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Stoner - TC got me out of trouble

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an4rew

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<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%SPORT RIDER magazine latest issue ;

it helps me a lot out of lots a trouble and blames past crashes on tire

article said

he was on cichinelos works 250 aprilia and that his crashes cause cichinello team to go broke

( unlike mike T claims , stoner was on the best 250 as cicenelo dominated on same bike and it was OFFICAL APIRLIA FACTORY BIKE WITH FULL SPONSOR COLOURS not a satelite nore private team as Mike T aleges )

team manager said , nothing changed from cichenlos so crashes were puzzling to them and raised the issue of fitness since crashes allways occured later in race and that ducati devised a fitness program for him

according to article his best finish on 125 was 5th on KTM also a full works factory bike ( that kalio took to 2nd .. )

i cant remember seeing an article with more pictures of mangled bikes, it look like crash and burn magazine

it shows a 990 totaly destroyed geting loaded into tow truck , it said it was the year stoner rather forget , plus 3 other 250 and 990 crashes pics

including a pic showing him taking out Giberneu to cause life long injuries to him ending his career at a stroke.

another picture of him crashing at home track ( philip island )with Pedrosa passing.

This is a very interesting piece
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 22 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%SPORT RIDER magazine latest issue ;

it helps me a lot out of lots a trouble and blames past crashes on tire

article said

he was on cichinelos works 250 aprilia and that his crashes cause cichinello team to go broke

( unlike mike T claims , stoner was on the best 250 as cicenelo dominated on same bike and it was OFFICAL APIRLIA FACTORY BIKE WITH FULL SPONSOR COLOURS not a satelite nore private team as Mike T aleges )

team manager said , nothing changed from cichenlos so crashes were puzzling to them and raised the issue of fitness since crashes allways occured later in race and that ducati devised a fitness program for him

according to article his best finish on 125 was 5th on KTM also a full works factory bike ( that kalio took to 2nd .. )

i cant remember seeing an article with more pictures of mangled bikes, it look like crash and burn magazine

it shows a 990 totaly destroyed geting loaded into tow truck , it said it was the year stoner rather forget , plus 3 other 250 and 990 crashes pics

including a pic showing him taking out Giberneu to cause life long injuries to him ending his career at a stroke.

another picture of him crashing at home track ( philip island )with Pedrosa passing.

This is a very interesting piece
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Wow what a lot of tripe, typically though you would believe all of it because it's suits your agenda.
He won KTM's first ever GP and won 2 125 races with 10 podium finishes.
If you watch him riding into Parc fermé when he won his first race at Qatar you would see several KTM clad mechanics coming out to applaud him and CECCHINELLO has always only had good things to say about Casey. He has a lot more class than the magazine you read obviously.

What an absolute cheap shot Andrew
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Guess I'll have to read the article to make of this. I figured someone would point out the glaring errors. Sport Rider must have some really appalling fact checkers. Or you're full of .....

Sete Gibernau on his retirement

"If I had accepted the offers to continue just for the sake of carrying on then it wouldn't have made me happy, especially if it was just for money."

Life long injuries to him ending his career at a stroke. What a bunch of .....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 22 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What an absolute cheap shot Andrew
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Andrew hates Stoner
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it is entertaining see the stuff he comes up with though ...
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I wonder why he does it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jan 22 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Guess I'll have to read the article to make of this. I figured someone would point out the glaring errors. Sport Rider must have some really appalling fact checkers. Or you're full of .....

Sete Gibernau on his retirement

"If I had accepted the offers to continue just for the sake of carrying on then it wouldn't have made me happy, especially if it was just for money."

Life long injuries to him ending his career at a stroke. What a bunch of .....


Everything he wrote in that post is a crock of ..... The fact that he doesn't know it says a lot about his knowledge. I really like the CECCHINELLO dominated on the same bike bit as well.
In the 2 years before Casey got along side him on the same 125 team Cecchinello got one win and 2 second placings in 2 full seasons. And he says he dominated? In the year Casey rode along side him he won 2 more. Casey had a couple of podiums and won the last race of the season at Valencia.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story hey Andrew?
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If you had any credibility before - You just lost it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 22 2008, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everything he wrote in that post is a crock of ..... The fact that he doesn't know it says a lot about his knowledge. I really like the CECCHINELLO dominated on the same bike bit as well.
In the 2 years before Casey got along side him on the same 125 team Cecchinello got one win and 2 second placings in 2 full seasons. And he says he dominated? In the year Casey rode along side him he won 2 more. Casey had a couple of podiums and won the last race of the season at Valencia.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story hey Andrew?
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I have previously thought myself that casey's crashing must have affected LCR's budget, so I have to admit this part has some credibility, and may have limited development both in the 250's and motogp. It didn't seem to stop cecchinello loving him like a son though.

