The real world champion will retain his title.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Oct 24 2006, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im just saying that there would of been no such backlash if someone like Biaggi was insulted.

i agree. biaggi does get dogged a lot but like katt says because certain riders dont have the fan base on here that rossi has then there isnt anyone to defend that rider.

mention the and you'll find katt on the case straight away

Welcome Bruce. I think you have stumbled on the site that you will enjoy because there are many that agree with you here. Even though some of the responses haven't sound it like it. When you here some (not all) say stuff like "naw, I don't hate Hayden he's ok its just that...bla bla bla" this is code for, "but I really really really love Rossi." So you see, you're gonna have much love here. Even the name of the site is in code. You thought you joined motogpforum.com but as you will see its code for rossiworship.com

Hey Ooost, it seems that a lot of the people posting their opinions, this thread and others included, can't stand to accept anything that gives Hayden a fair assessment. I've read a lot of apologists for Pedrosa on this site, and even more who have a witless retort about anything written fair on Hayden as coming from some other site like "Hayden.com bobber"; and by doing so somehow makes what is written not creditable. I suspect they do this because they can’t retort to what is said or written on its own merit. Interesting that they call such opinions as “biased” when they are showing their own gross bias themselves about the topic. Hayden got railroaded by his teammate in the sickest way and at the worst possible time, and somehow it’s not ok to call it like it is? Had pedrosa shamefully taken out Rossi instead of Hayden, I’m sure there would have been outrage of epic proportion on this site!!! Actually, from reading many of the threads, and seeing how so many threads are “biased” against Hayden, they might want to rename this site haydenhaterbobbers.com. Actually, after reading so many threads that worship Rossi, they should call it rossibobbers.com.

I agree with your response. Moreover, I think Rossi is a great racer and we have been privileged to see him on the track. But I also think Hayden has this potential as well and has shown glimpses of brilliance. But as Bruce can't seem to give him props, it’s also a fact that Hayden hasn't been reared on these tracks like Rossi has since birth (as some of the other riders have too). Which makes it more extraordinary that Hayden has done as well as he has. Perhaps Bruce may want to rewrite the points system in GP since he doesn't seem to feel Hayden's consistency deserved to be in the points lead.

Sete and Max are vilified here on this site cuz they had the audacity to challenge the beloved son, Rossi. And as you will see that never goes over well here at rossilovers.com; oops, I meant… I on the other hand, I don’t have much respect for these two cuz I think they have loads of talent but not enough heart.

So Ooost, I’m not quite sure you will enjoy the opinions as much as Bruce will here at this site, but after all, they are just opinions; some right some wrong. (joke)
But hey, I love to talk racing with most anybody, so lets continue to do so.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Nicely Said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nicely said. That is why I like this forum. Because of thoughtful opinions that respect everyone.

You can ask every oneon here, I am not a big fan of Hayden, I'm a big fan of Rossi but above all I support Hopper. (Can you tell.)

I think Hayden deserves the title if he wins it. Rossi deserves it just as much. Rossi has had to work a lot harder for it, regaining a big deficit. I'm not saying Hayden didn't work for it. Because he did, he is on the top of the points for a reason isn't he?

Racejumkie, we have fans of some riders and haters of other. Let me point something out though. OOOST HATES GIBERNAU! No matter what he does he will never be a fan of him. He is just the personification of people's dislike for Sete all rolled into one. He is a one of a kind.

As always, don't let one person ruin it for all.
No Ooost, I am not saying you are ruining it for all, Shiiiit i ruin it too and if I haven't then I bet you I will sometime soon!

Racejumkie, you just stumbled upon one man's opinion. Not everyone's.

Also note this, alot of new people are signing up to this forum. They of course will be Rossi fans(not many people aren't) and they will voice it. Wait til you see the "regulars" and those who will separate themselves from the rest by posting meaningful posts (yourself included, that was one hell of a post). Then you will enjoy the site even more.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Oct 24 2006, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I LOVE SETE GIBERNAU AND CHRIS VERMEULEN!!!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Oct 25 2006, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Let me point something out though. OOOST HATES GIBERNAU! No matter what he does he will never be a fan of him.
well what is it Ooost?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Oct 24 2006, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
since when do we have a mole emotiocon????

