Bad starts are now due to the electronics not the rider... It doesn't help when you have a flyweight and a Ducati beside you most of the time.
Rossi's bad starts
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 4 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bad starts are now due to the electronics not the rider... It doesn't help when you have a flyweight and a Ducati beside you most of the time.
possibly but i think starts are just rossi's weak point. none of us are perfect. lets face it if rossi was a professional drag racer he would not have been a champ
possibly but i think starts are just rossi's weak point. none of us are perfect. lets face it if rossi was a professional drag racer he would not have been a champ
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 4 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if rossi was a professional drag racer he would not have been a champ
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 4 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>topics merged.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jul 4 2008, 02:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>topics merged.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 4 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>possibly but i think starts are just rossi's weak point. none of us are perfect. lets face it if rossi was a professional drag racer he would not have been a champ
Not true. He would just have Dorna change the rules to give him a handicap head start.
Not true. He would just have Dorna change the rules to give him a handicap head start.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 4 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not true. He would just have Dorna change the rules to give him a handicap head start.
Yeah good call...in that case should we start the "super ducati" in the rear until the Japs build some more power huh....and until Rossi can learn to get a good start......
Yeah good call...in that case should we start the "super ducati" in the rear until the Japs build some more power huh....and until Rossi can learn to get a good start......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 5 2008, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah good call...in that case should we start the "super ducati" in the rear until the Japs build some more power huh....and until Rossi can learn to get a good start......
But 3 of them already start every race at the rear.
But 3 of them already start every race at the rear.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 4 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But 3 of them already start every race at the rear.
awww true....lol...poor marco...guy can't get a break this season....
awww true....lol...poor marco...guy can't get a break this season....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 5 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>awww true....lol...poor marco...guy can't get a break this season....
Ok ok ok - enough with the poor Marco everyone.
He is making .... loads riding a supposedly superior motorcycle at the rear of the field week in week out. Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say? In which case nobody should be feeling sorry for the guys at the back that under performing on the Ducati.
You can't say the bike has a performance advantage over the field and then say poor Marco because he has to ride it. Because if Stoner was riding the thing around 3 seconds a lap behind the leaders, you would be saying " See he is crap "
There is some serious double standards going on here.
Ok ok ok - enough with the poor Marco everyone.
He is making .... loads riding a supposedly superior motorcycle at the rear of the field week in week out. Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say? In which case nobody should be feeling sorry for the guys at the back that under performing on the Ducati.
You can't say the bike has a performance advantage over the field and then say poor Marco because he has to ride it. Because if Stoner was riding the thing around 3 seconds a lap behind the leaders, you would be saying " See he is crap "
There is some serious double standards going on here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 5 2008, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok ok ok - enough with the poor Marco everyone.
He is making .... loads riding a supposedly superior motorcycle at the rear of the field week in week out. Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say? In which case nobody should be feeling sorry for the guys at the back that under performing on the Ducati.
You can't say the bike has a performance advantage over the field and then say poor Marco because he has to ride it. Because if Stoner was riding the thing around 3 seconds a lap behind the leaders, you would be saying " See he is crap "
There is some serious double standards going on here.
who said marco's bike is superior ? your assuming marco's bike is the same as caseys. mabe it is and he just cant get on with it, maybe is not and ducati are trying out many development things on different bike's. none of us here know for sure so i dont see any real double standards.
He is making .... loads riding a supposedly superior motorcycle at the rear of the field week in week out. Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say? In which case nobody should be feeling sorry for the guys at the back that under performing on the Ducati.
You can't say the bike has a performance advantage over the field and then say poor Marco because he has to ride it. Because if Stoner was riding the thing around 3 seconds a lap behind the leaders, you would be saying " See he is crap "
There is some serious double standards going on here.
who said marco's bike is superior ? your assuming marco's bike is the same as caseys. mabe it is and he just cant get on with it, maybe is not and ducati are trying out many development things on different bike's. none of us here know for sure so i dont see any real double standards.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2008, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>who said marco's bike is superior ? your assuming marco's bike is the same as caseys. mabe it is and he just cant get on with it, maybe is not and ducati are trying out many development things on different bike's. none of us here know for sure so i dont see any real double standards.