I am still not clear on whether LCR was a full factory 250 aprilia team, and I can't remember what the livery of the bike was. As casey has said himself, being told you have the same bike as the factory and actually being given the same bike are not necessarily the same thing though. I think honda also put a lot more effort into the 250 when pedrosa was riding it. However, the available evidence is that pedrosa was a better 250 rider than stoner, although stoner was very competitive in pace in 2006, just crashier as has occasionally been pointed out
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. I would argue that the available evidence thus far is also that casey is the stronger premier class rider.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jan 21 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sport Rider must have some really appalling fact checkers. Or you're full of ..... Actually Sport Rider magazine is full of ..... I used to subscribe to it, not any more.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 22 2008, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am still not clear on whether LCR was a full factory 250 aprilia team, and I can't remember what the livery of the bike was. As casey has said himself, being told you have the same bike as the factory and actually being given the same bike are not necessarily the same thing though.

It was the Carerra Sunglasses & Lee Sponsored bike... didn't change alot colourwise when they stepped up to Motogp.

I think theres definately more chance of having similar factory support as an official factory rider in 250, in motogp its not so level.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jan 22 2008, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think honda also put a lot more effort into the 250 when pedrosa was riding it. However, the available evidence is that pedrosa was a better 250 rider than stoner, although stoner was very competitive in pace in 2006, just crashier as has occasionally been pointed out
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. I would argue that the available evidence thus far is also that casey is the stronger premier class rider.

I dunno... he had chances in 250 but didn't take them... Dani was better in 250 than Motogp so now they are pretty close.

I was thinking the Honda looks the easiest bike to drop and the Ducati looks harder... so Stoner was more confident on the Ducati from the start.

I wish i had a scanner to up this article... the pictures of Stoners scrapheads could have made a garage of bikes.
I'm sure the Stoner fans would even find it comical.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 23 2008, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was the Carerra Sunglasses & Lee Sponsored bike... didn't change alot colourwise when they stepped up to Motogp.

I think theres definately more chance of having similar factory support as an official factory rider in 250, in motogp its not so level.



I dunno... he had chances in 250 but didn't take them... Dani was better in 250 than Motogp so now they are pretty close.

I was thinking the Honda looks the easiest bike to drop and the Ducati looks harder... so Stoner was more confident on the Ducati from the start.

I wish i had a scanner to up this article... the pictures of Stoners scrapheads could have made a garage of bikes.
I'm sure the Stoner fans would even find it comical.
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You know that 250 Dani was on was about as trick as it gets? Casey (as well as others) that switched between Michelin and the Stones said they feel completely different? Think that may have a bit to do with it? Tamada - race winner on Stones (when they sucked) and was lost on better Michelins. Nakano goes from top 5 (Stones) to Michelins and is lost. Casey said the Stones gave him a lot better feel on the front and that gives him confidence.
 
I find any comparo's between Dani & Casey on 250's ...... v's ....... Dani & Casey on 800's .... a bit superfluous ...... Dani was a good size for 250's Stoner was allways dieting to be an ok weight ..... Dani is light but maybe too light for a motogp?? ..... Stoner has more physical size for wrestling a bigger bike.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 26 2008, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not surprisingly you have not responded to my post#5 Andrew.
Still stand by your original post?


I wouldn't worry about it Frizzle ..... it all works in your favour in the end ........ Andrew usually posts such crap that it is blatant fanboy dogma and propoganda ...... most folk aren't dumb so if a discussion is looking 50/50 Andrew comes in and tips the thought in favour of the opposing view
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.... I think he is a General in the yellow army... besides I kinda find his stuff entertaining, Its that blatant, sometimes I wonder if he is just "taking the mickey"
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jan 22 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Actually Sport Rider magazine is full of ..... I used to subscribe to it, not any more.

That's why you only look at the pictures
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Anyways, I always knew Stoner couldn't ride
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Saying TC is leading a man to a fruitful career is one thing. Suggesting that he can't keep from crashing is another thing all together.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 22 2008, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In the 2 years before Casey got along side him on the same 125 team Cecchinello got one win and 2 second placings in 2 full seasons. And he says he dominated? In the year
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He actually got 3 wins and 2 second places taking 4th overall in the season before Stoner arrived.

In the year with Stoner they where pretty even 2:1 to Cecchinello.

