The 2013 Murdering Mark "race incident" Thread.

[JohnnyKnockdown]

I thought we could get a head start on predictions and guesses as to who Marquez will murder next year.

One things for sure, It wont be Nicky Hayden or Ben Spies.







Also we could compile a list of excuses as to why any incident with him will be deemed a "race incident"

We could use terms like.

"people dont understand how he rides with passion"

or " two bikes trying to share the same real estate,"

or "he had 5 lines thru that corner, they cant use the same line, it was their fault"

 

[BarryMachine]

Its kind of a shame that Casey and Mark aren't racing against each other ......... two very different takes on "safety" there.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

assen chicane puig



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[cliche guevara]

i'd like to add "he races with the heart" before edwards does it

 

[alfonz1]

He will be the next Pedrosa. Get a few wins but never the main title. I think he will struggle without his acceleration advantage he has in moto2 because of his weight or at least I hope. I'm sick of spanish riders.

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

He will be the next Pedrosa. Get a few wins but never the main title. I think he will struggle without his acceleration advantage he has in moto2 because of his weight or at least I hope. I'm sick of spanish riders.

Get used to it.

Emperor Puig and Dornas grand scheme has come to fruition.

Groom an army of Spanish and Italian midgets and create an Italy vs Spain oompla loompa fest.



Murderquez has already murdered Dornas last bit of integrity, and any future hope of a true world championship

 

[L8Braker]

I think Marquez is damaged goods, when he swings a leg over a MotoGP bike it will be more obvious. I could be wrong, but I really don't give a .... anymore. Motogp needs a major shot in the arm and I doubt this kid will be it! Iannone however???/

 

[HEISMAN]

Get used to it.

Emperor Puig and Dornas grand scheme has come to fruition.

Groom an army of Spanish and Italian midgets and create an Italy vs Spain oompla loompa fest.



Murderquez has already murdered Dornas last bit of integrity, and any future hope of a true world championship

What Italian riders have the backing of Repsol and HRC?



Sic had HRC support, and Dovi is a lost cause. After that who else is there...Iannone??? Gimme a break

 

[eltoro]

Haha, I remember creating a thread about whether Marquez was going to be the next target of hate. Most people were positive/lukewarm about him in that thread, but it appears those attitudes are changing to dislike or hate.

 

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[Mental Anarchist]

Murdering Mark, helping Ezy kill the credibility of MotoGP. Like he needed help!

 

[JohnnyKnockdown]

I can't put the blame on marquez. He's just a supremely talented who has been given more opportunity then any other rider.

Years ago I pointed out that the talent influx into GP is coming from Italy and Spain. Piug the Dark Lord is in charge of grooming this talent and giving them a pathway to GP. He pulls almost all his talent from spain. American, and Australian riders have no shot at GP thru the moto 1 and 2 ranks.

So I looked at GP and said that in 4 or 5 years Rossi will retire,taking his hordes of fans with him and we will be left with a Spanish/ Italy cup that noone gives a flying .... about.

Fast Foward to now, we have a Spanish rider that has so much clout that rules are being changed to suit him and non Euro riders are being shunned because of their passport.

Marquez deserves no blame but most certainly is a symbolic nail in the coffin of a ailing World championship

 

[thedeal]

I can't put the blame on marquez. He's just a supremely talented who has been given more opportunity then any other rider.

Years ago I pointed out that the talent influx into GP is coming from Italy and Spain. Piug the Dark Lord is in charge of grooming this talent and giving them a pathway to GP. He pulls almost all his talent from spain. American, and Australian riders have no shot at GP thru the moto 1 and 2 ranks.

So I looked at GP and said that in 4 or 5 years Rossi will retire,taking his hordes of fans with him and we will be left with a Spanish/ Italy cup that noone gives a flying .... about.

Fast Foward to now, we have a Spanish rider that has so much clout that rules are being changed to suit him and non Euro riders are being shunned because of their passport.

Marquez deserves no blame but most certainly is a symbolic nail in the coffin of a ailing World championship

While i agree i think you are missing the point that Ben is keeping his ride in a factory team because the americans still have a lot of sway so it aint over yet but im not holding my breath,unless somthing happens very soon your prediction will become fact.

 

[eltoro]

It brings up a good debate about geographic diversity vs. meritocracy. It seems people gripe about the dearth of their countrymen in the series, yet if a sizable number of up and coming riders happen to be from a certain geographic location/nationality (in this case Spanish) then is it ok to limit the number of riders from that country for the sake of diversity? As of the current situation, there is a gaggle of young Spaniards who are barnstorming the lower classes at the moment, I don't think it is right to limit their ceiling because the series would become too 'Spanish'. If they have the results to show for in the lower classes, they should get a chance to race in MotoGP based on meritocracy.

Spain just seems to have the best development programs for young riders that no other country can match at the moment, so it is not a surprise that a lot of talent is coming from there. If other countries had the same involvement in developing young riders, I think they would be able to produce competitive talent on the scale that Spain does and supply MotoGP with more geographic diversity.

 

[baturro]

Thanks eltoro!!! Been saying that for a while now, but it's much to logical a reason for world wide fans to understand. Much easier to ..... and make cheap shots at Spanish "midgets" and blame Dorna, Repsol, for turning Moto GP into a Spanish dominated sport.