Ahhhhh okay.
Casey's bike is a superior bike to all the others and Marco's is the dog of the field?
Elias's and Guintolli's must be evolutions of Marco's bike right?
Listen to yourself man.
Either the bike is the bees knees and 3 are underperforming or the bike is not cutting the mustard and 1 is overperforming.
Ahhhhh okay.
Casey's bike is a superior bike to all the others and Marco's is the dog of the field?
Elias's and Guintolli's must be evolutions of Marco's bike right?
Listen to yourself man.
Either the bike is the bees knees and 3 are underperforming or the bike is not cutting the mustard and 1 is overperforming.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 5 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ahhhhh okay.
Casey's bike is a superior bike to all the others and Marco's is the dog of the field?
Elias's and Guintolli's must be evolutions of Marco's bike right?
Listen to yourself man.
Either the bike is the bees knees and 3 are underperforming or the bike is not cutting the mustard and 1 is overperforming.
unlike yourself im not saying its one way or the other. you said "Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say?" i asked who said marco's bike is superior and who are you accusing of having double standards on this issue ?
Casey's bike is a superior bike to all the others and Marco's is the dog of the field?
Elias's and Guintolli's must be evolutions of Marco's bike right?
Listen to yourself man.
Either the bike is the bees knees and 3 are underperforming or the bike is not cutting the mustard and 1 is overperforming.
unlike yourself im not saying its one way or the other. you said "Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say?" i asked who said marco's bike is superior and who are you accusing of having double standards on this issue ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unlike yourself im not saying its one way or the other. you said "Now which is it to be here? Is the bike a piece of .... and poor Marco has to ride it, or is it superior to the Yamaha like so many here say?" i asked who said marco's bike is superior and who are you accusing of having double standards on this issue ?
Well that's the thing Rog.
No one says Marco's bike is superior, but apparently Casey's is.
This is the double standard.
Well that's the thing Rog.
No one says Marco's bike is superior, but apparently Casey's is.
This is the double standard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 5 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well that's the thing Rog.
No one says Marco's bike is superior, but apparently Casey's is.
This is the double standard.
changed your post mate. did you change your mind ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Fair enough - Not directed at you personally. Although we have some history. tongue.gif
I think Doc would be the first to admit he thinks the Duc has a performance advantage.
its only a double standard if you can prove both bikes are identical, as i said im not saying they are or there not, none of us here know for a fact. personally i think calling any bike superior is a little short sighted. on some tracks stoners ducati looks to be superior and on others rossi's yam does. i say stoner ducati because his is the only one up front and the other 3 dont look superior at all.
No one says Marco's bike is superior, but apparently Casey's is.
This is the double standard.
changed your post mate. did you change your mind ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Fair enough - Not directed at you personally. Although we have some history. tongue.gif
I think Doc would be the first to admit he thinks the Duc has a performance advantage.
its only a double standard if you can prove both bikes are identical, as i said im not saying they are or there not, none of us here know for a fact. personally i think calling any bike superior is a little short sighted. on some tracks stoners ducati looks to be superior and on others rossi's yam does. i say stoner ducati because his is the only one up front and the other 3 dont look superior at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 5 2008, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well that's the thing Rog.
No one says Marco's bike is superior, but apparently Casey's is.
This is the double standard.
again assuming they are the same. stoners had a clear power advantage in 07, we all saw the ducati pull out of the slip stream and power past rossi which was pretty impressive stuff but i dont think thats the advantage this year, mabe due to the engine design or the electronics they appear to have a fuel management advantage.
No one says Marco's bike is superior, but apparently Casey's is.
