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Should riders be penalised for "dangerous" riding?

Should riders be penalised for "dangerous" riding?

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BEN

BEN

Joined Sep 2005
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As everyone knows, bike racing is danagerous and crashes happen.....some are racing incidents and some are plain recklessness.

So - should riders be penalised for reckless riding, what I'd call reckless:

RDP taking out Dani today

ToniElais torpedoing antics at various races (though he seemed quite controlled today)

Silvain into Hoffers at Laguna? Was this reckless or just an "incident".

In football, the players are in control of their feet - if they pile into someone else studs up two footed this is deemed an offence and the player will get a card......should this logic apply to motogp riders?

Or should they just get on with it, after all - its not knitting is it?
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Where does the line get drawn and has anyone in recent years been punished? I can only think of yellow flag punishments.
 
A lot of these are racing incidents, if you start punishing riders indiscriminately, they're going to be too scared to go for overtaking maneuvers. On tracks like Valencia, that'll ensure the starting position is the finishing position.
By the way, regarding RdP today, I saw the replay, he was hemmed in from all sides and then Vermeulen braked in front of him. I don't think he had much of a say in the crash. Besides, during first few corner crashes there's usually a lot less strict application of the rules because of the amount of bikes on such a small area of tarmac.
 
i say leave them to it.i should be the team manager who talks to the rider about why and how a crash happened.
i think rdp just went in a bit hot , this is what racing is all about.
 
i think there is fine line between a desperate lunge to take a place and a calculated gamble .

there are and have been this season some pretty radical moves and some dangerous riding practices , meaning some riders being penalised for their behavour.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 2 2007, 10:31 PM) [snapback]88404[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i say leave them to it.i should be the team manager who talks to the rider about why and how a crash happened.
i think rdp just went in a bit hot , this is what racing is all about.

thing is rdp gets in a bit hot every race; or he crashes or he takes out someone with him like today maybe not on purpose

don't know about penalties tho. hopper got a fine at laguna, wasn't is, for kicking towards another rider who got in his way?? if you do punish the riders, don't make it a fine. it's not like they get a bad paycheck every month, it doesn't hurt them

I would say no to penalising. the line where you start penalising and what falls under 'race accidents' is too thin to define
 
best way to penalise them is points deduction if this is the road to go down.

policing the matter and determining what is an offence is also gonna be hard
 
The only offence this season that I'd penalise someone for is KR's slowing down on the racing line at Laguna, because thats a known dangerous thing to do and Marco Melandri had to pay the consequences for Kurtis's idiotic actions. But then again, how are you gonna punish Team KR? Put them down to last on the grid? That'd probably be an improvement!
 
On a motorcycle, the price is paid when they hit the ground or each other. No one wants to do or see that. I could not live with myself if I caused a accident where someone lost a limb, life, or end up paralyzed. No amount of a fine could ever make up for something like that.

When you are strapped into a metal cage with four wheels that is a different story.

This is why everyone in every other motorsport have the most respect of anyone racing on two wheels. Wish the rest of the world felt this way.
 
IMO, every incident is a racing incident. The riders obviously don't mean to take each other out, its just an unfortunate accident. RDP loost control of the bike today and unfortunately he happened to take out Dani and Nicky.

However there are some cases in which I do think there should be punishments... e.g. Elias barging into Rossi earlier in the season.
 
RDP taking out Pedrosa was just a racing incident. Its the start of the race Brakes and tyres not up to temp 19 riders fighting for the same realestate there's bound to be some paint-swapping. If its deliberate then yes riders should get penalised. I agree policing the matter is going to be hard.
 
I'm the first one to say I like really agressive racing and I like contact, but a lot of these wrecks have been boneheaded.

This week was RDP's second terrible move. The used up his free pass when he nearly rode over the top of Vermeulen at Assen. This time he tried to achieve 80 degree lean on stone cold tires.
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Completely outside the realm of possibility.

