Rossis stats with tyres.

Daniboy said:

Every time you answer a post of mine you just prove what an absolute tool you are, a proper rounded off Allen key. You can't even recognise a dog breed

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I'm not the one who openly questioned how p4p1 could know something that happened before 2013 when to the informed and intelligent, there's many ways such a thing could be determined even if they were not actively following something at a given time (2007). For example, I didn't need to be around in the year 1963 to know that John F. Kennedy was assassinated, nor did I need to be around to know what the particulars were of the actual assassination.

Not getting the dog breed right was irrelevant as it was just me being a .... for the sake of being a ..... It was amusing as all hell to me even though I'd be the first to tell you it was pure juvenile humor. Your response was 100% worth it. Would, and definitely will do it again.

Daniboy said:

I thought you started watching in 2013? Or so you said.

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Is this another attempt at a 'gotcha moment'?

I started watching religiously in 2013. When Stoners book came out he did spill the beans a little bit on michelins activities. Most of what he said lines up with a lot of the views expressed on here. I like to read so once I really got into the GP I started trying to learn a little bit of history. After reading something on here I decided to try and research as much as I could myself. I used google.

Interesting article from 2007, interview with Bridgestone boss

MotoGP: Bridgestone blame Valentino Rossi for one-make tyre proposal | MCN

Another from Michelin, it certainly points to development favouring Rossi.

MotoGP: Michelin confident despite Valentino Rossi departure | MCN

Valencia MotoGP: Yamaha poised to confirm Bridgestone deal for Valentino Rossi | MCN

Article clearly states that tyre switch was orchestrated by Carmelo

MotoGP: Michelin delighted at new 2008 Yamaha deal | MCN

Agreement was officially in place for 2008 until Rossi and Carmello broke it.

An even better one here which states that there were allegations that Carmello threaded to kick Bridgestone out of the GP is they did supple Rossi. Speaks about being happy to go into a new direction as well.

MotoGP: Bridgestone eager to begin work with Valentino Rossi | MCN

p4p1 said:

Is this another attempt at a 'gotcha moment'?

I started watching religiously in 2013. When Stoners book came out he did spill the beans a little bit on michelins activities. Most of what he said lines up with a lot of the views expressed on here. I like to read so once I really got into the GP I started trying to learn a little bit of history. After reading something on here I decided to try and research as much as I could myself. I used google.

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No, but please stop copying JPS, be your own man.
And thanks for clearing up where you got your info... MCN, the motorcycle world's version of The Daily Star

Arguments that the deck hadn't been previously or since stacked in favour of Rossi are IMO ignorant for the simple fact that if Carmello interfered once here which is proven.

That he stated he was calm because Rossi would be on a competitive bike in 2013
Ezpeleta says Rossi will win in 2013 | MotoGP 0

Or there's this that heavily implies Carmello doing a similar thing with Yamaha that he did with Bridgestone for the 2013 season
Valentino Rossi Back to Yamaha: The Rumors are Over | Cycle World

For the most part the inner workings of dealings are kept out of the media but there is certainly enough information and evidence to the fact that DORNA have certainly helped Rossis career and legacy immeasurably. There's the strange removal of tyres that hurt his competition on top of these. I'm interested to see if Michelin got to a stiffer carcass soon or if DORNA are happy with the softer carcass in an effort to make MV into a star after Rossi vilified and used his dumb .... fan base to what should have been their next money maker much much less marketable.

Creative journalism, known locally as 'clickbait'

Daniboy said:

Creative journalism, known locally as 'clickbait'

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No click bait is praising Rossi like most Journos do get your head out of your ass.

