Stoner V's Rossi

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 27 2009, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Man I hope you didn't take my remark as an insult...
I'm quite sensitive GS, but you're quoting my respose to Babel.
Tracktime should be a mandatory birthday or christmas present for the pops. You don't even need your own bike. NESBA.com

Also Johnny, while Vale doesn't need pointers from me, he probably wants my tip.
Seriously Casey is a MAJOR threat and Hopper says MotoGP is just like a video game and basically indicted Casey riding style in MCN.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 27 2009, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..........
Rossi should spend less time getting his .... packed and more time with PS3 if he wants to win the title......
<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%GET REAL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 26 2009, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm quite sensitive GS, but you're quoting my respose to Babel.
Tracktime should be a mandatory birthday or christmas present for the pops. You don't even need your own bike. NESBA.com

I've done two riding school days and today sat on a brand spanking new 848...still haven't quite come down. That will do for future track days...and there will be several.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Mar 26 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course I do. The Rossi and Yamaha combination was very strong but equally fortunate of Casey’s bad luck(what ever you want to call it) . And yea the fact that Casey had no assistance from the other guys to help take points off Rossi as he made his final push towards the end of the season didn’t help either. Being able to look over the season and asset it, had these rounds gone differently for what ever the reason Casey would have walked away with(but they didn’t so $%& it)
Round 2 : 11th (position), round 3 : 6th , round 5 : 16th , round : 12 DNF, round : 13 DNF, round 17 : 6th

Casey had some cracking results too, but maybe I should have been more careful and said Casey/Ducati/Bridgestone would have walked away with it had it not been for those 4 disastrous and 2 mediocre results(Yes 6th is mediocre for a reigning world champion, I’m sure he would agree with me on that one)
I agree that races 2 to 5 are what really cost stoner his chance of defending the world championship, against a superlative competitor like rossi on what in the 2008 yamaha was a very good bike he could not afford the results in these races. At the time it was hard to disagree with the common arguments that the pressure of being defending world champion was getting to stoner or that the ducati development had gone awry which could be laid partly at his door. It is said that they then returned to the 2007 engine, so it now looks like there was an engineering problem more than a rider problem.

Even if rossi did have a significantly better bike for those races, this is part of the game (particularly as he presumably played a significant role in improving the yamaha), and while I am a stoner fan I feel it is ungracious to make excuses given that I was not unhappy about stoner's apparent bike and/or tyre advantage for the whole of 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 27 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm quite sensitive GS, but you're quoting my respose to Babel.
Tracktime should be a mandatory birthday or christmas present for the pops. You don't even need your own bike. NESBA.com

Also Johnny, while Vale doesn't need pointers from me, he probably wants my tip.
Seriously Casey is a MAJOR threat and Hopper says MotoGP is just like a video game and basically indicted Casey riding style in MCN.
Video games are nothing like track riding. They give you a basic indication of where the track goes, but that's it. You're really stretching the point here.

I've ridden on Phillip Island(quite fast) and it's nothing like SBK08.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 26 2009, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi should spend more time with PS3 if he wants to win the title.

this is one of the most stupid things i ve ever read on this forum. i hope you said this for fun or something.

anyway, video games dont learn you any lines, for any track.. even walking the track would be a better way. they just help you remember what turn follows another.. and if you re not at the nurburgring, then you will remember that anyway after very few laps..

spies' success is not due to him playing playstation, it is just because of the natural talent he seems to have in learning so fast new tracks. he is fast, and talented, it's something you are born with, if you are not fast you will never be, there are some things like books and schools that can make you a little faster but not seriously fast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 27 2009, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm quite sensitive GS, but you're quoting my respose to Babel.
Tracktime should be a mandatory birthday or christmas present for the pops. You don't even need your own bike. NESBA.com

Also Johnny, while Vale doesn't need pointers from me, he probably wants my tip.
Seriously Casey is a MAJOR threat and Hopper says MotoGP is just like a video game and basically indicted Casey riding style in MCN.

Clark, to me it looks like you need some more track days to learn the difference between video games and real world. Try a high side or two and you will learn even quicker.
Stoner know that difference so very well and whatever you think his approach to riding look like, in reality it's something very different. Casy surly is Rossi major threat but that's got nothing to do with his video games. Besides, most of these guys are faster than you and me on those games allready. It's not like Stoner and Spies invented this stuff. Rossi and others have done this for ages.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 27 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Try a high side or two and you will learn even quicker.
Stoner know that difference so very well and whatever you think his approach to riding look like, in reality it's something very different.

No thank you to the highside, I'd rather loose 2 seconds/lap than crash, TY.

Pls explain Stoner's riding approach, as I'm very curious.

Only point was that games get used by pros regularly. If this is in dispute, then ok. I've never played SBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Mar 27 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No thank you to the highside, I'd rather loose 2 seconds/lap than crash, TY.
and pretend you are doing a video game in slow motion :-D
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Pls explain Stoner's riding approach, as I'm very curious.
I have no idea, I just know that no racer approach a race as if it was a video game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Only point was that games get used by pros regularly. If this is in dispute, then ok. I've never played SBK.
Well, if that was your only point I wouldn't be sitting here writing. If it's your only point now, thats fineand it means that Stoner and the other youngsters take after me and and what I did 10 year ago :-D

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bill88 @ Mar 27 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this is one of the most stupid things i ve ever read on this forum. i hope you said this for fun or something.Then for godssake don't look back over some of the old posts!!

Unless it is a real simulator, where you sit on a bike frame mounted on hydraulic systems and electronically controlled actuators capable to simulate the forces involved, like they do for planes, I do not see how a video game played while sitting at a desk with a mouse or joistick in your hands can ever help.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Mar 28 2009, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unless it is a real simulator, where you sit on a bike frame mounted on hydraulic systems and electronically controlled actuators capable to simulate the forces involved, like they do for planes, I do not see how a video game played while sitting at a desk with a mouse or joistick in your hands can ever help.

I'm not saying it's impossible but I think a good motorbike simulator might be harder than a plane simulator. For a plane you are quite happy with accurate instruments and medicore view. On a bike 3D dimentions and depth perseption are of vital iportence.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 28 2009, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying it's impossible but I think a good motorbike simulator might be harder than a plane simulator. For a plane you are quite happy with accurate instruments and medicore view. On a bike 3D dimentions and depth perseption are of vital iportence.

Yes. And I see a big problem also with the corner dynamics--even in the video games the corner action is a weak spot, they cannot make the virtual bike behave in any realistic way.
Hopefully when we are old we'll have real bike simulators to have fun without risk