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This would have never been or was an issue with the 990, fat or skinny, tall or short...that torque would move your ....... 800s suck...so does Pedro....... you Honda
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<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%MOTOGP » Canepa plans weight loss for speed gain

After suffering a lack of top speed relative to the other Ducati riders throughout the Sepang test, and having tried all technical solutions, MotoGP rookie Niccolo Canepa is planning to lose weight in time for the Qatar season opener on April 12.

The Pramac Ducati rider was a massive 16km/h slower than team-mate Mika Kallio along the main straights during day one of the first 2009 test, contributing to a ranking of 19th and last on the timesheet.

The top speed situation improved over the next two days, but the Italian still feels he needs to slim down to limit the performance damage.

“I tried to shorten the gearing and now it is better, but I still lose some kilometers per hour on the straight,” Canepa told Crash.net. “I think for Qatar I will lose five or six kilos! I am taller and bigger than the other riders, so I lose something on the straights, but I can lose a bit of weight.”

Canepa, who impressed as a Ducati/Bridgestone test rider during 2008, said that while the top speed difference had been spotted last season, it was attributed to his test bike being of an older specification than the machines being raced in MotoGP.

“My GP8 last year was not so fast, it was not like Stoner's one, it was a bit older. So we thought the speed difference was an engine problem, not because of my size,” he explained.

Canepa improved to 14th on day two of the test, but failed to improve his lap time on the third and final day - after being denied the chance to complete a late fast lap - leaving him in 15th position, 2.8sec behind fastest man Casey Stoner and 1.5sec from Pramac team-mate Mika Kallio.

Ducati's 2007 Superstock 1000 FIM Cup champion admitted that his lap time was 'bad' but, after checking the data, the Mechanical Engineering university student felt that the overall progress was encouraging.

“On day three we worked very well but unfortunately at the end of the session I went to push and they put out the chequered flag, so I cannot do a good lap time!” he confirmed.

“But the overall result of these three days is not so bad. The lap time is bad, but I have seen the data on the computers and compared to the other Ducati riders I am not so bad. We are working in the right direction.”

The 20-year-old also revealed that all five GP9s are presently of a similar specification.

“I think my [satellite] bike is the same as Stoner and Hayden's [factory] bike,” he said. “This year Ducati wants to give everybody the same bike, with the same electronics. Not like Honda or Yamaha. Same bike for everybody - for me, Sete, Mika, Stoner and Hayden.”
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 17 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This would have never been or was an issue with the 990, fat or skinny, tall or short...that torque would move your ....... 800s suck...so does Pedro....... you Honda
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Weight IS ALLWAYS an issue. 800, 990 or 1200, doesn't matter.
Doesn't make a combined rider/bike limit less interesting, but it's not as straight forward as with cars. You use your body weight and stregth to handle the bike. To simply set the limit higher than any rider/bike combo of today would give the heavier guys a HUGE advantage.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 17 2009, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Weight IS ALLWAYS an issue. 800, 990 or 1200, doesn't matter.
Doesn't make a combined rider/bike limit less interesting, but it's not as straight forward as with cars. You use your body weight and stregth to handle the bike. To simply set the limit higher than any rider/bike combo of today would give the heavier guys a HUGE advantage.

Bab..you think i just fell off the turnip truck?
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Yes i know its allways an issue.... BUT it's even MORE of an issue with the 800s and the Horse Jockey sized riders they are built for
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There will always be an optimum physical stature, as mention by babel. He is also right about the complications that come with combined weights.
 
Global average male weight is 175 lbs. This is an easy and fair weight to use for rider and bike weight minimum. Otherwise within the decade we will be referring to bike "jockeys" and not riders.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 17 2009, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bab..you think i just fell off the turnip truck?
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Yes i know its allways an issue.... BUT it's even MORE of an issue with the 800s and the Horse Jockey sized riders they are built for
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Not really much more. 800 still output more than 200bhp so I would say the difference is there but to lesser degree than comparing these bikes to any other motorbike class.

Point is that setting a combined weight limit could easily shift the advantage to the larger riders, but that is probably a + in your book?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 17 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not really much more. 800 still output more than 200bhp so I would say the difference is there but to lesser degree than comparing these bikes to any other motorbike class.

Point is that setting a combined weight limit could easily shift the advantage to the larger riders, but that is probably a + in your book?

Its not HP that moves the riders its Torque...the 800 has no where near the torque of the 990.. like a 600 compared to a 1000....

