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The racing heats up for Rizla Suzuki MotoGP

You're absoloutely right Skid, Kenny deserved a Honda ride and if he would have gotten one who knows what would have happened. Take the names of riders who have won a world championship on a Suzuki, Kenny Roberts Jr., Kevin Schwantz and Barry Sheene. That's saying something about Junior.

The problem with Hopper is he has too much pride and confidence in himself. He said the main reason he stayed with Suzuki is because he loves his team and he didn't want to do all the development work he's done since 2003 and leave and see someone else reap the benefits of his hard work should it suddenly become competitive. He also made some sort of remark about just hopping on an instantly quick Honda, Yamaha or Ducati and how anyone can do it. I think the smart move would have been to swallow his pride and give up being the number one rider and sign for Ducati. Yes, he would have started the season as the number two rider but with his talent aboard a stunning GP06 he might have given Capirossi a run for his money. He screwed up and I don't think Suzuki is going to get any better when the switch is made to 800s.

Vermeulen... he had too much advice and generally the wrong advice. Honda did not want Chris in MotoGP until 2007 and when Vermeulen pressured them by showing interest in Suzuki they offered him a Pons ride. I understand that Vermeulen was very close with the late Barry Sheene and Sheene told Vermeulen that satellite rides are difficult because you don't get what you want in terms of parts or development and to always take a factory ride. Well when Honda wouldn't give him the Repsol ride he went to Suzuki and the rest is history. It probably helped Suzuki's cause that Sheene was very close to the factory and influenced Vermeulen's decision. But I think if Mr. Sheene were here today and knew how big of a pile the Suzuki is and how solid the Honda is he would have told Chris to take a satellite Honda ride. And because I know someone will bring up the fact that Pons folded I will rebuttle that. Vermeulen was basically HRC property, if Pons were to go belly up Honda would have taken care of Vermeulen the way they have taken care of Stoner and the LCR team. In addition to all his advice from Barry Sheene, Colin Edwards kept telling him to get to MotoGP as soon as possible. But Colin even knows this, you need a competitive ride to make going to MotoGP worth while. Vermeulen is very young and I think the smarter move would have been to do as HRC asked and stay in WSB one more year and then come to MotoGP in 2007 aboard a Honda, maybe even a factory supported Honda.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Apr 9 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he loves his team and he didn't want to do all the development work he's done since 2003 and leave and see someone else reap the benefits of his hard work should it suddenly become competitive.
words of regret if i've ever seen em
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Apr 9 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Colin Edwards kept telling him to get to MotoGP as soon as possible. But Colin even knows this, you need a competitive ride to make going to MotoGP worth while.
because edwards remembered what happened with him & honda.
 
About the GSV, I`ll bet a damn Gixxer thou is faster. I read somewhere a while back that while Honda were letting RCV technology filter down to the CBR, Suzuki were bringing GSXR technology up to the GSV. Not a good sign, if their sub- $20,000 roadbike has technology that is in any way superiour to their multi-million dollar race prototype.

As for CV, you're spot on, Ooost. Sheene had a big impact on him in his early career. As he did for several other well known Aussies, helping them in their early careers. I think he helped Mladin and Corser, too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Apr 10 2006, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Vermeulen... he had too much advice and generally the wrong advice. Honda did not want Chris in MotoGP until 2007 and when Vermeulen pressured them by showing interest in Suzuki they offered him a Pons ride. I understand that Vermeulen was very close with the late Barry Sheene and Sheene told Vermeulen that satellite rides are difficult because you don't get what you want in terms of parts or development and to always take a factory ride. Well when Honda wouldn't give him the Repsol ride he went to Suzuki and the rest is history. It probably helped Suzuki's cause that Sheene was very close to the factory and influenced Vermeulen's decision. But I think if Mr. Sheene were here today and knew how big of a pile the Suzuki is and how solid the Honda is he would have told Chris to take a satellite Honda ride. And because I know someone will bring up the fact that Pons folded I will rebuttle that. Vermeulen was basically HRC property, if Pons were to go belly up Honda would have taken care of Vermeulen the way they have taken care of Stoner and the LCR team. In addition to all his advice from Barry Sheene, Colin Edwards kept telling him to get to MotoGP as soon as possible. But Colin even knows this, you need a competitive ride to make going to MotoGP worth while. Vermeulen is very young and I think the smarter move would have been to do as HRC asked and stay in WSB one more year and then come to MotoGP in 2007 aboard a Honda, maybe even a factory supported Honda.

spot on Ooost ... but chris really didn't want to stay in WSBK ... but you're right in saying that it would have been a smart move in staying there ...
im glad he is in MGP ... but i wish it was aboard a better ride ....
In all seriousness someone needed to tell Honda to go .... themselves ... and Vermeulen did that by going to Suzuki ... if he can SOMEHOW make some sort of dent in Honda's pride by winning or SOMETHING ... honda will come crawling back...
but the way the Suzuki is at the moment ... it looks like it will be Chris crawling back
Chris is talented... just the suzuki is a piece of ....
Am i being biased here? ... or is chris a good rider?
 