I imagine it's hard to understand the importance motorcycle racing has here in Spain for fans living in the US, UK as examples. MotoGP is the second or third most watched. Futbol is king here, as in the UK. I take a guess that for the UK it's followed maybe by rugby, cricket. Well here it's followed by GP. It's what the little kids on the street want to grow up to be!



Curve, how many redneck Texan cowboys you know that have any idea who Rossi is? Being half Minnesotan, I can tell you my Minn red neck friend don't have a clue, and most don't know there is a track in Brainerd, Minn, let alone a global series. Sorry, they do drag racing at BIR...



It is a FACT that many riders come over to this fine country to compete in the CEV. Stoner, Brad Smith, and for the USA Dakota Mamola to name a couple examples. Why? Nothing going on in their respective countries to fulfill their dream?? Seems to me like the intellectual brain drain but in this case rides leaving local series for the CEV.



The bash Spain thing gets old. Bitching gets nothing done, working hard does, and Spain in motorcycle racing has. Historically, UK and Italy had the most wins championships etc, they were the ..... What happened boys??



Stop pointing the finger this way.

 

[BarryMachine]

I just think the real problem is that the Spanish are so fast!!





Good on em!!



Next year there won't be any Aussies as fast as them.



There are no Brits or Yanks as fast as Lorenzo or Pedrosa.



Folk talk of "the wrong passport". The "wrong passport" would be one were a country by pressure got a rider into the championship and they did not compete with the top guys on equal rides.



Instead of whinging at the MGP setup, you should be whinging to your countries Motorcycle racing authorities so that they build up talent by forming a series that produces good riders from a young age.



Spain has had such a series for a while now

 

[Gaz]

Exactly Baz.



One can only be as good as the system allows and from all reports the Spanish system should form the model for all countries who wish to produce champion road race motorcyclists.



Yes, there may well always be exceptional talent that comes from other countries and yes, sometimes they may reach the heights that the current and future Spanish riders will attain, and they will do it through the same sheer hard work.



None of these guys get an 'armchair' ride into MGP and all are deserving of a chance (IMO) and if it just so happens that the best riders for the near future are Spanish then so be it and they should not be stopped nor begrudged.



As for Aussies, well time will tell as Miller and Sissis will continue to try to make a name but sadly I am struggling to see that light at teh end of the tunnel for us Aussies



Actually, and in contrast to many I am really looking forward to the Spanish influx of riders and the others within the field having to lift to match the talent, it should be an enthralling few years

 

[Mental Anarchist]

Nothing wrong with Spain having a great system that produces great riders. The problem is the reaction of the sport, media and fans when non spanish riders do well. Another problem is when Spanish riders who are good and have had all the advantages through out their career are given preferential treatment through rule changes and sponsor leverage to insert them directly into the top of the big game. If they are good then just let them earn their way in their under the same rules that the rest of the world has to do it under. If Miller or Sissis had wanted to jump straight to factory bike would the rules have been changed? Of course not. This is the problem.

 

[BarryMachine]

Nothing wrong with Spain having a great system that produces great riders. The problem is the reaction of the sport, media and fans when non spanish riders do well. Another problem is when Spanish riders who are good and have had all the advantages through out their career are given preferential treatment through rule changes and sponsor leverage to insert them directly into the top of the big game. If they are good then just let them earn their way in their under the same rules that the rest of the world has to do it under. If Miller or Sissis had wanted to jump straight to factory bike would the rules have been changed? Of course not. This is the problem.

Bit confused by this ....... I've rarely seen .... behavior from fans of the Spanish riders.



Or are you saying they will become like the UK Rossi fans?

 

[Noodles Romanoff]

One result of the Spanish/Euro system is the death of other local series in terms of relevance as a career steeping stone. Once upon a time, riders would be scouted or selected from different national series..... or at least have factories/teams noticing what was going on there.



AMA and ASBK have absolutely no meaning now as a stepping stone. Factory machines or parts, here in Aus anyway, are non-existant. A factory bike is just supplied by the biggest local dealer.



To some extent, that was always the case, though some trick stuff used to filter through, and factories would compete against each other in the National series to maintain bragging rights, if nothing else.



Now, with very few exceptions (Spies) a national series championship/wins/ride is just something you tack onto your resume to prove you know what a motorcycle looks like.



If you ain't done it in Europe.....it don't count.



And to do it in Europe, you gotta (or your parents) sell up everything, hedge your bets and spend nearly every cent you own to take your shot..like Stoner, Miller and Sissis (and Gardner, though he got noticed and given a shot through his efforts in the BSB )



If you're Spanish or Italian, it would by nature of language, conacts and geography be a whole lot cheaper and easier....so more riders.



I don't buy that the Spanish and Italians have hit a purple patch through their local development of the sport and riders.



It's just easier when your whole family doesn't have mortage their future on a chance.









Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think there's a bunch of guys here who can step straight in a beat 'em all.......but there's plenty of talent that won't ever get the chance to find out if they could.





As of now, three Yanks, A Pom and an Aussie......the rest ?





Next year, three Yanks (maybe one ?) and a Pom.



Dorna's nearly there.





.....Oh............ Marquez !........dirty little.......