I know what you mean, and i'm not saying you're wrong...but there has to be a way... is it ok for the Horse Jockeys to have the advantage now?
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Dust off the 990s..prob solved
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I agree Curve. Riders have to be emaciated to run the 800, almost to the same degree as the 250s. This was part of the plan by Dorna, so they could get riders from their feeder series. This is why good talent from Superbikes don't make it in MotoGP. Look at Toesland's weight loss, and all the other guys are on strict diets.

(Tom & Babel, I disagree with most your take...but I suppose that is to be expected).
 
Hey, all you Jockey fans!

Think about it Dani/Casey/Tony etc... could add the needed weight anywhere on the bike.
 
As soon as dorna realise that the 250's should be 400cc/450cc and that the 600cc will be almost as good as the 800's they WILL be dusting off the 990's, i think 600's with less electronic assistance than the 800's they will be more exciting to watch.

ezy will be shing his knickers and there will be request to put the motogp bikes capacity back up or take away most of the electronic aids.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 17 2009, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As soon as dorna realise that the 250's should be 400cc/450cc and that the 600cc will be almost as good as the 800's they WILL be dusting off the 990's, i think 600's with less electronic assistance than the 800's they will be more exciting to watch.

ezy will be shing his knickers and there will be request to put the motogp bikes capacity back up or take away most of the electronic aids.

I like the way you think Jaz, we can certainly hope.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Feb 17 2009, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey, all you Jockey fans!

Think about it Dani/Casey/Tony etc... could add the needed weight anywhere on the bike.
Theoretically it could be a dense liquid weight that could "shift" as the rider shifts weight... properly valved and dampened it could be another technological black hole for cash involving lots and lots of sensors, actuators and electronics!

P.S. Jum - that's satire.
 
I am all for a total machine rider minimum weight limit measured as a racing unit. It might actually favour the heavier riders.
 
the rider must be a minimum weight....
so if a rider is too light, give him some heavier leathers and stuff...
 
The only problem with motogp from a rider's standpoint, is that only a small portion of the population are physically eligible to participate. Sports without machinery often require exceptional physical traits, but motorsports rules should not exclude a majority of the population on the grounds of physical stature.

Some people will certainly be excluded regardless of how the rules are written, but it shoudn't be 80% of the populace.

MotoGP will also benefit. It's kind of hard to take your hero seriously when he's a half-foot short and he diets like a supermodel.
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It's kind of hard to take your hero seriously when he's a half-foot short and he diets like a supermodel.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 18 2009, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Theoretically it could be a dense liquid weight that could "shift" as the rider shifts weight... properly valved and dampened it could be another technological black hole for cash involving lots and lots of sensors, actuators and electronics!

P.S. Jum - that's satire.


What would they call it? Water control? ........ "WC" ...... just so we all know what to cry out for them to ban 10 years down the line
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 17 2009, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>(Tom & Babel, I disagree with most your take...but I suppose that is to be expected).

You may disagree with the fact's but they are still facts.

I'm not 100% against a combined limit and it definatly doesn't scare me. Such a limit would more than likely and up with the ideal rider weight very close to where Rossi is and those are the riders that will benefit the most. The highest body/bike ratio and perfectly matching the minimum combined weight will be the best match for that rule. It's just that so far the midget hasn't shown that he can use his low weight to any determinal advantage. He's fast at the start line and out of some corners but that's about it. He still have problems braking and turning the bike in the fast S's. But sure, throw another advantage at Rossi, but don't come back later and blame him for his "fixing".
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 17 2009, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may disagree with the fact's but they are still facts.

I'm not 100% against a combined limit and it definatly doesn't scare me. Such a limit would more than likely and up with the ideal rider weight very close to where Rossi is and those are the riders that will benefit the most. The highest body/bike ratio and perfectly matching the minimum combined weight will be the best match for that rule. It's just that so far the midget hasn't shown that he can use his low weight to any determinal advantage. He's fast at the start line and out of some corners but that's about it. He still have problems braking and turning the bike in the fast S's. But sure, throw another advantage at Rossi, but don't come back later and blame him for his "fixing".
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Although it hasn't benefited the smaller riders like Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Stoner and Elias as much as it's made out have on this board, it appears to me that some of the larger riders are far less comfortable on the 800s than they were on the 990s. Riding style aside, I mean they physically look more cramped and less comfortable.
 

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