"Texas tornado" speaks out

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hopefully rossi dont go over to bridestone and ... up the develpment over there too

Thanks for the link.

It will be interesting to see how Colin goes in 2008.
I think he will be leading the Tech3 team at least for the first half of the season and hopefully we will see some improved consistency from him.

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pessimist pinky

thats the first time i've heard a rider speak out about valentino's tyres.. the bridgestone is a harder tyre so it should help,

I read it closely to see if he actually said that Michelin would be fine without him. Predictably, Edwards doesn't. He says the riders who are left are at an advantage because they will get to develop what they want.

I have a feeling Colin is going to wake up in a nightmare next season though. I have a feeling Michelin are going to be sending resources in Lorenzo's direction and not towards the departing vet.

I figured this was probably out of context because Rossi and Edwards get along well and I'd be surprised if CE fired a one man salvo at Rossi in his last season.

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I read it closely to see if he actually said that Michelin would be fine without him. Predictably, Edwards doesn't. He says the riders who are left are at an advantage because they will get to develop what they want.

I have a feeling Colin is going to wake up in a nightmare next season though. I have a feeling Michelin are going to be sending resources in Lorenzo's direction and not towards the departing vet.

I figured this was probably out of context because Rossi and Edwards get along well and I'd be surprised if CE fired a one man salvo at Rossi in his last season.


I took it more along the lines of him being optimistic that the remaining Michelin riders have a preference for the a similar type of tyre. I think it would be unwise to focus on Lorenzo too much for tyre development in his rookie year.

I don't see Michelin sending most of their resources anywhere except Pedrosa. After Rossi, Pedrosa was probably there best chance in the 2008 season. Yeah, it would be nice to see Edwards improve next year on Tech 3, we can only hope.

It could also mean that the Frogs can focus more on tires that
all the others can use as opposed to building tires for Rossi and then everyone else. Possible freeing up resources that benefit a few rather than 1.
Judging by the Yams lack of traction the last 2 years I am skeptical that the Frogs have been more focused on Rossi.
Interesting that he thinks the B's will not be going out of their way for Rossi.

I have been reading the Rossi thread and this one as well. Everyone is on one side of the fence or as far as Rossi getting the bstones.

I for one believe that Rossi getting the Bstones is not so much a testament to Rossi's influence on the sport as it is a result of Dorna pressure on both of the tyre manufacturers in order to make racing more exciting and close for next year.

I will say that I agree with CEII that Rossi is not/will not be a major focus for Bstone. He will probably just have to ride what is available and works for the other Bstone riders. Remember a Rossi specific Yamaha/Bstone developed tyre that workds at most to all of the tracks is about 2 years behind the Ducati.

Michelin... well we know that all guns will be firing next year if they want to remain in motogp. Michelin can't afford to have two years straight of getting their teeth kicked in by Bstones. Motogp will definitely be a single tyre class if they don't get their act together...

CEII.. Let's hope that the Yamaha becomes much more competitive next year and Michelin delivers the goods...(C-ya in AMA in '09)

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I don't see Michelin sending most of their resources anywhere except Pedrosa. After Rossi, Pedrosa was probably there best chance in the 2008 season. Yeah, it would be nice to see Edwards improve next year on Tech 3, we can only hope.



I agree...but I would add Lorenzo to the mix....

Why would Michelin want to develop for data gotten by Nicky's sliding dirt track style or Colin's slow superbike style?

Dani and Jorge are smooth fast 250 boys....the main beneficiaries of Michelins development around Jorge and Dani will RDP and Dovi...

If you ain't a recent 250 graduate then you will struggle on Michelins in 2008...

Toseland has enough a learning curve that Michelins developement direction will neither help nor hinder his season.

Whatever anyone might say about rossi, one thing that is certain is that he ain't stupid. A hard tyre similar to stoner's will suit him just fine.

I think the performance of the bridgestone tyres across the bridgestone teams was fairly consistent this year, with the bridgestone tracks (apparently most tracks in 2007) proving to be good for all bridgestone teams. Discrepant results mainly occurred when an individual rider ie capirossi chose a different compound tyre to the majority; I don't know about barros's podium result as I was travelling overseas and missed that race.

I suspect that the bridgestones are less individually tailored than the michelins in general anyway, which would seem to be supported by this year's results after the tyre rule change.

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Remember a Rossi specific Yamaha/Bstone developed tyre that workds at most to all of the tracks is about 2 years behind the Ducati.


I agree but hes already quite fast on what he has tested on so far... which means he will just get faster and faster the more time he has to develop the tyre.

