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Toseland expected to challenge Lorenzo.

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Thursday, 22nd November 2007

Tech 3 team boss Herve Poncharal anticipates a close contest between Yamaha's star MotoGP rookies, James Toseland and Jorge Lorenzo, during the 2008 MotoGP season.

By Peter McLaren

A little after 2 o'clock on day two of the Sepang test saw an interesting battle develop on track, where double World Superbike champion James Toseland was catching double 250cc world champion Jorge Lorenzo, also a MotoGP rookie on a Michelin-shod M1.

After several laps locked on Jorge's rear wheel, and despite the Spaniard ending the day with a faster individual lap time, Toseland dived under Lorenzo through the second part of a left-right flick - then edged away from the factory rider, who pitted shortly after.

According to Toseland's Tech 3 boss Herve Poncharal, that contest should be seen regularly during the 2008 season - and the Frenchman backs Toseland to keep pushing Lorenzo all the way.

"I saw James together with Lorenzo and this is what is pleasing me," Poncharal told Crash.net. "Lorenzo is the 250cc world champion, James is the World Superbike champion, but Lorenzo has already had a two day test in Valencia. Their race pace was very close to each other and it is a very good comparison between them.

"I'd be lying if I said that nobody will be looking at who will be the best Michelin-Yamaha rookie, between James and Lorenzo," he admitted. "I personally think that I made the right choice and I trust James to challenge Lorenzo. Although everybody thinks Lorenzo is a bright star for the future, I am sure James will be right with him and hopefully in front of him."

Toseland went on to finish his first ever MotoGP test, and first visit to Sepang, half a second behind Lorenzo on race tyres, although the Spaniard jumped up the order further after a late run with a qualifying tyre - something that didn't impress Toseland's manager Roger Burnett.

"Lorenzo, I don't know if he's been asleep or not, but he'd finished and packed up for the day and now - after two hours of resting - has come back out to try and do a lap time," Burnett told Crash.net at the end of the final day in Sepang. "Lap times at this point are just for vanity really. We're a bit too experienced for all that. We know that Qatar is the first race next year and having a strong result at Qatar is what we are working towards. It's not about the lap time here today."

Toseland's Tech 3 predecessor Sylvain Guintoli clinched the 2007 MotoGP rookie of the year title, although it was something of a hollow award since he was the only full time newcomer in the class. However, next season will be very different, with Honda rookies Andrea Dovizioso and Alex de Angelis set to fight Lorenzo and Toseland for what will be a hard-earned best newcomer prize.

"You have the top three guys from the 250cc class and the top guy from the World Superbike class. So the four newcomers are really exciting guys, they are all young and have a really high profile," said Poncharal. "Three of them are also from the south of Europe - Lorenzo, de Angelis and Dovizioso - but the good point about James, being from north of Europe, is that he is more cool headed. He doesn't get overexcited."

As well as his British temperament and undoubted riding talent, Poncharal believes Toseland will be able to call upon the vast experience of the Tech 3 team, the full support of Yamaha and advice from team-mate Colin Edwards - also a former double WSBK champion but now with five years of MotoGP experience.

"The team knows Yamaha and the MotoGP class very well, and we've worked with a lot of riders, so I think we and James can help each other," said Herve. "Also James has Colin on his side. Colin is really taking his role as a rider and - I wouldn't say teacher, but anyway - Colin is trying his best to help everybody out, including James.

"Normally you have a big rivalry between the two team-mates. It's early days, but at present I don't think Colin sees James as a threat and just wants to help him. He is really trying everything he can to give him good advice and help him learn as quickly as possible.

"Colin has also had his first ride on the early 2008 prototype and is the only Michelin-Yamaha rider with experience of the MotoGP class. So Yamaha is using him a lot. This is good for the team because we have many guys in [the Tech 3 pit] who are normally more in the factory team.

"It is also good for James to see so many Japanese factory guys around him, because it means that they care and they trust him to do well," Poncharal concluded.

Source: http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...ge_lorenzo.html
 
Its good to see the tech 3 team upgrading to a more serious challange, but i still think Lorenzo will be rookie of the year.
 
Is Lorenzo's bike more "Factory" than Toselands?

That may make it a fairly dubious challenge, though I must admit it will be interesting to see how the big change in riders on Yamahas sets a reference for the claims the Yamaha is no good.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 25 2007, 06:42 AM) [snapback]102209[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Is Lorenzo's bike more "Factory" than Toselands?



Well we are being told they both have factory equipment and i would expect them to start the season on the same bike. What happens after that is anyones guess.
 
