Traction Control

It would obviously have an adverse effect on laptimes but it would also make it harder and we would see who really are the best riders.

Seems if you go off the track nowadays its near impossible to get back to the top. I remember a few years ago Rossi got a 10 second penalty and still won the race.

On the plus side we are getting really close racing but i preferred when the bikes powerslid out of the corners.

I think a ban on tc is currently a negative idea because it is putting a cap on the progress of what are the worlds best racing motorcycles. In the future when the electronics really are ruining the racing (rather than making it a bit easier on the rider and much safer) it should be re-considered, but not for a few years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think a ban on tc is currently a negative idea because it is putting a cap on the progress of what are the worlds best racing motorcycles. In the future when the electronics really are ruining the racing (rather than making it a bit easier on the rider and much safer) it should be re-considered, but not for a few years.


I think if we took it away now it would be a disaster. Guys are learning to ride with that stuff from when they go to the big bikes now, if you take it away, the results would be spectacular. But not in a good way! Dr Costa would be a very, very busy man.

Pete

Ban it in GP? No way! This is the place for tech innovation, if you can afford the best, you deserve to win.

Ban it in WSBK? Undecided. It's coming to road bikes, and since they are based on road bikes, why not? But it's adding unnecessary cost to the series. A few years ago the grids were 40+!!!!

i read this question this morning but didnt vote because i needed to think about it.
i voted yes. now i no we dont really see highsides now because of the electronics and thats a good thing and motogp is prototype racing and this is where this technology is developed but i still voted yes because of..,
A. it closes up the lap time regardless of rider skill
B. i fear it will make motogp like a F1 pressesion.
C. i could give a false sence of security for the riders a bit like abs on you car,you get so used to breaking late and hard in the rain because of it that the day it malfunctions you crash into some poor bugger. look at edwards that time his launch controll failled and he took out half the field.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i read this question this morning but didnt vote because i needed to think about it.
i voted yes. now i no we dont really see highsides now because of the electronics and thats a good thing and motogp is prototype racing and this is where this technology is developed but i still voted yes because of..,
A. it closes up the lap time regardless of rider skill
B. i fear it will make motogp like a F1 pressesion.
C. i could give a false sence of security for the riders a bit like abs on you car,you get so used to breaking late and hard in the rain because of it that the day it malfunctions you crash into some poor bugger. look at edwards that time his launch controll failled and he took out half the field.

All good points, and all points i considered before i voted. However i conclude each point like this.

A. It doesn't eliminate rider skill it just allows more riders to get more from their machines, and then they can get on with racing.

B. The racing we have is plenty close and plenty thrilling, its not processional and until it is we do not need to be capping the technology

C. Yes, relying on electronics can be dangerous on the very very rare times they fail, but having the electronics in place overall gives a huge safety gain, even with electronics malfunctions factored in.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All good points, and all points i considered before i voted. However i conclude each point like this.

A. It doesn't eliminate rider skill it just allows more riders to get more from their machines, and then they can get on with racing.

B. The racing we have is plenty close and plenty thrilling, its not processional and until it is we do not need to be capping the technology

C. Yes, relying on electronics can be dangerous on the very very rare times they fail, but having the electronics in place overall gives a huge safety gain, even with electronics malfunctions factored in.
your not wrong tom, this is why i thought about it for the day before i voted,thats not to say i wont change my mind in the future,its a tough call.

BAN it. I want to see real men ride in the motogp. high slides, low slides, power slides thats what make motorcycle racing exciting. Whats next antilock brakes? F@%$!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ May 8 2007, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BAN it. I want to see real men ride in the motogp. high slides, low slides, power slides thats what make motorcycle racing exciting. Whats next antilock brakes? F@%$!


Whats a freakin high and low slide? You mean high SIDE right??

low sides are when you lose your front (at least thats what some of us call it ) and the bike just falls over (or lose your rear but the tire does not catch again to make it a high side). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4JcEKmkzks about 30secs in

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ May 17 2007, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>low sides are when you lose your front (at least thats what some of us call it ) and the bike just falls over (or lose your rear but the tire does not catch again to make it a high side). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4JcEKmkzks about 30secs in

I think we all know that, but what is high slide and low slide?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ May 8 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BAN it. I want to see real men ride in the motogp. high slides, low slides, power slides thats what make motorcycle racing exciting. Whats next antilock brakes? F@%$!

I wanna see people get hurt too. Makes for great entertainment. .... it! Lets bring back gladiators and ....!

well i think it's here to stay so best get used to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 17 2007, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think we all know that, but what is high slide and low slide?
I am such an .....! i did not realize that I spelled side as sLide...

but i preferred when the bikes powerslid out of the corners.

bring back the 2 strokes. a 500 2 stroke vs the 800 fours. raw power is what I think it's all about. ride the balls off it if you can. like my rossi sig says from the dvd faster.

the first time you ride de 500. it's like ....!!

I'm totally ignorant and unknown about the subject. what is traction control if I may ask??? what's the difference between having traction control and not having it?? is it like abs on cars that I read in a post, where the wheels don't block if you brake??

Traction control is an electronic aid that limits the power output of the bike to achieve optimum acceleration in first place and prevent highsides and wheelies to a certain extent.

How does it work? Well the bikes have sensors on the wheels that measure the wheel speed, in the most basic TC when the computer detects the front wheel is moving faster than the rear it assumes the rear wheel is spinning due to the tyre receiving more power than it can transmit to the ground so the power is cut or limited (usually the computer tells the fuel injection to pump in less fuel) until the TC detects both wheels are turning at the same speed.

What does it mean in practice? before TC riders had to be as precise as possible on how much they opened the throttle so to try and get maximum acceleration without spining. Now they just give it a full throtle and the computer is the one that decides how much power the rear wheel receives.

Hope it helps!

In my opinion it should be banned, I like that this sport has a large human factor. For the ones who say banning TC is opposing to technology .... it certainly is, but the truth is computer can already drive cars ... there would be a point in which the bikes would be completely controlled by computers and the rider would just be a passenger because computers will be able to ride better than humans. And I wouldn't like to see that.

ban it.







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I have really mixed feelings about it. I like that TC keeps riders healthy and makes their careers longer, but it is anesthetizing the sport.

Plus, it's making cornering speeds higher, so I'm not really sure it's necessarily safer, it just minimizes the number of times people fall. If TC fails though, the rider will have crashed spectacularly through no fault of his own......I don't like that situation.

Motogp is about going as fast as possible. If Motogp doesn't allow it, another racing series will become faster and eventually usurp Motogp. However, it seems that people watch racing these days, for the human element. TC removes the human element from racing. If people don't watch, it doesn't matter how fast you're going.