipulate Ducati/Honda the way he has a bit of a hold Yamaha.
Bike wise: I don't think He will be as competitive on the Ducati as he is on the Yamaha. On top of not being competitive right out the gate, Ducati will give Rossi a bike for him to ride instead of making a bike around what Rossi wants..
Bike wise: I don't think He will be as competitive on the Ducati as he is on the Yamaha. On top of not being competitive right out the gate, Ducati will give Rossi a bike for him to ride instead of making a bike around what Rossi wants..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 29 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have no doubt he would be competitive on a Ducati and would be the same championship caliber rider he is now/has been.
Its because he knows this is very likely wrong, the Melandri episode showed him that. And if he did not get JB to go ..... well its all over. And Rossi does not want to retire a "back of the pack" rider.
And in fact if he did, I have this funny feeling JB and crew would use the move as an oportunity to jump ship to Stoner. Wherever he goes
It will never happen cos he is on a pretty sure thing on the Yam. with JB and crew.
Its because he knows this is very likely wrong, the Melandri episode showed him that. And if he did not get JB to go ..... well its all over. And Rossi does not want to retire a "back of the pack" rider.
And in fact if he did, I have this funny feeling JB and crew would use the move as an oportunity to jump ship to Stoner. Wherever he goes
It will never happen cos he is on a pretty sure thing on the Yam. with JB and crew.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 28 2010, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its because he knows this is very likely wrong, the Melandri episode showed him that. And if he did not get JB to go ..... well its all over.
Um comparing Melandri and Rossi? Are they even in the same league?
Great riders can adapt. Rossi can develop a competitive bike as shown in the past. Him being dead in the water on a Ducati would just be a doubtful proposition in my opinion.
Um comparing Melandri and Rossi? Are they even in the same league?
Great riders can adapt. Rossi can develop a competitive bike as shown in the past. Him being dead in the water on a Ducati would just be a doubtful proposition in my opinion.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 29 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Um comparing Melandri and Rossi? Are they even in the same league?
Very simillar riders.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 29 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi can develop a competitive bike as shown in the past.
This is why he NEEDS JB.
Without JB and crew he would just have been another rider.He went to great lengths to get them to go to Yam with him, and in fact would not go without them ....... its pretty obvious why, and who does the "bike developing"
JB has developed all the great bikes since he has been in MGP. Just count them then tell me Rossi develops the bike
Rossi is just able to keep JB, thats Rossi's greatest asset/talent.
Very simillar riders.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 29 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi can develop a competitive bike as shown in the past.
This is why he NEEDS JB.
Without JB and crew he would just have been another rider.He went to great lengths to get them to go to Yam with him, and in fact would not go without them ....... its pretty obvious why, and who does the "bike developing"
JB has developed all the great bikes since he has been in MGP. Just count them then tell me Rossi develops the bike
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Mar 28 2010, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi has seen the mentality of Ducati and it is like Honda.
That's what he says in his book, but you look at the Duc now, and it's customer tailored for Stoner.
Why leave another team? He really doesn't come across as a very patriotic Italian, which would be the only reason I see him leaving a great bike in the Yamaha camp, but what is still a questionable Ducati.
He could join Ducati, and they'd have to go back to square one in development. Doubt he'd leave Yamaha unless his mechanics and Burgess comes with.
He's at a point in his career where it is easier to sit back and destroy the competition, then spend a year or two getting the team to his liking.
That's what he says in his book, but you look at the Duc now, and it's customer tailored for Stoner.
Why leave another team? He really doesn't come across as a very patriotic Italian, which would be the only reason I see him leaving a great bike in the Yamaha camp, but what is still a questionable Ducati.
He could join Ducati, and they'd have to go back to square one in development. Doubt he'd leave Yamaha unless his mechanics and Burgess comes with.
He's at a point in his career where it is easier to sit back and destroy the competition, then spend a year or two getting the team to his liking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 28 2010, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Very simillar riders.
This is why he NEEDS JB.
Without JB and crew he would just have been another rider.He went to great lengths to get them to go to Yam with him, and in fact would not go without them ....... its pretty obvious why, and who does the "bike developing"
Who says they wouldn't go with him? It's true he has some great people with him, but does that preclude him from being great with a different team?
Similar in what respect? AFAIK Melandri hasn't done much besides being runner up in the championship one year.
This is why he NEEDS JB.
Without JB and crew he would just have been another rider.He went to great lengths to get them to go to Yam with him, and in fact would not go without them ....... its pretty obvious why, and who does the "bike developing"
Who says they wouldn't go with him? It's true he has some great people with him, but does that preclude him from being great with a different team?
Similar in what respect? AFAIK Melandri hasn't done much besides being runner up in the championship one year.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 29 2010, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who says they wouldn't go with him? It's true he has some great people with him, but does that preclude him from being great with a different team?
Similar in what respect? AFAIK Melandri hasn't done much besides being runner up in the championship one year.
Rossi already "quelled" the chance JB tried to make to secure another great Aus. Rider ...... Stoner .... Rossi, sooked about that possible move, even though JB wanted Stoner.
And JB is still somewhat patriotic.
No I think Rossi does very well not to "rock the boat" with JB and crew
But then again thats something that seems to come easy to him cos he does respect JB and crew and that is what will keep them there with him.
If Rossi were to leave, I think we may see JB attempt to get with Stoner ..... otherwise .... retire.
Similar in what respect? AFAIK Melandri hasn't done much besides being runner up in the championship one year.
Rossi already "quelled" the chance JB tried to make to secure another great Aus. Rider ...... Stoner .... Rossi, sooked about that possible move, even though JB wanted Stoner.
And JB is still somewhat patriotic.
