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Shwantz !? Whats the go??

BarryMachine

BarryMachine

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I thought Shwantz was a heavy Spies backer this makes me wonder what happened?



http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/slider/2242-schwantz-qil-2011-sara-rossi-stonerq.html



I also thought he was a Stonophobe, but thats a bit flattering.



Is the same happening with Shwantz that happened to Gardner? ie. Gardner used to criticize Stoner right up until Stoner overtook him in the list of all time greats. Is Shwantz doing the same as Stoner is getting closer?
 
That's on the Money.

Can Rossi get the Duck up there Quickly & the Honda is all ready sorted

btw who is Shwantz ?
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Pigeon said:
btw who is Shwantz ?
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Yes thats what happened with Goardner when Stner overtook him in wins too, they both became relative "Amebas" ( without the C ...... I mean o )
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Perhaps it should be spelled Shhh!wantz? because he shouldn't be negative about Spies?



Besides if he really wants it spelled Sch ...... he should insist his name be pronouced Skwants

as in SCHool.
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My feeling too. I hate to ascribe such petty jealousy to a rider who's been my hero since '84

but I think on some level he's threatened by the fact that another Texan is set to easily eclipse his

accomplishments from the days of yore. Spies is clearly a much more dominant rider than Schwantzy

ever was - and being as he's injury free and getting pretty much the best factory ride around in his second

year - He will end up accomplishing much more than the constant-crashing wild-man of the '80s.



That Schwants acknowledges Stoner - only makes sense. How can anyone with a brain ignore such

talent? Ignore him at your peril.
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Schwantz is challenging Spies to take it to the next level. Hard to do when almost everything is new and your on a satelite bike. Spies system is a bit different. He is calculated and sets very attainable goals. I think next year no doubt he is going to set his goals on racing at the front every race. This year he is a rookie and learning, I don't think there is much more to ask of him than what he has done already. If he is still saying the front guys are too fast for him next year then he might need a little encouraging pep talk from Schwantz.



By the way, hasn't Spies lately been getting slagged for saying he could challenge for the podium.
 
SackWack said:
Schwantz is challenging Spies to take it to the next level. Hard to do when almost everything is new and your on a satelite bike. Spies system is a bit different. He is calculated and sets very attainable goals. I think next year no doubt he is going to set his goals on racing at the front every race. This year he is a rookie and learning, I don't think there is much more to ask of him than what he has done already. If he is still saying the front guys are too fast for him next year then he might need a little encouraging pep talk from Schwantz.



By the way, hasn't Spies lately been getting slagged for saying he could challenge for the podium.
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I agree. Spies is doing a good job of taking it one step at a time and not getting ahead of himself. He is confident but not cocky. I don' think Schwantz meant anything bad about his statements. Like you said in other words maybe he is psyching up Spies to go for some wins and make him believe he is now one of the "aliens."
 
I understand what he is saying and IF SackWack are correct here then he should get his ... kicked. "very attainable goals" is not the way to go. That is to this day what Rossi considered his biggest mistake: To NOT go for the title in '00. That was his rookie year and he took it easy and he is still kicking himself for that. Not that this was attainable for spies this year but maybe a position or two higher was in the cards.
 
Keshav said:
My feeling too. I hate to ascribe such petty jealousy to a rider who's been my hero since '84

but I think on some level he's threatened by the fact that another Texan is set to easily eclipse his

accomplishments from the days of yore. Spies is clearly a much more dominant rider than Schwantzy

ever was - and being as he's injury free and getting pretty much the best factory ride around in his second

year - He will end up accomplishing much more than the constant-crashing wild-man of the '80s.



That Schwants acknowledges Stoner - only makes sense. How can anyone with a brain ignore such

talent? Ignore him at your peril.
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Reeeaaalllyyyyyyy?!

One thing is believing that Spies can do what Schwantz did and even more, -- I personally can believe that -- another thing is saying he's a more dominant rider, as of now. As of now, Schwantz is up there with the premier class great ones, and Spies has yet to grab his first victory. Give Pieman time.
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Keshav said:
My feeling too. I hate to ascribe such petty jealousy to a rider who's been my hero since '84

but I think on some level he's threatened by the fact that another Texan is set to easily eclipse his

accomplishments from the days of yore. Spies is clearly a much more dominant rider than Schwantzy

ever was - and being as he's injury free and getting pretty much the best factory ride around in his second

year - He will end up accomplishing much more than the constant-crashing wild-man of the '80s.
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Sorry buddy, I must disagree here in your implication that KS is worrying about his legacy as part of his comment. I just think KS doesn't like it when Spies talk about his competitors in such a way that it may come across as if he's inferior to their talent. Its like he saying you, don't talk about yourself like that, sure they are talented but you are also very talented. I think he would like Spies to be more assertive in his public persona. BTW, that "constant crashing" had much to do with his machine. Not that too much has changed either, as Suzuki destroyed a few careers, Roberts, Hopkins, and now almost Loris.
 
Jumkie said:
Sorry buddy, I must disagree here in your implication that KS is worrying about his legacy as part of his comment. I just think KS doesn't like it when Spies talk about his competitors in such a way that it may come across as if he's inferior to their talent. Its like he saying you, don't talk about yourself like that, sure they are talented but you are also very talented. I think he would like Spies to be more assertive in his public persona. BTW, that "constant crashing" had much to do with his machine. Not that too much has changed either, as Suzuki destroyed a few careers, Roberts, Hopkins, and now almost Loris.
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I think how Spies speaks about his prospects has to do with his being really circumspect.

He doesn't write checks that he can't cash. For KS to see this as a negative is absurd.

