Stoner is most underrated driver in MotoGP today

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi, the man who argumentably could be a GOAT of this sport, acknowledged casey as his toughest rival yet.

if rossi rates him as his toughest rival yet, then how is he underrated?

Firstly, no, I don't see him being under-rated. I have gotten the feel that Stoner is the second best rated rider in MotoGP at the moment, which I think he deserves too. Secondly, you are only giving us statistics and in the end, statistics DO NOT mean everything.

But I also have to admit, that I'm not familiar with the media you're talking about... Is it American media? Cause that would settle it right there. I'm pretty sure Stoner is a hero in the Australian media.

Well, that's about it. I just don't see him being more under or overrated than any other driver.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>media
if you are well regarded as a top level competitor amongst your peers. then what higher level of rating is important?

if you say he is underrated by the media, ie a bunch of journalists who know very little about the skill required to race and win at motogp level, then so what? is it that important to be well respected by them?

Stoner did not cover himself in glory after Laguna (yep, true - even from a fan) HOWEVER I think he has recovered well and it also looks to me from how he has conducted himself post that event as though a good kick in the pants never hurt anyone.

I've liked Stoner since he was a 125 kid on an underpowered KTM.

I think he has grown a lot and more people are liking him or coming to understand him as he grows.

I also think that coming to terms with the Ducati which is a pig of a bike whilst everyone else has had Kawasaki like success on it has shown he has the goods as a rider.

I seriously don't think he is drastically underrated although there are a few still in denial that talk his bike up and not him (despite the enormous mountain of evidence to the contrary). SOME Rossi fans will never accept that someone can beat Rossi, and nothing is going to change that. Everyone else, like him or lump him recognises that the kid can ride a bike very ....... quickly.

And he’s only going to get better, who seriously hits their peak at 20?

My only problem with Casey is he is a non drinker, but all I need is 24 hours with him and I can cure him of that.


Also: Edit: Media??? Mick Doohan had a terrible relationship with the English, Italian and Spanish motorcycling press, sour grapes when some antipodean hick wins a race, especially a prickly obnoxious one. Don't worry about it

Anyone that doesn't rate Stoner highly is a moron.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 17 2008, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner did not cover himself in glory after Laguna (yep, true - even from a fan) HOWEVER I think he has recovered well and it also looks to me from how he has conducted himself post that event as though a good kick in the pants never hurt anyone.

I've liked Stoner since he was a 125 kid on an underpowered KTM.

I think he has grown a lot and more people are liking him or coming to understand him as he grows.

I also think that coming to terms with the Ducati which is a pig of a bike whilst everyone else has had Kawasaki like success on it has shown he has the goods as a rider.

I seriously don't think he is drastically underrated although there are a few still in denial that talk his bike up and not him (despite the enormous mountain of evidence to the contrary). SOME Rossi fans will never accept that someone can beat Rossi, and nothing is going to change that. Everyone else, like him or lump him recognises that the kid can ride a bike very ....... quickly.

And he’s only going to get better, who seriously hits their peak at 20?

This pretty much coincides with my view. I don't think anyone serious really under-rates him now, including many rossi fans who are more generous in their assessment of him with valentino back in the ascendancy and saying himself that casey has been his toughest opponent.

In fact, whilst I may be clutching at straws, I think jerry burgess at least is still worried about him; I can't see why else he would find it necessary to say in his recent comments about the control tyre issue that rossi is better than stoner and pedrosa. Given that vale has just won his 6th premier class title quite convincingly this would seem redundant.

I don't think that I woul call Stoner under-rated by people who know and/or understand the sport and have followed it for a number of years (many new comers also do not under-rate him).

But, there is a hesitance (IMO) for a small minority to recognise his achievements of the last two years for a number of reasons ranging from teh improvement between 2006 to 2007 all teh way to the belief that the Ducati virtually rides itself. But, it should also be remembered that Hayden also has received a level of press that diminishes his accomplishment as well, so CS is not alone.

But, in Australia you may be surprised as there are some non-motorcycle media who do not give CS much credit at all, instead they deride him as lucky that VR was unable to produce the perfromances for which he has been known. Sadly some of these same media have 'gloated' this year given CS' inability to win the championship although most are the type of commentator best ignored for any sport, not just motorcycling.

In world terms, I believe that CS gets due recognition for his undoubted abilty to ride a motorcycle extremely fast and moreso when that motorcycle is nothing more than a dud in all other hands.

IMO, 2008 has seen the making of the Stoner media (and possibly begrudging public) acceptance as many perople expected Melandri who is/was highly regarded to wipe the floor with the pretentious untalented Aussie upstart. As we know, history will show that the highly regarded race winning Melandri simply could not ride the Ducati and with very few exceptions was left languising seconds behind per lap. This to me meant that many people accepted that Stoner is far talented than they had originally credited and is now thought of as amongst the best in the sport.

