Can Hodgson really be complimentary of anyone aside from VR?
I mean, the guy fawns over Rossi ............... it is like a 12 year old school girl with One Direction
Can Hodgson really be complimentary of anyone aside from VR?
I mean, the guy fawns over Rossi ............... it is like a 12 year old school girl with One Direction
haha ... ye'old "must have a link" as if that makes anything more or less valid on the internet?
Since some want links, from last year on how riders would or would not want traction control: THE MOTOGP QUESTION: TRACTION CONTROL | Cycle World
Traction control still is present, just a little different. I have no idea the purpose of comments on Throttle control here ... doesn't really make any sense to me, of course a rider has to manage the throttle? ... all part of the job that all riders have to adapt and deal with.
From the MotoGP web site:
Moto2 and Moto3 it's bike + rider, for MotoGP is just bike?? Why the inconsistency?
MotoGP: 2016 bikes 'a step back in time,' says Rossi | FOX Sports
And it has been unpredictable. If Michelin keep changing tires every race it will continue to be unpredictable. But again, Lorenzo, Marquez didn't complain all weekend at Jerez until "post" race and they all had the same tires just different setups. What most likely caught them out was the 11c higher temps.
Rossi ran almost full race distance simulation in one practice session as they were able to dial in the bike early.
As far as weights:
Lorenzo: 141
Rossi: 148
Marquez: 125-130 (seen two different reports)
Pedrosa: 112-120 (seen two different reports)
Bridgestone confirmed (sorry no link ... so it therefore must not be true) riders around the 135 lbs range appeared to produce the best tire characteristics from post race events from their involvement since 2009. Obviously no data yet from Michelin.
Lorenzo has consistently demonstrated that unless the bike is "perfect" he can't ride it well. Marquez can work thru a bike that isn't perfect, and this year it does indeed look like Marquez "so far" is implementing that lesson learned from last year -- take 2nd or 3rd rather than a DNF.
Marquez gave Rossi some credit for Jerez, Lorenzo gave Rossi no credit. Lorenzo has on multiple occasions made stupid remarks about Rossi without ever seeing a single video or data point. No matter how you slice it, Lorenzo has and is an ... ... he was a problem "child" the day he started MotoGP on 125s.
Rossi may never forgive Marquez, but if Marquez stays focused, keeps his attitude in check, and keeps it "relatively" clean (no one's perfect), I may be a fan some day after Rossi retires.
But no matter how you slice it, an old guy at 37 (10 years older) and the heaviest of the three riders at 148 lbs, tallest of the riders 6'0", on the same tires ... dished out a can of whoop-... to the younger generation. Marquez has learned to accept, Lorenzo has not and made the stupidest move of his career to go to Ducati ... just out of ego/attitude rather than common sense.
Since some want links, from last year on how riders would or would not want traction control: THE MOTOGP QUESTION: TRACTION CONTROL | Cycle World
Traction control still is present, just a little different. I have no idea the purpose of comments on Throttle control here ... doesn't really make any sense to me, of course a rider has to manage the throttle? ... all part of the job that all riders have to adapt and deal with.
From the MotoGP web site:
Moto2 and Moto3 it's bike + rider, for MotoGP is just bike?? Why the inconsistency?
MotoGP: 2016 bikes 'a step back in time,' says Rossi | FOX Sports
And it has been unpredictable. If Michelin keep changing tires every race it will continue to be unpredictable. But again, Lorenzo, Marquez didn't complain all weekend at Jerez until "post" race and they all had the same tires just different setups. What most likely caught them out was the 11c higher temps.
Rossi ran almost full race distance simulation in one practice session as they were able to dial in the bike early.
As far as weights:
Lorenzo: 141
Rossi: 148
Marquez: 125-130 (seen two different reports)
Pedrosa: 112-120 (seen two different reports)
Bridgestone confirmed (sorry no link ... so it therefore must not be true) riders around the 135 lbs range appeared to produce the best tire characteristics from post race events from their involvement since 2009. Obviously no data yet from Michelin.
Lorenzo has consistently demonstrated that unless the bike is "perfect" he can't ride it well. Marquez can work thru a bike that isn't perfect, and this year it does indeed look like Marquez "so far" is implementing that lesson learned from last year -- take 2nd or 3rd rather than a DNF.