What happens after that will depend on performance.. Casey Stoner would have been second fiddle to Capirossi, had he not won 85% of the races this year
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Nov 25 2007, 10:59 AM) [snapback]102215[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
What happens after that will depend on performance.. Casey Stoner would have been second fiddle to Capirossi, had he not won 85% of the races this year
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Well i read Loris saying that a lot of his troubles came from the bike being changed to Stoners requests before the season even started.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 25 2007, 06:42 AM) [snapback]102209[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Is Lorenzo's bike more "Factory" than Toselands?

That may make it a fairly dubious challenge, though I must admit it will be interesting to see how the big change in riders on Yamahas sets a reference for the claims the Yamaha is no good.

of course it is, its a well known fact that yamaha dont give much to there satiate teams,so im not going to hold my breath for anything special from jt in 08.

if lorenzo does well next year, i wonder if we will have a lorenzo spanish invasion on this forum like the aussie stoner fanboys we had this year and the hayden fanboys the year before.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 25 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]102217[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

if lorenzo does well next year, i wonder if we will have a lorenzo spanish invasion on this forum like the aussie stoner fanboys we had this year and the hayden fanboys the year before.
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Nah, Dani's been doing VERY well and nothings changed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Nov 26 2007, 12:00 AM) [snapback]102217[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
if lorenzo does well next year, i wonder if we will have a lorenzo spanish invasion on this forum like the aussie stoner fanboys we had this year and the hayden fanboys the year before.
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yeah!! you tell em Rog! ..... there ain't no room for fanboys here!! eh?
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Gee that could go on like that for 20 years
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Come on Rog! good luck to them if they do, just means it'll be an even more interesting season.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 26 2007, 12:51 AM) [snapback]102218[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nah, Dani's been doing VERY well and nothings changed.


I wonder about that ..... do you think that Dani's personality kinda demands his fans are ...... hmmm nonchalant types ???

Can't see him having any really overexuberant fans, but he must have a huge fan base.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 25 2007, 02:10 PM) [snapback]102219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wonder about that ..... do you think that Dani's personality kinda demands his fans are ...... hmmm nonchalant types ???

Can't see him having any really overexuberant fans, but he must have a huge fan base.


Yea he is popular, but i'd imagine its mostly hardcore fans, concerned only with his ridng.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Nov 25 2007, 10:36 PM) [snapback]102244[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wanna see Lorenzo shove Dani off the track
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Lorenzos History suggests that his failed passing attempts normally result in HIM falling off. Remember Germany 05 or France 06?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Fizz @ Nov 24 2007, 06:37 PM) [snapback]102187[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Dovi looks like he will be well in testing anyway.



Lets wait after jerez if Toseland and michelin "understand" them well
 
Hell yeah I am waiting to see what James can do. Can't wait for the results later.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Nov 25 2007, 02:10 PM) [snapback]102219[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I wonder about that ..... do you think that Dani's personality kinda demands his fans are ...... hmmm nonchalant types ???

Can't see him having any really overexuberant fans, but he must have a huge fan base.


funny you should say that actually because im hardly the most, as you put it... 'over exuberant' person on the planet.
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his personality (or at least what i see of it anyway) is the reason i like Dani, people that are always hyper wear me out lol

... but I like Bautista so that balances the smile/ frown o meter so i dont become a complete misery
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 25 2007, 10:43 PM) [snapback]102245[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lorenzos History suggests that his failed passing attempts normally result in HIM falling off.


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sweet comeback
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom @ Nov 25 2007, 11:43 PM) [snapback]102245[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Lorenzos History suggests that his failed passing attempts normally result in HIM falling off. Remember Germany 05 or France 06?


Allthough history is allways of interest I think Lunatic is a good example of the fact that even racers are able to gain experience and change attitude. I'm starting to think that his motoGp name doesn't serve him right anymroe
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Lorenzo will beat JT in testing at Jerez 2 reasons why. 1 this is Lorenzos home race track and 2 hes done more miles round it where as JT has had very little track time at Jerez. Simply. Lorenzo is on FULL Works spec bike.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(stop_killing_dead_things @ Nov 27 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]102387[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
funny you should say that actually because im hardly the most, as you put it... 'over exuberant' person on the planet.
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his personality (or at least what i see of it anyway) is the reason i like Dani, people that are always hyper wear me out lol


well yeah I'm glad you piped in with that ..... cos I kinda feel comfortable with his type of personality too .... as much as folk want him to be a circus clown I kinda think he's never going to be ( and thats to his credit ) ... and yeah circus clowns are fun for about 15 minutes
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jt's contract is supposed to stat equal factory equipment. i'm sure yamaha will honor that. i would think yamaha are going to throw much more effort towards tech3 this coming season. it's a strong team & it would be ashame to hamper them with sub par equipment.
 

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