Scott Redding in a nutshell

I have always said I don't like Redding because he always has an excuse. After reading this, I can't see ever having any respect for the guy. He is glad Petrucci got the 2017 because he has a built in excuse if he loses to him. What a .... head.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/redding-glad-he-doesnt-have-petruccis-ducati-gp17-887769/

povol said:

I have always said I don't like Redding because he always has an excuse. After reading this, I can't see ever having any respect for the guy. He is glad Petrucci got the 2017 because he has a built in excuse if he loses to him. What a .... head.
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/redding-glad-he-doesnt-have-petruccis-ducati-gp17-887769/

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Redding isn't incorrect in his assessment that if he should beat Petrucci over the course of the season, it's going to look badly on Petrucci. I think it's a bit more nuanced than Scott is making it out to be because there's teething issues to still be worked out with the GP17, and over a larger sample size the GP17 should in theory work out better than the GP16 would...especially since it was designed to have to work without winglets. But the verdict is still out on the GP17 for now.

I was pleasantly surprised with Redding's performance at Losail. He rode a nice race and deserved the result he got. Whether he can match that performance for the full season is too early to tell. The GP16 ran well at Argentina last year, so Redding has a good benchmark to work off of. Jerez remains the real test for both the GP17 and even the GP16 to see if they've improved anything further on that machine.

But your reaction IMO highlights a huge issue with this sport where people lament when competitors act with a corporate personality, then the moment you get a rider who is giving some genuinely honest answers that doesn't match what they want, it upsets people - see Messieurs Lorenzo, Stoner, and so on. What do you want the guy to say? A bunch of tired cliches that don't offend your seemingly delicate sensibilities on this subject?

I actually think Scott might be the faster/ better rider, but I don't think he can complain of favouritism, national prejudice etc in terms of who got the 2017 bike, didn't they have clear criteria (whoever finished ahead in the 2016 title as I recall) which Petrucci met?

michaelm said:

I actually think Scott might be the faster/ better rider, but I don't think he can complain of favouritism, national prejudice etc in terms of who got the 2017 bike, didn't they have clear criteria (whoever finished ahead in the 2016 title as I recall) which Petrucci met?

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I think what rankled Scott was the incident with Petrucci taking him out at Aragon. I was hoping Redding would finish ahead of Petrucci and thought he should have as I rate him as the more talented of the two with more ceiling to reach. But fact remains Petrucci did win the supremely dumb inter-team competition. For my money, it was a dangerous game Pramac played by setting that up. I just hope Scott takes this opportunity to work on his on track focus. That hurts him as does his inconsistency, and instead of getting distracted by what bike he would be riding next year he would have beaten out Petrucci with better focus. Either way, I hope it is a safe but quality battle between the two in spite of being on two different model bikes.

I confess that although I generally try to watch as a neutral I may betray some unconscious bias towards Scotty (and am certainly no great admirer of Danilo), but I think it's a rather .... sensationalist article about nothing. It does amuse me how some members will take a dislike to certain riders and then shoehorn in any manner of confirmation bias to reinforce it. Leave Valentino alone!

Damn Haters.

Anyway, this is somewhat of a hatchet job and you can't sum up the bloke's character by one rather one sided interpretation from an American motorsports webpage. I'd be feeling the same and it could well be that the GP17 turns out to be a poison chalice for Danilo where he may have faired better on the previous years iteration.

No kernel of wisdom to be found here I'm afraid...try this wonderful read instead -

Arrabbiata1 said:

I confess that although I generally try to watch as a neutral I may betray some unconscious bias towards Scotty (and am certainly no great admirer of Danilo), but I think it's a rather .... sensationalist article about nothing. It does amuse me how some members will take a dislike to certain riders and then shoehorn in any manner of confirmation bias to reinforce it. Leave Valentino alone!

Damn Haters.

Anyway, this is somewhat of a hatchet job and you can't sum up the bloke's character by one rather one sided interpretation from an American motorsports webpage. I'd be feeling the same and it could well be that the GP17 turns out to be a poison chalice for Danilo where he may have faired better on the previous years iteration.

No kernel of wisdom to be found here I'm afraid...try this wonderful read instead -

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Perhaps as JPS implies, and even apart from this being a clickbait article, Pramac are to blame for setting up a situation of ridiculous and non-productive (for either rider or for the team) conflict at the end of last season, particularly for a prize which might well prove to be a poison chalice, ie the 2017 Ducati vs the 2016 Ducati, as you both say.

Just to be clear, I think Redding is better as I said.

Arrabbiata1 said:

I confess that although I generally try to watch as a neutral I may betray some unconscious bias towards Scotty (and am certainly no great admirer of Danilo), but I think it's a rather .... sensationalist article about nothing. It does amuse me how some members will take a dislike to certain riders and then shoehorn in any manner of confirmation bias to reinforce it. Leave Valentino alone!

Damn Haters.

Anyway, this is somewhat of a hatchet job and you can't sum up the bloke's character by one rather one sided interpretation from an American motorsports webpage. I'd be feeling the same and it could well be that the GP17 turns out to be a poison chalice for Danilo where he may have faired better on the previous years iteration.

No kernel of wisdom to be found here I'm afraid...try this wonderful read instead -

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The problem here is povol has had an axe to grind with Redding for awhile. I don't know what incident precipitated it, or if even there was any specific incident that led to his antipathy towards Redding.

I fully admit to being biased as well towards Petrucci, and Valencia 2015 happened to be the moment that crystallized it. I lost all respect for him as a competitor fairly, or unfairly because of the blatant non-attempt to even defend position against Rossi. Overall I've found Scott to be a genuinely likeable guy overall and he has never struck me as a .... the way Crutchlow repeatedly has over the years.

I get we will all gravitate or avoid riders based on internal biases that we may not even be aware of in cases, but Redding to me is not one of the guys to waste that kind of effort on. In particular, as a tall rider, I want to Scott to succeed as his height/size is such a disadvantage relative to the rest of the growth challenged riders currently on the grid. I don't ever expect Scott to be a British rider in the vein of John Surtees, Mike Hailwood, or Barry Sheene as he isn't that sort of transcendent rider. But I think he can put together a very nice career with his skill set, and even god forbid challenge for a race win one day.

JPSLotus said:

The problem here is povol has had an axe to grind with Redding for awhile. I don't know what incident precipitated it, or if even there was any specific incident that led to his antipathy towards Redding.

I fully admit to being biased as well towards Petrucci, and Valencia 2015 happened to be the moment that crystallized it. I lost all respect for him as a competitor fairly, or unfairly because of the blatant non-attempt to even defend position against Rossi. Overall I've found Scott to be a genuinely likeable guy overall and he has never struck me as a .... the way Crutchlow repeatedly has over the years.

I get we will all gravitate or avoid riders based on internal biases that we may not even be aware of in cases, but Redding to me is not one of the guys to waste that kind of effort on. In particular, as a tall rider, I want to Scott to succeed as his height/size is such a disadvantage relative to the rest of the growth challenged riders currently on the grid. I don't ever expect Scott to be a British rider in the vein of John Surtees, Mike Hailwood, or Barry Sheene as he isn't that sort of transcendent rider. But I think he can put together a very nice career with his skill set, and even god forbid challenge for a race win one day.

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By tall are you referring to the tales you tell?

Good read Arrabb. Im anxiously awaiting for Hawkings to write the prelude about pre birth existence. "The Universe in a Nutsack"

I'll tell you whats wrong with Redding, he's a yob, the sort of person who can't take criticism without falling off the rails. He could be a good rider but I'm afraid I personally don't like his attitude, he's like a brainless version of Crutchlow.