Chis is a good rider, but at the end of the day he`s got the same problem as Edwards and Hayden: He comes from a Superbike background. It`s been a long time since a Superbiker took the GP crown.
I don`t think he was sticking it up Honda, he dosen`t have Valentino`s skill or cheek. I think he just wanted to be in MotoGP yesterday. He`s said he wouldn`t mind going back.
I don`t think it`s all lost for chris, I mean if he manages to pull a Hopper, he could have other offers. He obviously wants the factory rides, but Yamaha and Honda are a bit far away. But what about Ducati? They were gonna rescue Hopper, but he decided 'A good captain goes down with the ship, then kicks it when its engine blows'
In a few years. Loris might think about retiring (If the crazy .......`s age ever cathes up with him) and Sete`s no young gun either.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Apr 9 2006, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem with Hopper is he has too much pride and confidence in himself......

Vermeulen... he had too much advice and generally the wrong advice.......

Agree with you all the way.
 
Both have pletny of time left, I believe they're both 23. Katt, Vermeulen is a very good rider but like richo said it's hard for SBK riders to successfully make the transition but when you come over at a young age it's easier. Hayden is nearly there in his fourth season and now at 24. If Vermeulen can out in those heroic rides like Hopper, which I think he can, he will get those sort of offers for a satellite Honda or Yamaha or a Ducati ride just as Hopper did.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 5 2006, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that's why u should'nt read to much into testing, practice or even qualifying. thier out ther just gettin things fine tuned as best they can. how many times have u seen the suzis & kwackers at the top of the time sheet's during practice & qualifying just to see em finish mid pack or worse? racing is different. when the lights go out, the cream rises to the top!
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yeh but if your talking about honda you have to realize somtimes $hit floats in the bowl too. and the more turds on the trac give you a greater chance at letteing loose a floater.

go Yamaha
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Katt @ Apr 10 2006, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Am i being biased here? ... or is chris a good rider?
yes & yes
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (thirty4 @ Apr 10 2006, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeh but if your talking about honda you have to realize somtimes $hit floats in the bowl too. and the more turds on the trac give you a greater chance at letteing loose a floater.

go Yamaha
yea but honda aint .... now is it! without rossi, yamaha's just another steamin pile fer sure tho!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 11 2006, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yea but honda aint .... now is it! without rossi, yamaha's just another steamin pile fer sure tho!
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Rossi can have that effect.
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But I aint sticking up for no Honda
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Just thought I would add in that I read somewhere the grand total of confirmed engine blows for the weekend at Qatar... 13. Oops?
 
The main factor in the number of engines expiring in qatar was the amount of sand blowing around I don't know about the Suzukis, anyone see any news on that one post it!

As far as Hopper and Vermeulen, the only good thing to come of the disastrous start to the year is that now everybody has a fair idea the Suzuki is a donkey. I think it takes a whole heap of pressure off Chris. He can just get into his groove, get comfortable with the tracks and with the gp style of riding whilst at the same time if he manages to get it in the top ten he'll be a hero. He's not ready to race these guys yet. I don't think anyone in motogp except for Rossi can actually tell Honda to get stuffed and I don't think they ever did. HRC will still be watching Vermeulen very closely.

John has to ride his ... off. He is established as a talented rider and as ooost said he can be a prick sometimes with his attitude but at the same time think about this, for a while he really had a genuine belief that one day Suzuki would give him a competitive bike. This is going to be a long season for Hoppo. I think he's been promised the earth, if I were John I'd be thinking I'm wasting my time at Suzuki. ( cut to pic of John kicking a dead bike. ) He knows the tracks, he's got balls, he knows how to race those guys, he is as ready as he's ever gonna be. Pity he didn't leave Suzuki when he had the chance, KRJr syndrome
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Apr 10 2006, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I aint sticking up for no Honda
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thats alright..... i will
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Apr 11 2006, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>one day Suzuki would give him a competitive bike.
he better hope the new 800 will be the bike he's been promised. it's to late for that lump he's ridin now!
 
Just thought I would correct myself, 13 engine changes so not sure how many of those were confirmed blows. And skid spot on again with Hopper, he may only be 23 at the moment but he is as ready as he will ever be to take on the likes of Rossi, Hayden, Pedrosa and Capirossi. It's too bad he has the KRJR syndrome, a Duc ride would have surely solved that.
 
If the past is anything to go by, the Suzuki 800 will be even less competitive in comparison to the rest of the grid than the GSV. Their bikes just seem to be getting worse. I mean RGV to old GSV to new GSV..... things are getting worse for Suzuki. I dont think they can undo that much damage with on, untried and tested motorcycle. I hope they prove me wrong, but logic says they wont
 

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