No I think Rossi does very well not to "rock the boat" with JB and crew
If Rossi were to leave, I think we may see JB attempt to get with Stoner ..... otherwise .... retire.
Melandri just doesn't strike me as a racer who can manhandle and ride around on a bike that is what many considers to be an unpolished one that is the Ducati, though if ridden in the aggressive manner which Casey has, is shown to be right up there battling for the championship.
Nicky Hayden is also thought of as being an 'aggressive' rider, though he had problems and was struggling with the Ducati last year so.... who knows. Seems like it's either hit or miss with the Ducati machine and the safest bet for Rossi is to stay where he's at especially at these later years in his career.
Nicky Hayden is also thought of as being an 'aggressive' rider, though he had problems and was struggling with the Ducati last year so.... who knows. Seems like it's either hit or miss with the Ducati machine and the safest bet for Rossi is to stay where he's at especially at these later years in his career.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Mar 29 2010, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri just doesn't strike me as a racer who can manhandle and ride around on a bike that is what many considers to be an unpolished one that is the Ducati,
Yep Melandri and Rossi ..... finesse riders ...... things have to be smooth for them.
A ride on the Duc. would be disaster for Rossi cos. its a "rough ride".
And I'm not sure even JB could change that in the time I assume Rossi has left.
And would Ducati want that? Cos one thing JB does, is he comes in and evolves the bike, to his rider. So in realty whatever the bike he has developed, though its got a brand name to it ..... its a JB bike
Yep Melandri and Rossi ..... finesse riders ...... things have to be smooth for them.
A ride on the Duc. would be disaster for Rossi cos. its a "rough ride".
And I'm not sure even JB could change that in the time I assume Rossi has left.
And would Ducati want that? Cos one thing JB does, is he comes in and evolves the bike, to his rider. So in realty whatever the bike he has developed, though its got a brand name to it ..... its a JB bike
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 28 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi already "quelled" the chance JB tried to make to secure another great Aus. Rider ...... Stoner .... Rossi, sooked about that possible move, even though JB wanted Stoner.
And JB is still somewhat patriotic.
No I think Rossi does very well not to "rock the boat" with JB and crew
But then again thats something that seems to come easy to him cos he does respect JB and crew and that is what will keep them there with him.
If Rossi were to leave, I think we may see JB attempt to get with Stoner ..... otherwise .... retire.
I'd be interested in Rossi's performance without JB at his side. I continue to doubt he'd be dead in the water on a Ducati.
Stoner wouldn't turn JB away if he came with a working proposition, but he's already won without having a JB-esque mind at his side.
And JB is still somewhat patriotic.
No I think Rossi does very well not to "rock the boat" with JB and crew
If Rossi were to leave, I think we may see JB attempt to get with Stoner ..... otherwise .... retire.
I'd be interested in Rossi's performance without JB at his side. I continue to doubt he'd be dead in the water on a Ducati.
Stoner wouldn't turn JB away if he came with a working proposition, but he's already won without having a JB-esque mind at his side.
Still counting posts mickm?? I believe we have proof here of my point in the other thread......and yet another Barry Crocker
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eltoro @ Mar 29 2010, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner wouldn't turn JB away if he came with a working proposition, but he's already won without having a JB-esque mind at his side.
It would not be up to Stoner ...... I think Ducati would have to have a big think about that one
but
should Yamaha come courting Stoner .......
It would not be up to Stoner ...... I think Ducati would have to have a big think about that one
but
should Yamaha come courting Stoner .......
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 29 2010, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>80% rider 20% bike
Well bugger me!!! how bad was the 08 Ducati then!?? if Melandri's performance was 80% of that!!
Lovely doctrine there Curvey
Well bugger me!!! how bad was the 08 Ducati then!?? if Melandri's performance was 80% of that!!
Lovely doctrine there Curvey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 28 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>80% rider 20% bike
Sorry to say but not anymore.
Sorry to say but not anymore.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 28 2010, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well bugger me!!! how bad was the 08 Ducati then!?? if Melandri's performance was 80% of that!!
Lovely doctrine there Curvey
Lovely doctrine there Curvey
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Mar 28 2010, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry to say but not anymore.
forever it will be 80/20
forever it will be 80/20
Almost a page full of mostly ........
the reason are simple, for the educated.......
-the duck has only ever been competative for one rider, hence it's development as a more all round package has still some ways to go. Rossi, at this stage of his career doesn't have the time or the patience for such an undertaking
-rossi is currently riding arguably the best all round package in motogp, which he had a very large hand in developing. Apart from his four world titles with Yamaha, rossi also has a great working relationship between himself the team and the manufactuer. Ducati is know for being Honda-like, so why go backwards?
-riding for an Italian manufactuer certainly doesn't dissuade vr, those of us who have been around long enough will remember 1997 and 1999, when vr won his first two titles on an Italian bike. I dare say that if aprilia were in motogp with a competative machine vr would be more tempted to go that way based on his history with them and IMO they would build a much more user friendly package.
the reason are simple, for the educated.......
-the duck has only ever been competative for one rider, hence it's development as a more all round package has still some ways to go. Rossi, at this stage of his career doesn't have the time or the patience for such an undertaking
-rossi is currently riding arguably the best all round package in motogp, which he had a very large hand in developing. Apart from his four world titles with Yamaha, rossi also has a great working relationship between himself the team and the manufactuer. Ducati is know for being Honda-like, so why go backwards?
-riding for an Italian manufactuer certainly doesn't dissuade vr, those of us who have been around long enough will remember 1997 and 1999, when vr won his first two titles on an Italian bike. I dare say that if aprilia were in motogp with a competative machine vr would be more tempted to go that way based on his history with them and IMO they would build a much more user friendly package.
