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Mr Squiggle

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Seems that Casey thinks Pedros input has been responsible for making the Honda such as strong package. Quite magnanimous of Casey to give him such high praise. Maybe he just wants him to stick around to keep the bike sorted for him over the next few years
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“I respect Dani a lot as a racer and the work that he did with this bike is evident. I only rode it last year so I only change a few settings. This is why I also wanted his opinion with the 1000.



"I don’t think that any bike should be developed around one rider. I think it is evident that the Honda has improved over the last few years and Dani being their strongest rider, I’m sure most of the development was coming from him, so it is a big credit to Dani that the bike is working so well now.”



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I'm just being facetious here, but is that a backhanded compliment to Dani? i.e. "I'm winning on the bike that was developed for you!"
 
eltoro said:
I'm just being facetious here, but is that a backhanded compliment to Dani? i.e. "I'm winning on the bike that was developed for you!"
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That might be one way to look at it. But when you see a podium like this one (Brno), it's clear the bike works for more than just one type of rider:



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Could be that Marquez will eventually replace Pedrosa, but Pedrosa might jump before that happens, and Spies won't keep the factory Yamaha long at the rate he's going.
 
eltoro said:
I'm just being facetious here, but is that a backhanded compliment to Dani? i.e. "I'm winning on the bike that was developed for you!"
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It's worse than that! Casey's taking a huge piss at Dani's expense. Everyone knows Pedrosa has just been using the setups Alberto stole from Nicky years ago.
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Geonerd said:
It's worse than that! Casey's taking a huge piss at Dani's expense. Everyone knows Pedrosa has just been using the setups Alberto stole from Nicky years ago.
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Which will explain why both Ducati's finished on the podium here last year.



A lot has been said about Casey being his own worst enemy for riding around many of the Ducati's problems. To have a well set up bike and a bike that other riders can live with as well is a big bonus. In many ways it is Casey's way of saying - keep Dani as my team mate.



It's that Spanish Australian rider team, like Doohan and Criville. Worked pretty well for Mick...
 
I thought after the whole Rossi developing the Ducati thing, we would stop the great developer stuff. Honda know how to build great bikes.

If it goes pear shape at Honda, would we then also get the "I'm not an engineer" comments like we are getting from Vale?

They give feedback & the factories take it from there. I don't think riders should wear the blame nor take all the glory for the manufacturers success or failure.
 
Frizzle said:
I thought after the whole Rossi developing the Ducati thing, we would stop the great developer stuff. Honda know how to build great bikes.

If it goes pear shape at Honda, would we then also get the "I'm not an engineer" comments like we are getting from Vale?

They give feedback & the factories take it from there. I don't think riders should wear the blame nor take all the glory for the manufacturers success or failure.
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All too true. Without trying to play down what Burgess/Rossi did at Yamaha, I am increasingly convinced that Furusawa sorting out Yamaha's approach was also ctitical.
 
expatal said:
All too true. Without trying to play down what Burgess/Rossi did at Yamaha, I am increasingly convinced that Furusawa sorting out Yamaha's approach was also ctitical.
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What Burgess and Rossi did at Yamaha was not revolutionary - they were dealing with a 4 cylinder Japanese bike with an alloy frame. This is not new technology and the historical lessons (of which Burgess and Rossi are great exponents) are plenty.



What they were asked to do at Ducati (irrespective of the confound of Stoner's previous results on the bike) was build a new mousetrap. Apparently if you do it the world will beat a path to your door.



Whilst what they did at Yamaha was great it was never going to be the challenge that lay before them at Ducati. The bike developer thing with the 4 cylinder Japanese bike with an alloy frame is just more of the same - really, when was the last time the basic format of the race motorcycle was changed in a way that would be described as revolutionary?
 
Never claimed (and indeed never thought) it was a revolution mate. Just trying to say it was the manufacturer getting its act together, together with a star rider and engineer that turned the M1 into a success.
 
Andy Roo said:
really, when was the last time the basic format of the race motorcycle was changed in a way that would be described as revolutionary?
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When expansion chambers made 2-strokes competitive
 
expatal said:
Never claimed (and indeed never thought) it was a revolution mate. Just trying to say it was the manufacturer getting its act together, together with a star rider and engineer that turned the M1 into a success.
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I wasn't arguing against you so much as saying that what VR/JB faced a Ducati was without precedent, whereas the Jap bike package is something that had been around long enough that an experienced campaigner like JB (and VR for that matter) knew what to do to get the performance out of it.



If I come across as adversarial I'm blaming the drugs they are giving me.



Cheers - love peace and lentil beans
 
Beef Supreme said:
That might be one way to look at it. But when you see a podium like this one (Brno), it's clear the bike works for more than just one type of species



081511-2011-motogp-brno-results-57.jpg




Could be that Marquez will eventually replace Pedrosa, but Pedrosa might jump before that happens, and Spies won't keep the factory Yamaha long at the rate he's going.
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Fixed it for ya
 
BarryMachine said:
Never mind the drugs! It seems that hospital, you call home, are turning you into a vegetarian !!
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I'm out of here tomorrow - going home to be a lounge decoration (can't put weight on right leg for three ....... months) but at least I can have a beer and a good curry. I am a little soft in the head at the moment (goes with the injuries) BUT I'm off work until January.



Time to knock back a bowl of "harden the .... up".
 
Andy Roo said:
I wasn't arguing against you so much as saying that what VR/JB faced a Ducati was without precedent, whereas the Jap bike package is something that had been around long enough that an experienced campaigner like JB (and VR for that matter) knew what to do to get the performance out of it.



If I come across as adversarial I'm blaming the drugs they are giving me.



Cheers - love peace and lentil beans
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No probs, just hope the drugs are working
 
Frizzle said:
I thought after the whole Rossi developing the Ducati thing, we would stop the great developer stuff. Honda know how to build great bikes.

If it goes pear shape at Honda, would we then also get the "I'm not an engineer" comments like we are getting from Vale?

They give feedback & the factories take it from there. I don't think riders should wear the blame nor take all the glory for the manufacturers success or failure.
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What? Rossi's not an engineer? Then what was he talking about when he said Lorenzo should thank him for developing a great bike? I'm confused. :/
 
By the look of that podium pic Hairball would be a great candidate starring in a remake of Bettlejuice !
 

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