Rossi's pass at Le mans

Frizzle said:

Non event

Dovi was the one trying to make a repass after Vale got him the corner before.

Vale outbraked him & the pass failed. There was no pass under yellows.

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Goatboy said:

Those pics are terrible! I'll repost these:

It was the first yellow Rog.

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Goatboy said:

Those pics are terrible! I'll repost these:

It was the first yellow Rog.

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Jumkie said:

According to Goatboys pic, it certainly does look like Rossi passed at a yellow. Its midway down that straight where riders expected to yield to flag, Dovi is ahead at this point, but then Rossi passes on brakes. That is an overtaking at a yellow flag.



One thing should be clear, if its debatable, Rossi will get benefit of that doubt, even if the doubt is imaginary.

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chopperman said:

At a yellow flag, ummm thats ambigious ! so where exactly is AT a yellow flag. 10 yards, 100 yards, 1 lap

I believe the rule is pasing once you are on or past the first yellow, not before it.

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Jumkie said:

So I suppose your understanding of no passing when a yellow flag is show is AFTER the rider passes the marshal post? So are you saying when the riders are expected to see the yellow flag, at that point its still ok to execute a pass?

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Pigeon said:

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]if your called Rossi every scenario in the book comes into it not to shaft you[/font]

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[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]If your called Sic-boy every scenario in the book comes into it.to shaft you[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]butler rulings on Rossi[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]I asked MotoGP Race Director Paul Butler about several other calls over recent years.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Butler pointed out that Race Direction now receives the entire broadcast feed,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]in addition to all those from closed circuit cameras, direct to the tower.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]"We use the circuit feed as fallback, but we now have immediate access to every feed from every camera," he explained.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]"If we get a report from a marshal about and incident involving contact or that brings into question a rider's conduct,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]we have the digital feed, an operator, Carlos, and we can look at it.[/font][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]

[/font][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Butler: "That call was seriously marginal. It was on the line. We reviewed it. It was a last lap, last corner move with the [/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]win to be decided. It was an aggressive move. It was like the Simoncelli-Aoyama incident just mentioned.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]You can't say that Rossi went in there with the preconceived idea of using Sete as a berm. He went in there and he went[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]in there too hot and pushed Sete wide as a result but the difficulty is always to say where you draw the line between[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]pulling people up for racing and for just doing something that is premeditated and dangerous. It was a very ambitious[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]move, over ambitious probably, but… pulled off."[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"] [/font][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Butler: "Okay, the rules say you have to ride on the track and that the track is defined by its edges,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]but we don't have tramlines down the track. We haven't gotten to that yet. It's not athletics; it's not swimming.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]So you have to make a judgment call on whether somebody's maneuver is a legitimate move or whether it is blatant.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]So Valentino, he went outside the white lines but the judgment was that he had got in too hot and could easily[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]have crashed. He didn't think he was going to get advantage from cutting the corner. He wasn't going to intentionally[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]run over the sand on slicks."He was, again, over ambitious and he pulled it off.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]And you could argue that Casey saved him on the exit when Rossi ran against him on the exit.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]But again, it was regarded as a racing incident. It was hard racing, but racing! There have been some[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]who believe that the rule prohibiting a rider from benefiting from leaving and reentering the track should apply,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]but Rossi did not gain a place. He obviously made a mistake when he went over the curb but he got away with it as[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]riders often do. It was exciting stuff and a great dice between two great riders, a mistake that Rossi got away with but,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]clearly, a racing incident."[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"] [/font][font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"] [/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Butler: "The crash was just a racing incident. Rossi made a mistake and crashed and he collected Stoner[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]who was the unfortunate victim. As far as the corner workers are concerned, we had representatives from[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Jerez travel to Portugal where we reviewed the actions of the corner workers using feed cameras, circuit cameras,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]other video, and even still shots and determined that the corner workers did their jobs without showing favoritism.[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]We may want to review procedures and instructions to corner workers in the future to define their priorities, but[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]they behaved correctly in Jerez When I remarked that Casey Stoner did not agree, and that, for that matter,[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]neither did John Hopkins as regards the 2005 sanction, Paul said, "Riders seldom if ever agree with decisions[/font]

[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]that go against them. That is their nature."[/font]

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Pigeon said:

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Yellow Flag

Shown waved at each row of the starting grid, this flag indicates that the start of the race is delayed.



Shown waved at the flag marshal post,



this flag indicates that there is a danger ahead.



The riders must slow down and be prepared to stop.



Overtaking is forbidden up until the point where the green flag is shown.



http://www.motogp.com/en/MotoGP+Basics/flags_lights









unless you called Valentino Rossi









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Any Infringement of this rule during a practice session will result in the cancellation of the time of the lap during which the infraction occurred. In case of infringement of this rule during the race, the rider must go back the number of positions decided by the Race Direction.

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chopperman said:

I would think this would meen a place gained after passing the first marshal waving the yellow flag. I dont believe Rossi gained a place.

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Jumkie said:

Hahaha, that's awesome. Every incident involving the name Rossi is immediately a "racing incident". I don't think Rossi's influence could get any more complete in the sport. It must be fantastic to race with absolute impunity. Its like haveing your twin double in the tower making the moment to moment decisions in your favor. No longer is his influence lobbying but rather his extension is the one holding the power. Fox guarding the hen house.



If you apply this standard to Sic, he should NOT have been penalized. It was a mere "racing incident".

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Jumkie said:

You said you weren't sure from the pictures, not that you don't know the rule. So I'm asking you, is a pass ok to execute at the point the riders can be reasonably expected to see the yellow waving, or only after they have passed the station?

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