Rossis stats with tyres.

michaelm · Apr 4, 2017

p4p1 said:
2017 could provide even more coincidences. None of these coincidences ever seem to hurt Rossi, while things have happened to hurt all of his rivals since '07.

I think that is the bottom line.

Since 2007, Rossi always gets his tyres, the same can't be said for others, and in some cases they straight out had their preferred tyres taken away, as with Garry McCoy before 2007 (likely unrelated to Rossi), Casey Stoner twice as well as Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki with the advent of the control tyre. Lorenzo is more arguable, given there were safety concerns last year; coincidentally or not his preferred tyre has also become unavailable on occasion, but Bridgestone also it would appear did produce a version of the control tyre which mainly suited him by design at one stage. The initial tyre which so suited him which became available in 2012 was probably not specifically designed for him imo, implying a coincidence the other way. I am less convinced about tyres being made to suit Rossi than I am about tyres being removed from other riders; the 2012 tyre decision/vote I am sure was not really to help Rossi, and had motives other than hindering Stoner as well, but I believe the latter was at least a welcome side benefit for Dorna or they would have just added that tyre without subtracting the other tyre.

Pre- 2007 is a lot more arguable, given the abolition of the SNS tyres was detrimental to Rossi although I don't think this was foreseen by him or anyone else, and he was an inheritor of the Michelin tiered tyre supply system including the SNS tyres, with that system certainly not devised for him. We have reasonable evidence that the SNS tyres usually did suit him although I recall some murmurings from his side of things in 2006 that Michelin were starting to favour HRC over him, and we only really have the Tony Elias one-off thing as evidence the SNS tyres didn't suit other top riders. Certainly Colin Edwards said that tyres for team Yamaha were made to suit Valentino rather than him, but I doubt pleasing/suiting Colin was much of a priority for Michelin.

danski · Apr 4, 2017

JPSLotus said:
When negotiating it helps if you can actually negotiate from a position of strength because then you actually have something to offer the person on the other side of the table. The UK cannot do this because they need access to the single market quite badly, and everyone knows this including the politicians in Brussels. Your unelected Prime Minister says no deal is better than a bad deal. That's pretty interesting since no deal would pretty much wreck the UK economy, and have the added benefit of seeing another Scottish referendum on exiting the UK, and you better believe that it will succeed at that time. Hell it may still happen anyway. The UK was making out pretty good due to the EU, something a lot of the Brexiters failed to comprehend because much like the yokels in America who voted for Trump, they can't grasp that economics on a national/global level doesn't quite function like the personal economics you and I engage in on a daily basis. Personal debt and national debt are not even remotely the same as the government has a key advantage private citizens most decidedly do not have; they can print money. That alters how debt works at a national level quite significantly.

Anyhow, Brexiteers like the Trumptools voted because for their respective choices because the world has passed them by. Instead of learning how to best adapt to the complexities of the changing world, they chose instead to sit on their proverbial porches with other like-minded binary thinkers railing about the world as it is, and wishing for a return to the way things used to be. Progress comes whether you want it to do, and while we could debate the validity of all progress as it would be a fair discussion to have, at some point you have to adapt to the situation you have at hand and deal with it. Voting to change for the sake of change (impulsive voting) is how you wind up with an Orange Orangutan in the White House who is quite literally, the dumbest man to ever sit in that position in our nearly 230 years of presidential politics and how you wind up with a country about to commit economic suicide because a bunch of whiners didn't like the idea of the European Union because they don't understand how the world they live in works.

Sure no one knows how the negotiations go, but much like the people who said you have to give Trump a chance, you'll eventually find out just how bad things can get. You can't imagine things being bad only because the effects of the UK economic slowdown haven't hit yet.

Congratulations on only being able to see the trees and not realizing there's an entire forest out there. It's the same reason you can't see how bad Valentino Rossi was for MotoGP because you lack any real vision to see the entire picture.

Sure I work alone by choice because it's far more productive. I don't have to deal with any ........ and things get done.

Long winded and lacking knowledge of what really matters.
EU needs not to lose their second biggest contributor and trading partner. For that reason everything blurted out by Juncker and co is just hot air. Same as Sturgeon, so out of touch with what the public wants it's unreal.
So you basically admit you have a problem dealing with other people then?

AntG · Apr 5, 2017

I thought the purpose of the control tyre is that nobody has an advantage and everyone is in the same boat like BSB or WSBK.

p4p1 · Apr 5, 2017

AntG said:
I thought the purpose of the control tyre is that nobody has an advantage and everyone is in the same boat like BSB or WSBK.

