Suzuki worried about their plummet...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 23 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's been said and said. And oddly enough I agree with Migs (more or less, I think). Migs, tell me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Signing Spies would have been great for a few years down the line should they ever get the factory behind them and Denning to run the team properly and have the team do their jobs properly. But until that happens, Suzuki MotoGP will be a mess and they need all the stability they can get. Capirossi is a perfect fit for them until he decided to hang up his leathers and I think Vermeulen has shown his speed when the GSVR is running properly and maybe has another season in him to prove it.

Spies would have been great for Suzuki if they could pull their heads out. But until that happens, it's not likely Spies could have done much more than Cappers or Vermy.

Totally disagree. Is that what you would have advised Rossi before Yamaha signed him? Yamaha were considered sub par, were they not? It’s like asking a broken car to fix itself before you take a ride in it, WTF. It takes a shake up to create change! What Suzuki did was continue the mediocrity! Zero improvement from this year, and plummet from the previous, and their answer was to go with more of the same? Again, WTF? Of the two riders they have, I would have kept Capi, but to keep Vermi over a rider who proved he had made the MotoGP transition, & add to that he is young and hungry, this would have been the better bet.

Adding Spies against Dennings wishes should have been the statement that Suzuki were truning the page on a failed effort. Look how Team Alice improved after they got rid of D'antin. The answer here was to infuse new young blood, a capable rider (surely not any lesser than Vermi) and axe those that are dead weight. Sign Spies, Capi stays, Paul Dumnning goes, problem solved!

Asking for Migs' approval on hating Spies, an American, is like asking a Fox news if they agreed with the recent Palin speech. A third, WTF.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 24 2008, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no one @suzuki is wondering to themselves "yo, remind me, why didn't we sign Spies again?"

probably because signing him would have done absolutely nothing for their 2008 season. it might have helped their 2009 season, we will never know. let it go, there is nothing you or i can do to change it.
You are such a genius Al.

Go back and read Curves' POST again, he'll give you a hint.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 24 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>seems that you should go and read the link you referred to as well then. try telling me where it says ANYTHING about 2009 apart from the 2009 BIKE.

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seems were both geniuses/genii?


Ok, I'll just let you be dumb then. I don't have the patience to spell it out for you.

As you ponder your IQ, ask yourself, had they signed him, would he had ridden in 08... genius?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Oct 24 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are Suzuki really plummetting or simple standing still while others are getting their act together more with the 800cc formula?
Isn't that just as bad in this sport? Moot point my friend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Oct 24 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get the feeling that Suzuki hoped they would improve /catch up enough this season so they could attract a promising rookie for 2009.


Uhm, I think they did. The rookies name was Ben Spies.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Oct 24 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Spies didn't want to join them 2009.Or was advised not to sign with them.

Perhaps, so they should have negotiated to convince him to stay if that were the case. But I seriously doubt it. Paul Denning pulled the strings, unfortunately for this dumb team; they listened to a man who had just pulled his finger out his .... Get rid of Denning and everything would have been different. Now they deserve their "fear of plummeting" in the standings because that is exactly what they aimed for.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 24 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so, not going to even try put your point across in a different way to make simple me understand?

seems i will just have to sit here and count my fingers and toes again, hoping someone will explain it to me in plain english.
Haha. Ok Al, you just took my foul mood to positive (thanx). Was having a bit of a bad Friday (yeah, I know, is that even possible).

Basically, I posted the link to Suzuki's fear of plummeting in the standings. I was trying to make the point that they should have signed Spies, which at very least would have been a shake up and potential for improvement in their dilemma. Sure, this year is lost, but when you "sign" a person, its for NEXT year, so the implication is they would have been working to improve for 09.

Get it now big buddy?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 24 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>remeber how you felt during 2007 and most of 2008?
Outch, don't remind me man. Its been a disaster.

I feel for you being a Suzuki fan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 24 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope you are ready for socialism. It takes a true ....... to tax happiness out of existence when he is a young man on the rise. Especially when you consider we will have 50% more irresponsible seniors to take care of.
We can thank the Bush/McCain's of the world for socialism of the rich. While countries like most 1st world place in Europe, and Canada have a 'socialized' health system which benefit all their citizens, you are happy to elect people who would do this for the top 1 percent of the nation only. And you want to cry ‘socialism’. You are dumb but you do spell fair, so what is your problem?

You’re to blind to filter what you are force fed on Hannity and repeat their weak cry that Obama is a socialist because he wants to lower taxes for the most productive sector of our society. Do the math, all the independent fact checks agree that McBush will actually cost the nation more with his fake ... “tax cut” than Obama’s by 300 billion. In other words, the deficit will actually increase under McBush. Also, why do you avoid no mention of your party’s socialist tendencies which do NOT allow large corporations to fail? Ah, because this is ‘socialism’ at its best according to your ideology.

Irresponsible seniors you say, haha, tell me something genius, if I walk into my local bank and ask them for a million bucks, who's responsibility is it to check to see if I can pay it back? They loaned the money, but they did so with no fear because they knew people like you would elect republicans who ache to reward them when 'irresponsible' business practices fail. Tell me something Lex, why don't they let these business fail, just like regular citizens when they .... up and make poor decisions? The answer, as long as there are republican in power, they will have no fear, all they have to do is extend their hand and the money comes poring in from my back pocket.

Wake up man, you and your type of voter are ....... up the nation. We haven't even talked about all the hate your candidates brew at their hate rallys. Divide, scare, and repeat.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Oct 24 2008, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wasn't it decided quite early in the season that Spies would get the wild cards?Perhaps he hoped the Suzuki would be better this season than it turned out,compared to the competition.I think he wasn't that interrested in Suzuki specificly but more a good chance to impress a better team as the season progressed.Knowing that if you get on the wrong team as a rookie and don't do well you might be overlooked because of other new tallents the following year
Perhaps. I guess what I'm saying is that Suzuki, if they want to make a credible effort in MotoGP, need to start looking like a committed team to change their mediocre standing. Something I think hasn't been done and certainly not the message they sent out by keeping both their average riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Oct 24 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>then the fault lies with management, not the riders surely?
Yes, I agree with your post. And I do think the race bosses need to be held more accountable. If you were the team owner, seeing how poorly Team Suzuki has performed, with two capable rider like Vermi/Capi, wouldn't you start axing a few higher ups (hint,: Paul Denning)? And when you are done with them, perhaps start to rethink your riders too.

Vermi is a cool cat, but I would have gambled with Spies.