Is/was Stoner under-rated I woudl say no, but maybe, just maybe there are some who have under appreciated him through 2007/2008.





Garry

I think Stoner is generally rated very highly. There is a small resistance to giving him equal credit for his title than other riders get for theirs, but i have heard almost nobody dennying that he is Rossi's toughest rival yet, or that he is anything other than one of motogp's top 3 riders. I also think that history will be kinder to the riders who beat Rossi than the immediate reactions that are heard putting the results entirely down to machinary.

Some people refuse to give him the credit he deserves, but the simple fact is, he doesn't really give people much of a choice; he is so devastatingly quick!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Nov 17 2008, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone that doesn't rate Stoner highly is a moron.

What is should have said:
Anyone suggesting Stoner isn't highly rated is a moron.

Rate, suggest, hint...whatever. He is less experienced than Rossi. Stoner has lots of remaining years in his career to gain experience. If he survives the wrist injury he is undeniably one of only two guys in the race for the title next year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Nov 17 2008, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is should have said:
Anyone suggesting Stoner isn't highly rated is a moron.

Logically incontestable. He may have been under-rated last year, but would appear to be generally rated the second best rider this year except by some in alternate realities such as the crashnet forum. Rating him second would seem entirely reasonable given both the final pointscore in the 2008 championship and the relative number of wins by the participating riders this year .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Nov 17 2008, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner did not cover himself in glory after Laguna (yep, true - even from a fan) HOWEVER I think he has recovered well and it also looks to me from how he has conducted himself post that event as though a good kick in the pants never hurt anyone.

I've liked Stoner since he was a 125 kid on an underpowered KTM.

I think he has grown a lot and more people are liking him or coming to understand him as he grows.

I also think that coming to terms with the Ducati which is a pig of a bike whilst everyone else has had Kawasaki like success on it has shown he has the goods as a rider.

I seriously don't think he is drastically underrated although there are a few still in denial that talk his bike up and not him (despite the enormous mountain of evidence to the contrary). SOME Rossi fans will never accept that someone can beat Rossi, and nothing is going to change that. Everyone else, like him or lump him recognises that the kid can ride a bike very ....... quickly.

And he’s only going to get better, who seriously hits their peak at 20?

My only problem with Casey is he is a non drinker, but all I need is 24 hours with him and I can cure him of that.


Also: Edit: Media??? Mick Doohan had a terrible relationship with the English, Italian and Spanish motorcycling press, sour grapes when some antipodean hick wins a race, especially a prickly obnoxious one. Don't worry about it




+3 same feelings, cept for the drinkin

With Casey so young and having a bit of time before he thinks about retiring. What do you think the Rossi faithful will say when Stoner has won more MOTOGP World Championships than Vale? I can't see Vale stayin in GP's much longer since he is the GOAT and all. I don't see him stayin so long like Checa and still Capirex. Ya never know but hey Stoner could by all means be a multiple winner since it doesn't look like there really is anyone that can take it to him. Pedrobot really isn't that dominating and most would try and say that he is the closest. SO I think that Stoner is going to be having a wonderful Career if that hand is right.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Nov 18 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With Casey so young and having a bit of time before he thinks about retiring. What do you think the Rossi faithful will say when Stoner has won more MOTOGP World Championships than Vale? I can't see Vale stayin in GP's much longer since he is the GOAT and all. I don't see him stayin so long like Checa and still Capirex. Ya never know but hey Stoner could by all means be a multiple winner since it doesn't look like there really is anyone that can take it to him. Pedrobot really isn't that dominating and most would try and say that he is the closest. SO I think that Stoner is going to be having a wonderful Career if that hand is right.

I don't agree, the way I see it, Rossi loves a challenge, loves racing and competing. Riders like Stoner (help) keep Rossi racing in MotoGP (that is Stoner and the Italian taxation office!)

And a little off topic.... Pedrosa on a Ducati with Stoner as a team mate...... Now I'd like to see that, just to see how they would compare. (However, for Dani to achieve his full potential, I think he needs to lose his management team)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Nov 17 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is should have said:
Anyone suggesting Stoner isn't highly rated is a moron.

Babel, nice kick in Tamada6's ... - too bad no one else really noticed it!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Nov 19 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Babel, nice kick in Tamada6's ... - too bad no one else really noticed it!!!

Thanks MD, i kind of liked it myself if I may say so

Anyway, these days it's the only way I inted to react to the trolling morons. Direct reply and arguments seems only fuel their trolling efforts.

Nice fishing Tamada!! way to get folk to defend the bleeding obvious!

hook line and sinker!


you guys berrate Pinky/Tamada/ whoever ..... but he/they are entertaining at least