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Oct 25 2006, 04:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>mention the and you'll find katt on the case straight away
yer man, im here, my sonar picked it up

Racejumkie, I can see where you're coming from. We do have a big Rossi fan base on this forum, some of whom can be quite viscious when it comes to criticizing riders that challenge Rossi, but it really annoys me when you say this site should be called rossilovers.com or haydenhaters.com . there are a fair few of us who aren't Rossi fans, and, although theres nothing wrong with being a Rossi fan at all, to tar us all with the same brush is a bit ignorant in my opinion. I admire Rossi's skill and what he does for the popularity of the sport, but I wouldn't call myself a fan. Try asking members like Teo or Katt what they think of Rossi. We have a lot of Rossi fans but this is by no means a Rossi fan club. Just for the record, this is what I honsetly think about the riders that have been mentioned:

Rossi - Very charimatic, talented individual

Hayden - Without a doubt the coolest guy on the grid, Maybe not on the top step the whole time but consistency speaks for itself. Don't forget he finished a credible 3rd last year.

Gibernau - Extremely talented rider plauged by both bad luck and a weak mentaliy that allows bully types like Rossi to get in his head.

Biaggi - Bad boy who can talk the talk but not walk the walk. Rossi's enemy or not, he's a hard man to like.

Vermulen - Awsome because he came second in Australia and waved at me twice in Motegi

Now if you wanna brand me as a rossi lover/hayden hater, I can't sop you, but I do think it's an ignorant viewpoint.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gx6rdr @ Oct 25 2006, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry richo, I like Bayliss but I think Max is going to give him a hard time next year. Hopefully the championship will be a little tighter for more excitement.

Respect this opinion: BUUULLL-SHHHIIT. Just kidding, dude

Be honest richo. You've gotta feel a little, itsy bitsy, minimal threat from Max being on the gixxer. Come on. Okay maybe I can't convince you.
But here's a question, who do you think is a better rider (minus the attitude), Nicky or Max?

Id say it depends on the track and the bike.
If its a high corner speed track its going to be Biaggi
If the opposite then Hayden.

If a light maneuverable bike then Biaggi.
If a SBK then Hayden.

YOU KNOW WHAT!....

EVERYBODY in moto gp sucks...

i HATE all the ryders!!....











i love nascar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CaptainSnow @ Oct 25 2006, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also note this, alot of new people are signing up to this forum. They of course will be Rossi fans(not many people aren't) and they will voice it. Wait til you see the "regulars" and those who will separate themselves from the rest by posting meaningful posts (yourself included, that was one hell of a post). Then you will enjoy the site even more.

Hello everyone, this be my first post - seems as good as place to start as any. I've really enjoyed reading all the debates on here and surely one thing we can all agree on is that it will be one fantastic race, no matter what happens. I think this season has proved that we can't predict anything... and isn't that why we all love the sport so much? The variety and the unpredicatable nature is what makes Moto GP what it is.

I am a Hayden supporter primarily, but would be equally happy to see Rossi walk away with the title as you can't help admire him - especially the battle he's fought this year. I'm off to Valencia with my sister for the race - she is a Rossi supporter - so I guess one of us is going to come home disappointed! Rivalry is at the heart of Moto GP , so embrace it folks...

First of all, I am also a Rossi fan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BruceLee @ Oct 22 2006, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When Rossi passes Hayden Hayden never tries to regain the position. If he were truly a champion he would have been racing upfront with Rossi.
^FALSE^


Too bad he shut off and braked in front of a racer like Dani Pedrosa and caused the crash. Hayden is also boring to watch race. If Hayden is a MotoGP champion he should run up front and control the race.
^ PEDROSA TOOK HIM OFF, NOT HAYDEN HIMSELF^


Maybe I can find some Yankee buddies that will watch the race, drink beer and argue about how poor little Nickey got taken out by Pedrosa. Come on guys, Hayden blew a 51 point lead.
^COLIN EDWARDS^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Oct 24 2006, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Racejumkie, I can see where you're coming from. We do have a big Rossi fan base on this forum, some of whom can be quite viscious when it comes to criticizing riders that challenge Rossi, but it really annoys me when you say this site should be called rossilovers.com or haydenhaters.com . there are a fair few of us who aren't Rossi fans, and, although theres nothing wrong with being a Rossi fan at all, to tar us all with the same brush is a bit ignorant in my opinion.

Hi Richo, I don't think you were paying attention. I did, as I have in other threads, make exception for a few of those fair minded posters. However, I have ran into many on this site that fall into the category that I mentioned. But if you surf the threads you will notice that many fall shamefully into this category. Which I may say, is ok just as long as they call it this way and say they are in deed Rossi homers, but instead they blab away trying to say they are fair minded opinions while it is abundantly obvious they are just Rossi homers; they see everything with ROSSIE COLORED GLASSES.

