Suzuki worried about their plummet...

Why would they be worried about plummeting?

We are going to have a completely different control tire for next season. Why are they panicked that they might not be able to run it?

They haven't even tried it yet..........................................................


<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

Spies did himself no favours at Assen, and that's why I believe he won't be there next year.
Suzuki suck almost as badly as kawasaki. They're whole effort in GP's has lacked focus for years ( or, you could argue, the whole time they've been in grands prix). I think management is definately a problem, but we also don't know how much effort the Japanese honchos are putting in. Maybe Denning's hands are tied? Who knows?
Personally, I would have liked to CV go back to WSBK on a factory ducati and leave the mediocrity that is suzuki behind. Capi will stay for as long as they'll have him and then retire, which is fair enough, even though I don't think he's going to do much for them.
Maybe Spies and Yoshi is the answer, but I don't think we're going to see that happen any time soon.
I expect they'll be mid pack at best again next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Oct 24 2008, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies did himself no favours at Assen, and that's why I believe he won't be there next year.
Suzuki suck almost as badly as kawasaki. They're whole effort in GP's has lacked focus for years ( or, you could argue, the whole time they've been in grands prix). I think management is definately a problem, but we also don't know how much effort the Japanese honchos are putting in. Maybe Denning's hands are tied? Who knows?
Personally, I would have liked to CV go back to WSBK on a factory ducati and leave the mediocrity that is suzuki behind. Capi will stay for as long as they'll have him and then retire, which is fair enough, even though I don't think he's going to do much for them.
Maybe Spies and Yoshi is the answer, but I don't think we're going to see that happen any time soon.
I expect they'll be mid pack at best again next year.
your right but Assen should have been something of a hit or miss. SO regardless if he raced there cause of his limited time, that should not have been a factor but your most likely right in that it did him in for the ride. Well CV on a DUc would have been great cause I would bet he would win the WC better than haga although haga should be able to do it but we shall see. Biaggi was testing the v4 aprilia and they say it is really small so for him that should be real good. As for Capirex he had his day and it is gone. The dude is a great rider though and has his place in the history books.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 23 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Loris can develop a bike, just ask Ducati. Stoner's run in '07 was basically on a bike that Loris developed. Just turned out that Casey could ride it faster. A team like Suzuki is very wise, IMHO, to keep Loris around. Spies has inherited a bike developed by Mladin and having the cagey old veteran around couldn't hurt. CV is a nice guy and all but a Spies/Capper lineup would be an improvement, no doubt. Add Yoshimura and a greater commitment from the factory and you'd have the recipe for a contender in '10.

My thoughts exactly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 23 2008, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cos the greedy ....... wanted to much money. who does he think he is,, hopper ?

Prove it. I keep hearing this, but this is obivously just a rumour that had been spread around and is now taken as fact. I still think that this is all BS. Whats he making over in WSBK. What's Hayden making over at Ducati? Is this actually public info?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 23 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies kicked both Loris and CV's ... at least one time if i member correctly...that should have been enough to take a seat....oh well....he'll win the SBK Championship on the Yamaha, then take Colins place and win the Moto GP Championship. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
Yeah mabe he did. But you seem to forget Laguna Secca this year where CV kicked his FUCKEN ... at a track Ben Spies is supposed to be a wizzard at? I would also say at Donnington this year CV kicked his butt, but its not fair as he hasnt raced there before. Also why didnt he do Assen this year?he had the perfect chance to ride there and show the world what he has, instead he Pussied Out, someone who is 100% dedicated to making it to GP would have ridden that race. Mabe his Mom said he cant race at that track cos the world might see how AVERAGE he is.
I personally think he is a bit Overated, i could be wrong but i dont think he will set the world on fire in Motogp. Im a Suzuki fan i ride a GSXR 1000k8 and one thing that makes me wonder is why can Suzuki biuld the best Street bikes in the world but cant build a race bike? Who knows mabe they put enough Money into it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 24 2008, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah mabe he did. But you seem to forget Laguna Secca this year where CV kicked his FUCKEN ... at a track Ben Spies is supposed to be a wizzard at? I would also say at Donnington this year CV kicked his butt, but its not fair as he hasnt raced there before. Also why didnt he do Assen this year?he had the perfect chance to ride there and show the world what he has, instead he Pussied Out, someone who is 100% dedicated to making it to GP would have ridden that race. Mabe his Mom said he cant race at that track cos the world might see how AVERAGE he is.
I personally think he is a bit Overated, i could be wrong but i dont think he will set the world on fire in Motogp. Im a Suzuki fan i ride a GSXR 1000k8 and one thing that makes me wonder is why can Suzuki biuld the best Street bikes in the world but cant build a race bike? Who knows mabe they put enough Money into it.
Spies is anything but average, and I don't think he's overrated either.