This is the double standard.
again assuming they are the same. stoners had a clear power advantage in 07, we all saw the ducati pull out of the slip stream and power past rossi which was pretty impressive stuff but i dont think thats the advantage this year, mabe due to the engine design or the electronics they appear to have a fuel management advantage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>changed your post mate. did you change your mind ?
its only a double standard if you can prove both bikes are identical, as i said im not saying they are or there not, none of us here know for a fact. personally i think calling any bike superior is a little short sighted. on some tracks stoners ducati looks to be superior and on others rossi's yam does. i say stoner ducati because his is the only one up front and the other 3 dont look superior at all.
Yes I changed my post. Didn't read your " no one said Marco's bike was superior " carefully enough.
Very clever play on words. But avoided the point completely.
Your argument is now that Stoner has a 2 second a lap superior machine than the other 3 Ducati riders? You seriously have to be friggin kidding me right?
its only a double standard if you can prove both bikes are identical, as i said im not saying they are or there not, none of us here know for a fact. personally i think calling any bike superior is a little short sighted. on some tracks stoners ducati looks to be superior and on others rossi's yam does. i say stoner ducati because his is the only one up front and the other 3 dont look superior at all.
Yes I changed my post. Didn't read your " no one said Marco's bike was superior " carefully enough.
Very clever play on words. But avoided the point completely.
Your argument is now that Stoner has a 2 second a lap superior machine than the other 3 Ducati riders? You seriously have to be friggin kidding me right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 5 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes I changed my post. Didn't read your " no one said Marco's bike was superior " carefully enough.
Very clever play on words. But avoided the point completely.
Your argument is now that Stoner has a 2 second a lap superior machine than the other 3 Ducati riders? You seriously have to be friggin kidding me right?
where did i say that ?
Very clever play on words. But avoided the point completely.
Your argument is now that Stoner has a 2 second a lap superior machine than the other 3 Ducati riders? You seriously have to be friggin kidding me right?
where did i say that ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 5 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>again assuming they are the same. stoners had a clear power advantage in 07, we all saw the ducati pull out of the slip stream and power past rossi which was pretty impressive stuff but i dont think thats the advantage this year, mabe due to the engine design or the electronics they appear to have a fuel management advantage.
Absolutely agree.
The GP7 had a straight line speed advantage and a fairly significant one. No argument there.
However the Yamaha seemed to have a handling advantage on the tighter tracks.
Coupled with the fact Bridgestone probably was a better tyre on more tracks than Michelin was, then yes Stoner had an advantage. But when the Ducati was bucking and moving all over the place earlier in the year, no one said he had a disadvantage. All of a sudden the bikes were supposedly equal.
Absolutely agree.
The GP7 had a straight line speed advantage and a fairly significant one. No argument there.
However the Yamaha seemed to have a handling advantage on the tighter tracks.
Coupled with the fact Bridgestone probably was a better tyre on more tracks than Michelin was, then yes Stoner had an advantage. But when the Ducati was bucking and moving all over the place earlier in the year, no one said he had a disadvantage. All of a sudden the bikes were supposedly equal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jul 5 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely agree.
The GP7 had a straight line speed advantage and a fairly significant one. No argument there.
However the Yamaha seemed to have a handling advantage on the tighter tracks.
Coupled with the fact Bridgestone probably was a better tyre on more tracks than Michelin was, then yes Stoner had an advantage. But when the Ducati was bucking and moving all over the place earlier in the year, no one said he had a disadvantage. All of a sudden the bikes were supposedly equal.
as i said in post #35.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>personally i think calling any bike superior is a little short sighted. on some tracks stoners ducati looks to be superior and on others rossi's yam does
The GP7 had a straight line speed advantage and a fairly significant one. No argument there.
However the Yamaha seemed to have a handling advantage on the tighter tracks.
Coupled with the fact Bridgestone probably was a better tyre on more tracks than Michelin was, then yes Stoner had an advantage. But when the Ducati was bucking and moving all over the place earlier in the year, no one said he had a disadvantage. All of a sudden the bikes were supposedly equal.
as i said in post #35.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>personally i think calling any bike superior is a little short sighted. on some tracks stoners ducati looks to be superior and on others rossi's yam does