Blame the n00bs! They don't know anything until us veterans put them in their place! lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gx6rdr @ Oct 25 2006, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Be honest richo. You've gotta feel a little, itsy bitsy, minimal threat from Max being on the gixxer. Come on. Okay maybe I can't convince you.
But here's a question, who do you think is a better rider (minus the attitude), Nicky or Max?

ooohhh, that is tough. Nicky or Max? I agree with hector, Nicky's a superbiker and you don't get much more 250 rider than 4 time world champ Max (Except maybe a guy like Pedrosa), so it would depend on the bike, but if I had to choose the more talented one, it would be Biaggi in his prime.

He ain't as good as Troy though. And if he wins a SBK race it'll be because he's on the hottest bike in the paddock

I don't think anyone as good as Bayliss in your world richo But I can respect that. Are you saying that the Duc is not hot whenever Troy wins? I think Troy might not agree with you on this one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that a rider has a better chance of winning if he has the hottest bike in the paddock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BruceLee @ Oct 25 2006, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry guys, I guess I did bash Hayden but I started watching him when he was riding in an organization in the states called WERA. I think he was maybe 15. He was fast then. He did win an AMA championship but it was an off year for Matt Mladin. Matt lives life like Ralph Waldo Emerson would suggest, "Be your own man". (...., I can not help myself, I am trying to be respectful, it must be that damn smart ... yankee in me).

We will have a party and I will probably not survive. I am the oldest fart at 69 and the only Vale fan.

Show me 2 races that Hayden has dominated, (except Laguna Seca). Only has 3 wins in 4 seasons and 2 of the wins are Laguna Seca. The 2005 Laguna Seca race was funny to watch. Hayden had a very large lead followed by Edwards. Near the end Vale was closed so fast it was very evident he could overtake Hayden and Edwards. Vale was really cooking to show he could, but gave the local Hayden and Edwards their first win and first podium respectively.
He hasnt but so what, he deserves to be up there because he has worked hard this season, he may not be winning enough races but he is doing the next best thing by being consistent and that is what seperates Nicky from the rest except for Vale

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cleo @ Oct 25 2006, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rivalry is at the heart of Moto GP , so embrace it folks...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pacman @ Oct 28 2006, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...he may not be winning enough races but he is doing the next best thing by being consistent...

That is very true. I hate all this comparison of who deserves the championship lately. Why would anyone be awarded the championship if they didn't deserve it? Isn't that what the point system is all about? Regardless of wins (Rossi), consistency (Hayden), bad luck or good luck (Both had their share this season), there can only be one champion.

And I also don't understand the argument about this or that rider worked hard this season and what nots. I'm pretty sure ALL the riders worked hard this season. If anyone told Ellison that he didn't work hard enough this season, I'm sure he'll tell them to "go play hide and go f yourself". Well maybe not exactly like that.

So as for the last race...let it be just that, A RACE. Not a crash show...for the sake of the 990cc bikes, I hope all finish without incidents.

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%Sete and Max are vilified here on this site cuz they had the audacity to challenge the beloved son, Rossi.



I think you are missing the point. i dont know about others but when I started watching Motogp back in 2001 , 2002 I was tired of seeing Rossi win,( I had no favorites then) when Sete started to threaten his domination, I rooted for Sete. When Nicky joined motogp in 2003 I rooted for Nicky. I was hoping Biaggi would kick .... And what didI get? Nothing.
I got whining, excuses, complaints crashes etc and after the pad cleaning incident in the desert race when Sete or his team complained and rossi was moved to the last place on the grid .. etc... I said Rossi go kick their ..... even more. And have been saying that ever since. Excitement is taken out when one racer wins it all some may say...I thought so years ago, now I dont mind if Rossi wins everything there is. The only person now that I would tolerate beating Rossi is Ben Spies. But he is not in Motogp yet. Hopefully he will be soon. I would absolutely love it though if Ben beat Sete, Pedrosa, Nicky, Hopkins (who has been in the motogp 5 years now without even a podium, and last year he said that Rossi will not have it so easy in 2006, he should be the last person to say it.)Bailiss all of them. I won't mind seeing Rossi beat but it has to be someone equal or better then rossi not someone who got ahead cuz rossi had 3 dnf's through no fault of his.