Better to appear humble (I'm sure he's not) and then have awesome results - than visa

versa.



Schwantz was a crasher in his early years in AMA superbike. I have a very specific memory or reading an interview with

him maybe around 2 or 3 years before he went to Europe and he spoke at length about his propensity for crashing. He

was still very young then and had already sustained a substantial number of injuries. He spoke in the interview of his

multiple experiences of hitting deer while riding on public roads and actually gave a blow-by-blow instructions on the

best way to hit a deer and not sustain the more awful kinds of potential injuries. His method he said would entail two

broken shoulders - which he reckoned was a less horrific option than the alternative - which he said would require longer

recuperation time. That was so nuts - and so naturally I was charmed like hell.



I was lucky enough to see him race at Loudon at the AMA Nationals when he and Doug Polen were the biggest thing out there. He purchased a membership with AMA-CCS so he

could go out and get more track time during their practice sessions the week before the National. He looked like he was riding a bucking bronco. Fast yes - but smooth no.
 
J4rn0 said:
Reeeaaalllyyyyyyy?!

One thing is believing that Spies can do what Schwantz did and even more, -- I personally can believe that -- another thing is saying he's a more dominant rider, as of now. As of now, Schwantz is up there with the premier class great ones, and Spies has yet to grab his first victory. Give Pieman time.
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Spies is more calculating, more focused and more disciplined. I predict he will win more championships

over the same number of years. By "as of now" I refer to his results in his rookie year.



Schwantz was ranked 22nd in his rookie year, 16th in his 2nd year, and 8th in his 3rd year.
 
Spies is doing what is really needed these days.



If he had come in and gone "balls out", and blown it, then he may well not have got the premium Yam factory ride in 2011. I don't think the riders can afford to come out and "go for it".



If he is doing that then he is being cleverly calculating.



And now that he has secured the "good ride" he may well be able to afford to "go for it" could be a surprise package next year?
 
Keshav said:
Spies is more calculating, more focused and more disciplined. I predict he will win more championships

over the same number of years. By "as of now" I refer to his results in his rookie year.



Schwantz was ranked 22nd in his rookie year, 16th in his 2nd year, and 8th in his 3rd year.
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That's pretty disingenuous to describe 1986 as Schwantz's 'Rookie Year' ... 4 wildcards on the horrible old square four RGV 500 does not equal a rookie season.



The 8th in his '3rd year' was his first as a full-time rider--and he won the first race of that season.



When was Spies 'Rookie Year" then? 2008?
 
i think this hasn't got much to do with spies,everybody ranks rossi as the highest and i remember schwantz saying stoner is the fastest guy in motogp (at that moment).

don't read too much into it and give ben some time,i expect him to do REALLY good but give him another year to be fully prepared.3rd season could very well be a serious championship challange
 
Jumkie said:
Sorry buddy, I must disagree here in your implication that KS is worrying about his legacy as part of his comment. I just think KS doesn't like it when Spies talk about his competitors in such a way that it may come across as if he's inferior to their talent. Its like he saying you, don't talk about yourself like that, sure they are talented but you are also very talented. I think he would like Spies to be more assertive in his public persona.
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I agree, i think Kevin's concern is that he 'accepts' that the aliens are out of reach then he may never become one himself. Edwards syndrome. I think Spies has got ideas about the top riders already, he doesn't seem intimidated by them at all, i just don't think he's the type to shout about it.
 
Rising Sun said:
That's pretty disingenuous to describe 1986 as Schwantz's 'Rookie Year' ... 4 wildcards on the horrible old square four RGV 500 does not equal a rookie season.



The 8th in his '3rd year' was his first as a full-time rider--and he won the first race of that season.



When was Spies 'Rookie Year" then? 2008?
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Excellent point sun. even todays factory rookie rule doesn't count wild card rides
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Rising Sun said:
That's pretty disingenuous to describe 1986 as Schwantz's 'Rookie Year' ... 4 wildcards on the horrible old square four RGV 500 does not equal a rookie season.



The 8th in his '3rd year' was his first as a full-time rider--and he won the first race of that season.



When was Spies 'Rookie Year" then? 2008?
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The point is Spies - riding for the most part on tracks he's never seen - has placed higher in the rankings - in his first year

than Schwantz did after three seasons during which he got to ride all the tracks (some multiply).
 
Rising Sun said:
That's pretty disingenuous to describe 1986 as Schwantz's 'Rookie Year' ... 4 wildcards on the horrible old square four RGV 500 does not equal a rookie season.



The 8th in his '3rd year' was his first as a full-time rider--and he won the first race of that season.



When was Spies 'Rookie Year" then? 2008?
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The point is, Spies - riding for the most part on tracks he's never seen - has placed higher in the rankings - in his first year

than Schwantz did after three seasons during which he got to ride all the tracks (some multiply).
 
Keshav said:
The point is, Spies - riding for the most part on tracks he's never seen - has placed higher in the rankings - in his first year

than Schwantz did after three seasons during which he got to ride all the tracks (some multiply).
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Schwantz had seen perhaps half the tracks before his rookie season, not all. Pretty much the same as Spies this year. This is Spies' third year as well. He hasn't won anything yet. Schwantz finished 6 points off of 6th place in 1988, the same ranking Spies will likely obtain (unless Hayden finishes better over the last two races).The ranking difference is negilible. Spies has acquitted himself well in his rookie year, albeit unspectacularly; Schwantz made an immediate impact. Spies maybe more disciplined, but he hasn't shown the will to win yet in MotoGP, and he sure as hell hasn't been more dominant, as of now, than Schwantz.
 

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