No, in any Motorsport the purpose of a control tyre seems to be so the governing body can have more control over the races/spectacle/results etc. At least that's what it is now, I'm sure JPS can give examples of F1 using tyres to control the races.

yamfan · Apr 5, 2017

Daniboy said:
No, but please stop copying JPS, be your own man.

And thanks for clearing up where you got your info... MCN, the motorcycle world's version of The Daily Star

MCN, ironically one of the most Rossi biased publications around. Surely it's absolutely true with a slant to make it appear "maybe" true then.
Let's not forget that many of your "facts" have been gleaned from Crash.
You're not really in any position to criticise anyone for their beliefs and information sources.

danski · Apr 5, 2017

yamfan said:
MCN, ironically one of the most Rossi biased publications around. Surely it's absolutely true with a slant to make it appear "maybe" true then.
Let's not forget that many of your "facts" have been gleaned from Crash.
You're not really in any position to criticise anyone for their beliefs and information sources.

I think crash.net is a good source of factual material as they usually source interviews rather than offer journalistic opinion like mcn does. Crash and autosport are the best sites for putting post race interviews up promptly.
Crashes fanbase is idiotic though.

michaelm · Apr 5, 2017

Daniboy said:
I think crash.net is a good source of factual material as they usually source interviews rather than offer journalistic opinion like mcn does. Crash and autosport are the best sites for putting post race interviews up promptly.
Crashes fanbase is idiotic though.

I actually agree, and often follow the testing times etc on there in preference to MotoGP.com.

The comments section on there though, now abbreviated perhaps due to sheer embarrassment on the part of the site owners, make the most jaundiced comments, even in regard to the eternal pro- and anti-Rossi debate, on here look highly informed, intellectual and rational.

I am in total agreement with JPS about MCN though.

Dr No · Apr 5, 2017

The only good thing about MCN was a centre spread of Ruggia elbow down. Must have been 1990?
.... thing was it went all yellowed in a few months due to the crap newspaper MCN was/is(?) printed on.

Keshav · Apr 5, 2017

Daniboy said:
Long winded and lacking knowledge of what really matters.
EU needs not to lose their second biggest contributor and trading partner. For that reason everything blurted out by Juncker and co is just hot air. Same as Sturgeon, so out of touch with what the public wants it's unreal.
So you basically admit you have a problem dealing with other people then?

British pound has lost 16% of it's value. Is that short and concise enough for you? Is that what "the public" wants?

I love that you twist his working at home into "admitting he has a problem dealing with people". Zillions of people work at home for a multitude of just plain practical reasons like not having to be under the thumb of a supervisor, not being subjected to office politics, freedom to make one's own hours, saving on operating costs involved in commercial rentals etc. I closed my store in Manhattan a year and a half ago and moved my business up to my house. Saves me $45,000.00 a year in expenses; best thing I ever did. I love working at home. I make my own hours, see customers by appointment only, eat home cooked meals instead of overpriced take-out, got my dogs here hanging out in the workshop and can go out and sit in my garden to chill out whenever things get too hectic, or just pull my DRZ out of the garage and go for a spin on back country roads to clear my head out; and I don't have to deal with commuting in the city. Working at home... love it.

MadMax · Apr 5, 2017

Hard to argue with that.

JPSLotus · Apr 5, 2017

Daniboy said:
Long winded and lacking knowledge of what really matters.
EU needs not to lose their second biggest contributor and trading partner. For that reason everything blurted out by Juncker and co is just hot air. Same as Sturgeon, so out of touch with what the public wants it's unreal.
So you basically admit you have a problem dealing with other people then?

If Theresa May is unable to get any ideal done with the EU to preserve single market access, the UK is going to have to trade by WTO rules which is going to result in much higher tariffs on their goods. You mistakenly think like the rest of the Brexiteers that the UK has a position of strength in the negotiations - they don't. The country doesn't have the British Empire anymore...it was dismantled and with that came a tremendous loss of power, that if they still had it, would make this a far different proposition altogether.

The Scottish public does want out of the UK now. The referendum failed originally in 2014 because of the concerns of losing EU membership (and the subsequent impacts on various sectors of the country) if they voted for independence. Now that you lot have basically ...... them over, they don't want to be a part of your ........, and understandably so. The UK benefited tremendously from the EU membership...in fact better than the bulk of the Euro Zone countries in spite of all the subterfuge from that Brexiteers that the UK wasn't getting their fair share.

