<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 30 2009, 07:03 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Lex, why don't we just get rid of all those pesky cameras catching people acting like ........ and abusing their power. Let's see, why don't we start with all those cameras catching cops beat the .... out of people or how about those cameras catching Acorn workers giving advice to pimps (I'm sure Pov will appreciate that one).
AMA Pro Racing is a a private for-profit company. It doesn't matter how .... they are, you can slag them of all you want, but they can fire you. The same way your employer can fire you if you violate company policy. JRP isn't an employee so they can only suspend him from competition.
ACORN is a private not-for-profit (I think they are a 501c3 as well) who accept money from the government. They are falling on the sword b/c they want the Federal Government to continue funding their operation.
Apples and oranges. The companies are completely different and so are the circumstances under which they operate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Lex you never cease to amaze me, and frankly knowing your political view, scares me.
So you're bright solution to J. R. Page catching an arrogant fool making a complete ....... of himself or busting a rider threatening another one with violence is to get rid of the device that brought this behavior to light? I had already made up my mind a long time ago that 99% of what you say is worthless, but now you're at 99.9%.
Had it not been for Page, we would not have had hard examples of DMG's complete arrogance and abuse of power. But then again, you’d like that. Same goes for your political views, sweep all the previous ...... track record under the rug, don’t show anybody anything was wrong, its un-American, right?
And yes, due process was circumvented, do you still have to ask after plenty of examples? We are talking about racing and the rules and responsibilities between participants and organizers, so don't go trying to compare it to some lofty civil rights movement. DMG has show time and time again that they apply the rules as they see fit and not what is stated, and when penalties or favors given out, its hardly above board. The sanctioning rules have a due process to deal with such complaints or violations, and the point being made is that this protocol has not been followed. Do you understand the most basic issues being discussed regarding DMG?
Jumkie, if you were to take a camera to your workplace to make your own reality show, there is a good chance they would tell you to turn it off and quit taping people. Even if you were trying to catch your boss who was a complete jerk, they would still fire you or have you removed from the office if you didn't drop the camera.
That is their right as a private enterprise.
JRP has the right to challenge DMG's decision to suspend him indefinitely b/c he invested a good amount of money in order to participate in the AMA and he can argue that they have impaired his investment unjustly via quite a few different civil lawsuits.
I said from the very beginning if JRP had half a brain he would have sent the tape to Edmondson with a note detailing his experiences and asking for a change in officiating personnel. Unfortunately, most of the people on the track don't know how to "keep things in the family". If your boss said something terrible to you, you would run to your local paper. You'd fire off an email to someone higher up.
People need to learn the difference between public law and private law. Due process is public law. Private entities are bound by due process or the bill of rights or almost anything else (except for civil rights and other employment law).
Private entities do not have to give you freedom of speech or freedom of assembly or freedom to exercise religion. They don't have to let you bear arms. They don't have to give you a trial. They don't have to obtain a warrant to search company property that they have entrusted to you.
Due process would only apply if the Federal Government had a law that interfered with DMG's treatment of JRP.
