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The Laguna 08 'Brake Check'

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The Laguna Seca 08 ‘Brake Check’

What is the ‘Brake Check’-

Quote from Australian Bike Mag AMCN article on racings top dirty deeds;

The Brake Check

“What is it?
Most riders use braking markers at the side of the track to pinpoint exactly when to apply their brakes. But what if someone is right behind you? The shadowing rider has been up your chuff for a few laps, they anticipate when you will brake. Time to throw a spanner in the works. By braking just a few meters earlier than they are expecting, you throw their concentration, causing them to panic and, hopefully, run wide or even off the track.”

“Case Study
During the Laguna Seca MotoGP in 2008, Casey Stoner was attached to Valentino Rossi’s backside like a haemorrhoid! Stoner had the speed, but he simply couldn’t find a way past the wily Italian. Then, with eight laps to go, entering into the first corner, Stoner suddenly had to take evasive action, braking harder than normal. In the sudden moment of panic, he ran off the track, surrendering any chance of winning”

“The Result
Casey Stoner was incensed and refused to shake Valentino Rossi’s hand in Parc Ferme after the race. He delivered a rather frosty ‘I don’t want to talk to you, mate’ in front of the BBC cameras. In typical fashion the Italian simply laughed if off and appeared baffled that there was even a problem. When asked about his take on events Rossi simply replied, ‘About what?’ – with a wry smile on his face.”



Maybe it’s just me but I thought this was a complete bunch of ........, and I’m hoping someone here can find me some evidence or something to prove or disprove this; it’s probably lying on a network hard drive at Fiat Yamahas head office.

If Rossi did break a ‘few’ meters earlier (at that speed), could it have not been down to a number of other reasons?
Maybe

-trying to get the best line for corner exit to prevent CS from powering past at the end of the straight again,
- Adjusting braking points for Tyre preservation 8 laps out could be another

Do Riders really hit their braking markers within a meter every lap, for 28 odd laps, in a battle royal on race day? (I don’t actually know, so enlighten me here if I’m wrong)

Has CS ever been quoted as saying it was VR’s Brake Check that made him run off-track? If so can someone tell me where to find the interview?

I would imagine CS was much more upset about firstly-Losing…. or maybe the dirt tracking near miss at the Corkscrew! Or the two near misses at turn 1, or the round the outside move he made himself on the way up the hill, which didn’t quite pay off.

Or maybe VR was hoping to put Casey off just enough to have him suddenly take evasive action, brake harder than normal and then in the sudden moment of panic make him run off the track, and make it look like it was all his fault! Wow I think Rossi is incredible but to pull this off is more like Science- sour grapes - Fiction…..



Discuss
 
Impossible discussion.

And even then, its already been discussed young newbie (I say this with affection). Use the search engine and you will find it. BTW, only three people know if a “brake check” really happen, 1. God, 2. Rossi, 3. Me. Neither of them cares to discuss it.

Bye bye.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 24 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Impossible discussion.

And even then, its already been discussed young newbie (I say this with affection). Use the search engine and you will find it. BTW, only three people know if a “brake check” really happen, 1. God, 2. Rossi, 3. Me. Neither of them cares to discuss it.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 24 2009, 06:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Impossible discussion.

And even then, its already been discussed young newbie (I say this with affection). Use the search engine and you will find it. BTW, only three people know if a “brake check” really happen, 1. God, 2. Rossi, 3. Me. Neither of them cares to discuss it.

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Thats only two people................... No your not God!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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someone must havr taken 30 seconds from their life to make that up

what loser

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you always post lost of laughing smilies when your pissed off or proved wrong... you funny !
 
100% brake check. If you re-watch it and listen to Hoppers comments, it's pretty obvious. Given how hard Stoner went at Rossi the previous lap, it's totally understandable. Thing is, Stoner made the mistake of not going under Rossi.
<-Fan of the brake check (as long as you don't do it to me)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 24 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you always post lost of laughing smilies when your pissed off or proved wrong... you funny !


yes it must be noticeably occurring a lot after your proving me wrong or pissing me off type threads, like the one above!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 24 2009, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes it must be noticeably occurring a lot after your proving me wrong or pissing me off type threads, like the one above!!

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Gotta say, I get bored with every topic ending up a .... fight between you two idiots !!!!
 
true! maybe we should just get married ? what do you say Rog.

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but really Nuts ..... is this thread worth any more than the few other threads on the famous Laguna brake check incident ........ its got no real solution, nor is it of any consequence
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When it comes down to it, what does your post add to the topic? its a dead thread
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Jul 24 2009, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gotta say, I get bored with every topic ending up a .... fight between you two idiots !!!!
i will remember this insult from you nuts !
 
Nuts let'em have at it....Rog and Barry remind me of brothers that continually fight.....(brothers from a different mother that is!)

flame away Rog and Barry
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 24 2009, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i will remember this insult from you nuts !

No insult dude........
Sorry - 'idiots' retracted.
If I had said - you two fuckers, would you have been insulted
 
Even if it was an intentional brake check (and considering the manner of the racecraft that round I have no doubt it was) Rossi had the line and Stoner was too close so tough luck. I agree with rog and clarkw on this one. It isn't whether it happened but rather did you like it. I didn't, many did. Big deal. Nothing wrong with second at Laguna especially when you wipe out in the gravel, pick up your bike, get going and still beat everyone else.
 
It really boils down to this, Casey Stoner said in the post race interview that his going down in the gravel was "his fault". He accepted the incident as his.

When the guy (Stoner) that supposedly was brake checked admits the incident was his fault, immediately after losing the race, when his emotions very high as we all know. Then I would not put blame on someone else. What Stoner was pissed off about was the other hard racing that was going on, namely the pass in the corkscrew. But let's not reopen that can again.
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Only fault I can see with the article is they say it was turn 1. It could just be a typo?

My take: If Rossi brake checked and Casey rammed him and they both went down then Nicky would have podiumed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 24 2009, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7549:He_was_pushing.jpg]

That's racing !
Only an ... would post this! Oh look who was posting! lol
 

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