At some stage coincidences have to start adding up and unless you're a mindless sheep you should say well maybe there's something going on here.
Let's consider this.
2013 - Rossi returns to Yamaha and runs a distant 4th gets lucky win due to Lorenzo being injured, Pedrosa being Pedrosa and Marquez being inexperienced.
2014 - Rossi runs a distant second beating Lornezo and Pedrosa both of him prefer softer tyres than Rossi. Marquez who like Rossi prefers harder tyres with stiffer carcass' but rides them better goes on to have 13 races wins and crashes out of the lead twice. Rossi has a much better season, much more consistent and scores a heap of points. Is it not out of the realm of possibility that Maruqez incredible run in 2014 and End of career resurgence could've been helped greatly by tyres that were more to their preference?
2015 - Marquez refuses to settle for any positions a bad bike and stupidity on his own part eliminates him from the race. Rossi gets a strong start to the season but Lorenzo starts to find form with a new tyre and wins 4 straight. Tyre is then weirdly withdrawn for Assen, Marquez excaims we all know why but we are not allowed to say. Rossi chokes down the stretch, Lorenzo wins, Rossi finds someone else to blame.
2016 - testing is dominated by Lorenzo, front tyre that he used to dominate on is withdrawn on safety concerns after rear tyre problems. It becomes a 2 horse race for the title between Marquez and Rossi who both prefer harder tyres as Lorenzo and Pedrosa in particular struggle to get feeling from the harder front tyres. Heavy brakers like Rossi and Marquez do well.

Not one of these things that happen point to anything untoward taking place, but all of those coincidences, all these strange things happening that all seem to help Rossi. It has to at some point be by design. There just seems to be too many small things that happen that end up helping Rossi and/or hindering his competition tyre wise to just simply be a coincidence. The issue is that if you give Rossi his favoured tyres Marquez will ride them better and run away with a championship how he has done twice, once with an unfavourable bike.

2017 could provide even more coincidences. None of these coincidences ever seem to hurt Rossi, while things have happened to hurt all of his rivals since '07.

p4p1 said:

No click bait is praising Rossi like most Journos do get your head out of your ass.

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Wrong, clickbait is journalism written to attract attention by being controversial.

p4p1 said:

At some stage coincidences have to start adding up and unless you're a mindless sheep you should say well maybe there's something going on here.
Let's consider this.
2013 - Rossi returns to Yamaha and runs a distant 4th gets lucky win due to Lorenzo being injured, Pedrosa being Pedrosa and Marquez being inexperienced.
2014 - Rossi runs a distant second beating Lornezo and Pedrosa both of him prefer softer tyres than Rossi. Marquez who like Rossi prefers harder tyres with stiffer carcass' but rides them better goes on to have 13 races wins and crashes out of the lead twice. Rossi has a much better season, much more consistent and scores a heap of points. Is it not out of the realm of possibility that Maruqez incredible run in 2014 and End of career resurgence could've been helped greatly by tyres that were more to their preference?
2015 - Marquez refuses to settle for any positions a bad bike and stupidity on his own part eliminates him from the race. Rossi gets a strong start to the season but Lorenzo starts to find form with a new tyre and wins 4 straight. Tyre is then weirdly withdrawn for Assen, Marquez excaims we all know why but we are not allowed to say. Rossi chokes down the stretch, Lorenzo wins, Rossi finds someone else to blame.
2016 - testing is dominated by Lorenzo, front tyre that he used to dominate on is withdrawn on safety concerns after rear tyre problems. It becomes a 2 horse race for the title between Marquez and Rossi who both prefer harder tyres as Lorenzo and Pedrosa in particular struggle to get feeling from the harder front tyres. Heavy brakers like Rossi and Marquez do well.

Not one of these things that happen point to anything untoward taking place, but all of those coincidences, all these strange things happening that all seem to help Rossi. It has to at some point be by design. There just seems to be too many small things that happen that end up helping Rossi and/or hindering his competition tyre wise to just simply be a coincidence. The issue is that if you give Rossi his favoured tyres Marquez will ride them better and run away with a championship how he has done twice, once with an unfavourable bike.

2017 could provide even more coincidences. None of these coincidences ever seem to hurt Rossi, while things have happened to hurt all of his rivals since '07.

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Wasting your time. Rossi Spawn are fact repellent. They're like Trump voters who after their air and water are choked with poison, their health insurance gone and their infrastructure crumbling down around their heads, will double down and vote for him again. They're constitutionally incapable of recognizing when they are wrong.