I will grant you absolutely that the EU is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the UK was more often than benefiting from the entire thing. Unless you have some true concrete and tangible alternative to EU membership that will maintain the overall level of economic growth, you do not vote to leave that sort of partnership. That's short-sighted thinking that feels great while things are still rolling along, but now that the rubberband is coming back, it's not going to be so fun for everyone. That's the general trouble with populist voting sentiments. They aren't grounded in anything other than the feel-good immediacy that quickly flees the building once reality sets in. Trump voters are starting to realize it, though not all of them as plenty are ignorant shitheads. But the ones I know with a semblance of self-awareness have been walking back their vote for Trump and trying to rationalize it with the eternally vapid excuse of, "I didn't think it would be like this." Are you ....... kidding me?

And really what is your preoccupation with how well I do or do not get along with people?

danski · Apr 5, 2017

Keshav said:
British pound has lost 16% of it's value. Is that short and concise enough for you? Is that what "the public" wants?

I love that you twist his working at home into "admitting he has a problem dealing with people". Zillions of people work at home for a multitude of just plain practical reasons like not having to be under the thumb of a supervisor, not being subjected to office politics, freedom to make one's own hours, saving on operating costs involved in commercial rentals etc. I closed my store in Manhattan a year and a half ago and moved my business up to my house. Saves me $45,000.00 a year in expenses; best thing I ever did. I love working at home. I make my own hours, see customers by appointment only, eat home cooked meals instead of overpriced take-out, got my dogs here hanging out in the workshop and can go out and sit in my garden to chill out whenever things get too hectic, or just pull my DRZ out of the garage and go for a spin on back country roads to clear my head out; and I don't have to deal with commuting in the city. Working at home... love it.

Brilliant how you put a negative spin on something that is quite positive for exports and inward investments. Never mind, back to studying, see if you can find something else.

#22 · Apr 5, 2017

JPSLotus said:
Or in this particular posters case, still is clinging to the myth that the Brexit will somehow bring back a Britain that never existed, but stands to bring back a Britain filled with malaise and economic woes due to not having any fundamental understanding of what they voted for.

Without changing the thread entirely, that isn't strictly true. Yes, there are people who voted Brexit for what some consider the wrong reasons (Mainly immigration) but anyone who hasn't lived in the UK can not really comment on that. For example, I've had people in the US, when asking me my thoughts on it, saying "Yeah we have a big Mexican immigration issue too, its just as bad". Well with all due respect, it isn't. The UK is far smaller than the US and people from an entire continent are allowed to move there. That's like all of South American being able to move to Texas. The system is getting overloaded in that aspect and it cannot cope. Healthcare is such that there are people I know personally who are bedridden awaiting new hips for example, having to wait 3-4 years. A lot (though not all) of this is due to the extreme pressure on the NHS due to immigration and healthcare tourism.

Americans especially, go ape if anything is proposed that infringes on their rights or god forbid, the constitution. Now imagine being able to be regulated by and told what to do by Canada and Mexico and having to do it. That's what a lot of people's grievance with the EU was. The UK was barred from making certain trade deals with members of the commonwealth for example.

Scotland are arseholes. When they had a referendum before they wanted to leave "but keep the pound". You can't pick and choose. If you want to leave, you leave and make your new bed/currency.

Brexit isn't forever, I'm sure the UK could rejoin the EU if it wanted but the fact is Britain was strong before joining the EU and can be strong again (keeping the pound is an example of that). It makes me proud that when Obama said that we'd be at the back of the queue for trade deals if we left, we said ".... You" and left anyway.

Keshav · Apr 5, 2017

Daniboy said:
Brilliant how you put a negative spin on something that is quite positive for exports and inward investments. Never mind, back to studying, see if you can find something else.

You conflate a badly devalued British Pound as a positive thing?
And by the by... have you ever looked at the balance of import
and export?

British Pound is at its lowest value since 1986. Good for people who want to buy from the UK - not so great for the average citizen who loses buying power.

Growth rate has declined for the last three periods. Inflation is actually too low, average incomes are barely up to pre-crisis levels and there is a persistent problem of weak improvements in productivity. Put a positive spin on that why don't you?

See that is the difference between you and some others here. I look at developments here in the US since the new administration came in and recognize the challenges and concede the negative impact all around, while you double down by sticking your head in the sand whilst singing Rule Britannia.