What he did at Donington this year, which is a notoriously difficult circuit to learn - and in foul conditions on the Saturday, showed to everyone watching that he is more than capable of making the transition to a Moto GP bike.

The decision was made at Assen there was little to be gained from the ride, and not to risk injury in the light of the AMA Championship campaign.

I share the view that Loris has greater developmental skills to offer Suzuki, but this makes little difference in view of the fact that the factory doesn't seem to know what direction it's heading in - they remind me of Yamaha under Geoff Crust, endlessly going around in circles and getting nowhere, which it turned out was a problem entrenched in the factory as much as in the garage. Suzuki are stuck in the same morass. I can't see the sense in retaining an older rider, albeit the most experienced in the paddock, at the expense of younger blood with so much potential.

Spies is very quick, very consistent, and very hungry for success - and he's not a crasher, this may just have been the shot in the arm/rocket up the arse that Suzuki needed. I'm looking forward to see how both him and Sykesy do at Yamaha Italia, which is a very well organised team. His only obstacle, as it would have been in GP, will be the unfamiliar circuits. There are some very ordinary overrated riders/primadonnas currently in WSB, and I'd take great pleasure in seeing Spies and Sykes kick their latin arses.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 23 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's been said and said. And oddly enough I agree with Migs (more or less, I think). Migs, tell me if you disagree with what I'm saying. Signing Spies would have been great for a few years down the line should they ever get the factory behind them and Denning to run the team properly and have the team do their jobs properly. But until that happens, Suzuki MotoGP will be a mess and they need all the stability they can get. Capirossi is a perfect fit for them until he decided to hang up his leathers and I think Vermeulen has shown his speed when the GSVR is running properly and maybe has another season in him to prove it.

Spies would have been great for Suzuki if they could pull their heads out. But until that happens, it's not likely Spies could have done much more than Cappers or Vermy.

thankyou austin. a voice of reason...

I asked a while ago in another thread and got no bites so will raise it again.

Is it not possible that Suzuki did not sign Spies because he did not want them?

I say this purely because it is readily acknowledged that the Suzuki is near the bottom of the MotoGP totem pole so if you wanted to establish a career, would you ride it?

I personally suspect that Spies actually may have outsmarted people and used the guest rides as no more than advertising for himself in order to get a competitive MotoGP ride, even if it means a circuitous route via WSBK.

IMO, no Suzuki did not make a mistake re-signing Loris or CV, but IMO both those riders made a mistake re-signing with Suzuki.

Spies did not make a mistake but not signing as a far better opportunity has opened (and I suspect he will be in Tech 3 in 2009).






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 24 2008, 06:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would they be worried about plummeting?

We are going to have a completely different control tire for next season. Why are they panicked that they might not be able to run it?

They haven't even tried it yet..........................................................


<span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

The article doesn't say anything about Suzuki being worried about plummeting, in fact they try to sound positive. Jumkie sensationalized.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Oct 24 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah mabe he did. But you seem to forget Laguna Secca this year where CV kicked his FUCKEN ... at a track Ben Spies is supposed to be a wizzard at? I would also say at Donnington this year CV kicked his butt, but its not fair as he hasnt raced there before. Also why didnt he do Assen this year?he had the perfect chance to ride there and show the world what he has, instead he Pussied Out, someone who is 100% dedicated to making it to GP would have ridden that race. Mabe his Mom said he cant race at that track cos the world might see how AVERAGE he is.
I personally think he is a bit Overated, i could be wrong but i dont think he will set the world on fire in Motogp. Im a Suzuki fan i ride a GSXR 1000k8 and one thing that makes me wonder is why can Suzuki biuld the best Street bikes in the world but cant build a race bike? Who knows mabe they put enough Money into it.