Doesn't say much for Stoner, Cecchinello was coming to the end of his carreer and never won a title in his prime either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 26 2008, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't worry about it Frizzle ..... it all works in your favour in the end ........ Andrew usually posts such crap that it is blatant fanboy dogma and propoganda ...... most folk aren't dumb so if a discussion is looking 50/50 Andrew comes in and tips the thought in favour of the opposing view
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.... I think he is a General in the yellow army... besides I kinda find his stuff entertaining, Its that blatant, sometimes I wonder if he is just "taking the mickey"
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haha... nosey Barry
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 28 2008, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He actually got 3 wins and 2 second places taking 4th overall in the season before Stoner arrived.

In the year with Stoner they where pretty even 2:1 to Cecchinello.

Doesn't say much for Stoner, Cecchinello was coming to the end of his carreer and never won a title in his prime either.



haha... nosey Barry
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Don't tell me you did some research of your own?
Why didn't you try that before you posted a whole lot of crap to start the topic?
You got too excited at the prospect of bagging Stoner to check any facts first right?
So in your opinion 3 wins and 2 seconds in 2 years is dominating?
To be beating Cecchinello at years end when he was what? 17? is a fair effort in his rookie 125 year.
But what difference does it make anyway. lets face it if Dani becomes WC next year you'll be shouting him down too. It's all well and good to have a favourite rider but at least open both eyes once in a while.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 28 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But what difference does it make anyway. lets face it if Dani becomes WC next year you'll be shouting him down too. It's all well and good to have a favourite rider but at least open both eyes once in a while.

I can't argue with anything Dani achieves hes done well up until motogp.... so if he wins this year thats fine with me.

If a rider has true talent he should be able to demonstrate it at an earlier age and without a ducati
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 28 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't argue with anything Dani achieves hes done well up until motogp.... so if he wins this year thats fine with me.

If a rider has true talent he should be able to demonstrate it at an earlier age and without a ducati
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Ok An4rew, you've finally made me bite.

Did you watch Stoner on 250s in 05 (when he was 20) or on the LCR in 06 (when he was 21)?

In 05 he was a creditable challenger to Pedrosa who had already won one 250 title (2004 - 319 pts from Porto, 256 and De Puniet, 214) whereas this was Stoner's first year in the category.

The points played out as Pedrosa 309, Stoner 254, Dovi 198. As to who had the better bike in 05, it's pretty certain that Stoner's bike (ex de Puniet LCR) was not better than the 04 Champ's Honda...

In 06 he managed a creditable 8th on 119 points despite 7 non finishes. The fact that several of those non-finishes were due to crashes whilst running in very respectable high points paying positions and finding the limit of the bike (a la Rossi in 2000) makes the points difference between Stoner on a satellite Honda and Pedro on a works Honda (with only 2 DNFs) even more impressive:

Pedrobot 5th 215
2 6 14 1 3 4 Ret 3 1 4 2 3 3 15 7 Ret 4
Stoner 8th 119
6 5 2 5 4 Ret Ret 4 4 DNS Ret 6 8 6 Ret Ret Ret

So I'd say he's definitely demonstrated ability at an early age without the mythical Duke. Plus he was excellent to watch in both 2005 and 2006. What makes you "<u>think</u>" that Stoner doesn't have talent?

BTW check out my avatar before you call me Pinky!!
 
Second youngest premier class world champion ever and even that by a matter of weeks not young enough? Rossi like tiger woods in golf has reset the parameters, but winning the smaller class championships as a teenager then going on to premier class championships is not the only way to do things, and not the way most (?or any) have done it in the past before rossi. As I have said before if your results at age 17 defined your career totally they could just give the motogp championship to the best 17 year old rider 5 years later, and not bother having the races. Pedrosa obviously has the pace, but whether he has the strength and durability remains to be seen. I think he probably does, but fast riders with superb smaller class records have failed to win the premier class title before, even on apparently superior bikes.

Stoner and pedrosa themselves at least appear to have great mutual respect, and don't seem to bad-mouth each other.

If you think the above presents an argument that rossi is better than stoner, sure that is true at this time, and in all honesty I think likely to remain so. Fortunately the start of the season is not far off, and should shed some further light on how good casey is
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jan 28 2008, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In 05 he was a creditable challenger to Pedrosa who had already won one 250 title (2004 - 319 pts from Porto, 256 and De Puniet, 214) whereas this was Stoner's first year in the category.

No it wasn't. Stoner had been in 250's previously in 2002, I think.

But I remember he went 250,125,250,moto.

Sorry, it piqued my anorak.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 29 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't argue with anything Dani achieves hes done well up until motogp.... so if he wins this year thats fine with me.

If a rider has true talent he should be able to demonstrate it at an earlier age and without a ducati
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Get over it, mate....
 

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