Keshav said:

Wasting your time. Rossi Spawn are fact repellent. They're like Trump voters who after their air and water are choked with poison, their health insurance gone and their infrastructure crumbling down around their heads, will double down and vote for him again. They're constitutionally incapable of recognizing when they are wrong.

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Or in this particular posters case, still is clinging to the myth that the Brexit will somehow bring back a Britain that never existed, but stands to bring back a Britain filled with malaise and economic woes due to not having any fundamental understanding of what they voted for.

JPSLotus said:

Or in this particular posters case, still is clinging to the myth that the Brexit will somehow bring back a Britain that never existed, but stands to bring back a Britain filled with malaise and economic woes due to not having any fundamental understanding of what they voted for.

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Carry on, I'm in stitches being told my country is ...... by someone who is ruled by the tangerine tosspot

Daniboy said:

Carry on, I'm in stitches being told my country is ...... by someone who is ruled by the tangerine tosspot

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This might be a valid retort if I were making some sort of direct comparison claim between the two countries. Intelligence isn't your strong suit, so you should refrain from attempting to pretend that you have any.

Here's the real kicker though, at least there is an end to Trump...Brexit is forever.

JPSLotus said:

This might be a valid retort if I were making some sort of direct comparison claim between the two countries. Intelligence isn't your strong suit, so you should refrain from attempting to pretend that you have any.

Here's the real kicker though, at least there is an end to Trump...Brexit is forever.

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It's not a kicker though is it 'brainiac' fact is nobody knows how the negotiations will go and therefore no predictions have any validity until details emerge AFTERWARDS.
I can only imagine you work alone if at all as your people skills areoop:

JPSLotus said:

This might be a valid retort if I were making some sort of direct comparison claim between the two countries. Intelligence isn't your strong suit, so you should refrain from attempting to pretend that you have any.

Here's the real kicker though, at least there is an end to Trump...Brexit is forever.

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Daniboy said:

It's not a kicker though is it 'brainiac' fact is nobody knows how the negotiations will go and therefore no predictions have any validity until details emerge AFTERWARDS.
I can only imagine you work alone if at all as your people skills areoop:

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When negotiating it helps if you can actually negotiate from a position of strength because then you actually have something to offer the person on the other side of the table. The UK cannot do this because they need access to the single market quite badly, and everyone knows this including the politicians in Brussels. Your unelected Prime Minister says no deal is better than a bad deal. That's pretty interesting since no deal would pretty much wreck the UK economy, and have the added benefit of seeing another Scottish referendum on exiting the UK, and you better believe that it will succeed at that time. Hell it may still happen anyway. The UK was making out pretty good due to the EU, something a lot of the Brexiters failed to comprehend because much like the yokels in America who voted for Trump, they can't grasp that economics on a national/global level doesn't quite function like the personal economics you and I engage in on a daily basis. Personal debt and national debt are not even remotely the same as the government has a key advantage private citizens most decidedly do not have; they can print money. That alters how debt works at a national level quite significantly.

Anyhow, Brexiteers like the Trumptools voted because for their respective choices because the world has passed them by. Instead of learning how to best adapt to the complexities of the changing world, they chose instead to sit on their proverbial porches with other like-minded binary thinkers railing about the world as it is, and wishing for a return to the way things used to be. Progress comes whether you want it to do, and while we could debate the validity of all progress as it would be a fair discussion to have, at some point you have to adapt to the situation you have at hand and deal with it. Voting to change for the sake of change (impulsive voting) is how you wind up with an Orange Orangutan in the White House who is quite literally, the dumbest man to ever sit in that position in our nearly 230 years of presidential politics and how you wind up with a country about to commit economic suicide because a bunch of whiners didn't like the idea of the European Union because they don't understand how the world they live in works.

Sure no one knows how the negotiations go, but much like the people who said you have to give Trump a chance, you'll eventually find out just how bad things can get. You can't imagine things being bad only because the effects of the UK economic slowdown haven't hit yet.

Congratulations on only being able to see the trees and not realizing there's an entire forest out there. It's the same reason you can't see how bad Valentino Rossi was for MotoGP because you lack any real vision to see the entire picture.

Sure I work alone by choice because it's far more productive. I don't have to deal with any ........ and things get done.