Even at starting level the tyre is definately better in a race situation than the michelin.

thanks for the link. I always enjoy reading Edward's frank and honest opinions. did not realize that there tires were developed for individual tires. If that is the case, I think Rossi is screwed because Bridgestone did not want him in the first place

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thanks for the link. I always enjoy reading Edward's frank and honest opinions. did not realize that there tires were developed for individual tires. If that is the case, I think Rossi is screwed because Bridgestone did not want him in the first place


With the tyre rules now they have to pick the tyres before the race its a gamble so they bring a generic tyre to the races via last years data.

The only problem is the yamaha doesn't have any, but as far as Rossi getting inferior quality to Stoner.... i doubt that.

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Jeez, do you never get bored of spouting this .....?

Pete

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With the tyre rules now they have to pick the tyres before the race its a gamble so they bring a generic tyre to the races via last years data.

The only problem is the yamaha doesn't have any, but as far as Rossi getting inferior quality to Stoner.... i doubt that.


Just like at Michelin the ones runnning the show are the tire manufacturer. Their represetntative listen to the team and pick the (hopefully) right tires. Regarding tailored tires I think that's more of a michelin thing and something comming the last few years as they have been strugeling, and you don't have to read much between the lines to see that Rossi suspect that others get more tailoring than he does.
If the yamaha chassi is as good in '08 as in '07 I think he will be fine on one of the more generic tires.

Edwards has always had a big mouth (particularly in his WSBK days and upon coming across to MotoGP) yet he has quited down the last few seasons as he has gone from bad to worse. Seems he was only really in the factory Yamaha team to assist Rossi with developing the bike, tyres back him up with supporting comments etc.

A great superbike rider during his prime but he has been very disappointing in MotoGP. His demotion to the satellite team will lead to worse results still and he will then be dumped from the paddock. Hopefully he will return to WSBK next year and get back onto the podium.

He's another great WSBK rider that has not adjusted to MotoGP just like Corser, Haga, Bayliss etc.

Interested to hear thoughts on why these top SBK riders can't win in MotoGP (well done Bayliss though on the one off win in the final race 2006). Is it the different riding style or bike set up etc or are they just not as talented as riders? Though quality MotoGP riders going to WSBK have struggled to consistently ride well and win races including Barros, Abe etc. Biaggi was very good but still couldn't win a big bike title.

Doohan could be the exception to the rule having won world superbike races in the first year of the championship and then going to win world titles in GP. But then again he is arguably the best ever..

I really do maintain that his nickname should be "The Texas Windbag" ..

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Edwards has always had a big mouth

A great superbike rider during his prime but he has been very disappointing in MotoGP. His demotion to the satellite team will lead to worse results still and he will then be dumped from the paddock. Hopefully he will return to WSBK next year and get back onto the podium.

He's another great WSBK rider that has not adjusted to MotoGP just like Corser, Haga, Bayliss etc


Edwards, Haga, Hodgson, Xaus, Bayliss, Hayden - SBK guys have all struggled for a variety of reasons. Some-to-most, not of their own accord. None of the superbike guys have been a #1 rider and priority in Motogp. Bayliss was close but ran into an italian motogp legend in an italian team. He was not #1 rider.

Haga, Hodgson, Xaus - I really don't think that you should have expected them to win on grossly underdeveloped bike with 3rd rate tyres. (Edwards for some of his time as well)

If the current tyre and bike development issues haven't illuminated anything it has been how only a certain few riders and a few teams have access to the top tyres/equipment.

Satellite teams are so far down the development and support list it's laughable. Ask Team KR or LCR Honda or Konica Minolta. Those guys get whatever is handed to them bike wise at the start of the season and limp along for until midseason to 3/4 season when they get minimal upgrades.

Edwards specifically is a complete mystery or a lesson into motogp politics. He has never been a Priority Rider on any team except Aprillia.

I believe on the Honda he was a step child interms of support and bike assistance. Michelin and Edwards struck up a great relationship as they tried to develop tyres to solve the chattering issues.

The Tyre relationship has been the only thing keeping him in Gps. He moved from Sat-Honda to Aprillia to Yamaha. Aprillia was impossible to ride due to the lack of electronics, development etc.

Yamaha -Rossi arrangement - Colin is the #2 rider period. He gets upgrades much much later in the year - Remember the engine and chasiss upgrades that Rossi received and Colin didn't get them until about 3 rounds later?

Colin accepted his role a long time ago and is making his money, traveling the world enjoying racing and life. I don't see him as any less talented than the rest of the paddock.

Make your money CEII. Enjoy your family, racing in the top series. I hope that you come back to AMA as a #1 rider.