Hey .......Spies had appendicitis at Laguna, and did not know it... a couple day later was in surgery.. so I suggest you STFU

Spies being in WSB will make it that much more interesting and should increase the US audience for the series. He'll have a season to learn the tracks and if he does as well as hoped - he'll be in a better position to negotiate a deal with one of the Big-Three teams in 2010. He's no Machiavelli, but in the end the situation as it stands will stand him much better, and avoid the accompanying humiliation of a year or two on the uncompetitive Suzukis. Better a year in WSB and then negotiate with his reputation and his self-confidence intact.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 24 2008, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I asked a while ago in another thread and got no bites so will raise it again.

Is it not possible that Suzuki did not sign Spies because he did not want them?

I say this purely because it is readily acknowledged that the Suzuki is near the bottom of the MotoGP totem pole so if you wanted to establish a career, would you ride it?

I personally suspect that Spies actually may have outsmarted people and used the guest rides as no more than advertising for himself in order to get a competitive MotoGP ride, even if it means a circuitous route via WSBK.

IMO, no Suzuki did not make a mistake re-signing Loris or CV, but IMO both those riders made a mistake re-signing with Suzuki.

Spies did not make a mistake but not signing as a far better opportunity has opened (and I suspect he will be in Tech 3 in 2009).






Garry
i thinks it's quite possible spies said "im not riding this bag'o'....." after his wild card rides. your only as good as your last race they say, so if you want to make good first impressions you want a competitive bike/team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 24 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey .......Spies had appendicitis at Laguna, and did not know it... a couple day later was in surgery.. so I suggest you STFU
also he had qualified for ama as well as motogp so would have been more fatigued than the other rider's come the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 24 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>also he had qualified for ama as well as motogp so would have been more fatigued than the other rider's come the race.


yeah that also

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 24 2008, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I asked a while ago in another thread and got no bites so will raise it again.

Is it not possible that Suzuki did not sign Spies because he did not want them?

I say this purely because it is readily acknowledged that the Suzuki is near the bottom of the MotoGP totem pole so if you wanted to establish a career, would you ride it?

I personally suspect that Spies actually may have outsmarted people and used the guest rides as no more than advertising for himself in order to get a competitive MotoGP ride, even if it means a circuitous route via WSBK.

IMO, no Suzuki did not make a mistake re-signing Loris or CV, but IMO both those riders made a mistake re-signing with Suzuki.

Spies did not make a mistake but not signing as a far better opportunity has opened (and I suspect he will be in Tech 3 in 2009).






Garry
You may be on to something but everything I read about the situation was that Spies wanted to ride for Suzuki. Like Hopkins, Spies wanted to be Kevin Schwantz. Although Hopkins decided he'd rather be a millionaire than be Kevin Schwantz.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 24 2008, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey .......Spies had appendicitis at Laguna, and did not know it... a couple day later was in surgery.. so I suggest you STFU
Curve if your born with a problem it is not nice to poke such fun and give such harsh criticsm. But your right about having his apendix give him a bit of a hard time and he STILL did well for the wildcard ride. THat should have make them look at him more seriously and say whatever about assen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 23 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies would have been great for Suzuki if they could pull their heads out. But until that happens, it's not likely Spies could have done much more than Cappers or Vermy.

Yep...I agree...

Spies is much better off at Yamaha.....arguably the best bike on the grid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 24 2008, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The article doesn't say anything about Suzuki being worried about plummeting, in fact they try to sound positive. Jumkie sensationalized.


You think I didn't read the article?

I'm just preying upon the undeveloped psyche of the people who won't read.