Guintoli should have been fined for injuring Hoffman. Everyone says "but he doesn't know the track!". Well, it wasn't a race or qualifying so there was no reason to tow someone that closely if you don't know the track.

Roberts should have been fined for sitting up in the middle of the racing line.

OJ and Elias both burned their free passes.

The only true racing incident this season was the Stoner, Hayden, Hopper fiasco at the Andretti hairpin. I didn't like Stoner's move but he stuck it. Hayden and Hopper had nowhere to go but into one another so neither of them can really be faulted either.

I can live with physical errors (imperfect riding) I can't live with people who can't be bothered to reason.
 
Racing incidents occur.. These guys are absoultely on the ragged edge trying 100% all time, its probably easier to go over that edge and crash than to maintain it..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(chanchan @ Sep 3 2007, 06:39 AM) [snapback]88408[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
best way to penalise them is points deduction if this is the road to go down.

policing the matter and determining what is an offence is also gonna be hard


Totally agree with points deductions...and if its a real bonehead move then hefty fines...not the measly $2000 that Hopper got!!! What in our local NationalRugbyLeague the smallest fines that anybody gets is $5000 to $10000...and there not even getting 1/3 of the money that these guys do!!!

Hit hem where it hurts and where it hurts is with money and points which is what these riders, teams are competing for!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>By the way, regarding RdP today, I saw the replay, he was hemmed in from all sides and then Vermeulen braked in front of him. I don't think he had much of a say in the crash. Besides, during first few corner crashes there's usually a lot less strict application of the rules because of the amount of bikes on such a small area of tarmac.

I agree, obviously I'm pretty pissed at what happened, but I think that this was less Randy's fault than some of his other crashes.

And penalising riders would cause more problems than it solved, look how opinion is divided on here every time there is an incident, how would you feel if your fave rider lost points because of what you think is a 'racing incident'?
People are already claiming to be turning off the races, if riders lost a WC because of points being deducted would you still want to watch?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BEN @ Sep 2 2007, 09:23 PM) [snapback]88402[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
So - should riders be penalised for reckless riding, what I'd call reckless:


No...think of Pedrosa at Portugal last year taking out Nicky in much a similar fashion as RDP did in Misano....or KRJR taking out Tamada in Germany last year....

Accidents happen...especially at 120 to 190 miles an hour on two wheels with a bunch of adrenaline junkies that we like to call MotoGP Heroes!
 
Interresting to note the results so far!

Yes: 31%
No: 36%
Unsure: 31%

Close or what! heh

Nice to note someone mentioned the Kurtis incident at Laguna & the hopper checa............imo, both Kurtis & Checa should have been dealt with.........dodling around the track when people are on hot laps isnt that great really.
 
The only crash during a race that sticks out in my mind as completely unreasonable and punishment worthy (had he not crashed as well) was in the 250's last year when Lorenzo took out Locatelli at Le Mans.
 
I agreed with Isreali that they will become to scared to overtake but I do think that it should be brought in for incidents like Biaggi and Rossi where Biaggi held out his elbow and when Checa slowed Hopkins down whilst he was on a flying lap.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Sep 3 2007, 09:14 AM) [snapback]88491[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The only crash during a race that sticks out in my mind as completely unreasonable and punishment worthy (had he not crashed as well) was in the 250's last year when Lorenzo took out Locatelli at Le Mans.


Lorenzo's passing attempt was poor, but i think Loca actually continued un-affected. Jorge paid the price himself.
 
I'll bow to the greater knowledge of mylexicon who said that rdp's crash was due to him leaning over too far on cold tyres but it did look to me like he was cramped by the suzuki directly in front of him.

That said, if opportunities over the course of a race are so few that you need to risk taking out multiple other riders in the first or second corner to maintain or gain a position the formula needs to be changed. I guess this is why rossi in his prime (I mean his prime both riding and equipment-wise) stayed out of the fracas for the first few laps.
 

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