Keshav · Apr 5, 2017

#22 said:
Without changing the thread entirely, that isn't strictly true. Yes, there are people who voted Brexit for what some consider the wrong reasons (Mainly immigration) but anyone who hasn't lived in the UK can not really comment on that. For example, I've had people in the US, when asking me my thoughts on it, saying "Yeah we have a big Mexican immigration issue too, its just as bad". Well with all due respect, it isn't. The UK is far smaller than the US and people from an entire continent are allowed to move there. That's like all of South American being able to move to Texas. The system is getting overloaded in that aspect and it cannot cope. Healthcare is such that there are people I know personally who are bedridden awaiting new hips for example, having to wait 3-4 years. A lot (though not all) of this is due to the extreme pressure on the NHS due to immigration and healthcare tourism.

Americans especially, go ape if anything is proposed that infringes on their rights or god forbid, the constitution. Now imagine being able to be regulated by and told what to do by Canada and Mexico and having to do it. That's what a lot of people's grievance with the EU was. The UK was barred from making certain trade deals with members of the commonwealth for example.

Scotland are arseholes. When they had a referendum before they wanted to leave "but keep the pound". You can't pick and choose. If you want to leave, you leave and make your new bed/currency.

Brexit isn't forever, I'm sure the UK could rejoin the EU if it wanted but the fact is Britain was strong before joining the EU and can be strong again (keeping the pound is an example of that). It makes me proud that when Obama said that we'd be at the back of the queue for trade deals if we left, we said ".... You" and left anyway.

Americans who say that are arseholes. Mexicans do so much for the economy - its ridiculous.

I totally get the business about overloading the healthcare system. I take no satisfaction in anybody suffering due to inadequate healthcare. This whole departure from the thread arose not out of any negative sentiment towards Britain. I'd made a comparison to the blind denial on the part of Tea Party lunatics and the yellow-lensed fringe element Rossi fans.

danski · Apr 5, 2017

Keshav said:
You conflate a badly devalued British Pound as a positive thing?
And by the by... have you ever looked at the balance of import
and export?

British Pound is at its lowest value since 1986. Good for people who want to buy from the UK - not so great for the average citizen who loses buying power.

Growth rate has declined for the last three periods. Inflation is actually too low, average incomes are barely up to pre-crisis levels and there is a persistent problem of weak improvements in productivity. Put a positive spin on that why don't you?

See that is the difference between you and some others here. I look at developments here in the US since the new administration came in and recognize the challenges and concede the negative impact all around, while you double down by sticking your head in the sand whilst singing Rule Britannia.

UK growth forecasts are better than expected and our economy is strong enough to cope if times get tough.
When Britain is free from EU shackles it will have a dynamic free moving economy, that will be greatly improved from current conditions. How long has the EU negotiated a trade deal with the US for ? We can buy what we want from where we want at a price that's fair to both parties. You really don't understand the situation here.

moto vudu · Apr 5, 2017

Keshav said:
Americans who say that are arseholes. Mexicans do so much for the economy - its ridiculous.

I totally get the business about overloading the healthcare system. I take no satisfaction in anybody suffering due to inadequate healthcare. This whole departure from the thread arose not out of any negative sentiment towards Britain. I'd made a comparison to the blind denial on the part of Tea Party lunatics and the yellow-lensed fringe element Rossi fans.

So did slaves, did you want to keep that system as well?

Keshav · Apr 5, 2017

moto vudu said:
So did slaves, did you want to keep that system as well?

Congratulations! I thought you couldn't possibly top the other stupid .... you've tried to troll me with - but you've outdone yourself son. Take a bow.

Your transparent attempt to troll me isn't worth any further discussion. Try someone else. Not interested. You think you can suck me in with idiocy - because you suffer from delusions of adequacy.

moto vudu · Apr 5, 2017

Keshav said:
Congratulations! I thought you couldn't possibly top the other stupid .... you've tried to troll me with - but you've outdone yourself son. Take a bow.

Your transparent attempt to troll me isn't worth any further discussion. Try someone else. Not interested. You think you can suck me in with idiocy - because you suffer from delusions of adequacy.

Illegal immigration provides Corporate America with new slaves. The only labor that's currently cheaper is prison labor.

Keshav · Apr 5, 2017

moto vudu said:
Illegal immigration provides Corporate America with new slaves. The only labor that's currently cheaper is prison labor.

Only on one condition will I engage you on this topic. You have to post a photograph of yourself holding today's newspaper proving A. You are the "person" who contends to be initiating this topic. and B. You are neither a Russian trolling program designed to give a lifelike impression of working intellect that could pass the Turing test, nor a naughty 10 year-old playing with Mommy's ipad. I say this because the possibility that anyone above the age of 12 could continually conceive such anti-cogent expostulations would seem to point to a sad and catastrophic failure of the child endangerment laws enacted to limit our nation's youth to lead poisoning.

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