Marquez gave Rossi some credit for Jerez, Lorenzo gave Rossi no credit. Lorenzo has on multiple occasions made stupid remarks about Rossi without ever seeing a single video or data point. No matter how you slice it, Lorenzo has and is an ... ... he was a problem "child" the day he started MotoGP on 125s.
Rossi may never forgive Marquez, but if Marquez stays focused, keeps his attitude in check, and keeps it "relatively" clean (no one's perfect), I may be a fan some day after Rossi retires.
But no matter how you slice it, an old guy at 37 (10 years older) and the heaviest of the three riders at 148 lbs, tallest of the riders 6'0", on the same tires ... dished out a can of whoop-... to the younger generation. Marquez has learned to accept, Lorenzo has not and made the stupidest move of his career to go to Ducati ... just out of ego/attitude rather than common sense.
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Le Mans is going to tell us if Michelin has decided to deliver on whatever mandate Dorna gave behind closed doors. We're supposed to believe Michelin is still finding their way though even though they brag endlessly about their know-how...yet after all the testing and through 3 races, their tires are still inconsistent? Beach front property in Arizona comes to mind.
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I got the info from Matt Oxley blog, but it was attributed to VR's engineer.
We’ve checked our data and Vale also had a lot of spin during the race,” explained Rossi’s data engineer Matteo Flamigni on Sunday evening. “But with our traction-control setting and with the way Vale understands how to open the throttle, he avoided the spin a bit better. Also, today was much hotter than practice, so before warm-up we adjusted the traction control and after warm-up we changed it a bit more, after we had looked at how the temperature was going to increase during the day. It was a good move!”
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Actually it does. I could say "The world is flat because I say so"..without a link to a primary source to back it up, my statement is worthless.
We get it, you hate Lorenzo and love Rossi.
You only don't like Lorenzo cos he is faster than your idol, and your idol would do anything to win his supposed greatest ever 10th title. Face it he bottles under real pressure......2006, Ducati, 2015
Lorenzo might fail to win a championship at Ducati but I bet he does better than Rossi, and I bet he does it with more integrity
This is exactly the "logic" I see here a lot: Rossi wins a race/is faster= there's gotta be a conspiracy. Since I don't think he'll win more than 4/5 (and I'm being very optimistic, as a fan) this year, I'll be curious if at the end of the season you'll go back to this statement and admit he simply was the best in Jerez. Mmmh don't think so.
Why hasn't anybody yet called that Austin track an example of a giant conspiracy by Dorna to make sure Marquez has a bonus easy win every year? Maybe because Marquez "haters" aren't as dumb as Rossi's "haters", and cause, in every field, in order to have an advantage, you need to be good enough to have the ability to know how to gain from that advantage. If Rossi has a pure talent in riding with unstable tires, that doesn't involve anything else except the simple fact that he's an amazing rider, even more amazing at his age. This should be something no one would have a problem to admit, in an unbiased motogp forum.
Before anyone mentions last year's Rossi conspiracy: that at least refeers to a limited amount of situations and races, and, to be fair, to something every single spectator could kinda notice with his own eyes. Not that I'm sure Rossi's version is 100% legit. But with conspiracies regarding Rossi, it's always some Matrix-esque systemical .........
No doubt that Rossi has always been amazing on worn tyres and in low grip conditions and still is, and was just plain faster than JL, MM or anyone else in several dry races (at least 2 by my count) last year as he was at the recent Jerez race.
MM "haters" smarter than Rossi "haters, or "MM" haters (and Rossi himself) being less consumed by conspiracy theories, and MM haters smarter on the basis of this? Rather more questionable. I do seem to recall certain press conferences prior to the Sepang 2015 race, and some little amount of controversy since. "Splinters and logs/beams" is I believe the relevant proverb.
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But is it any different from 'Rossi wins a race so he is back and the best' type of statements that we see here, there and everywhere?
I said on another thread .......... one race does not a season make
The only conspiracy is to see who can generate the best conspiracy about conspiracies
I've read a few interviews that state there is data sharing in the garage since VR returned to Yam. (Not that I think Yam would have given him a choice)
The most recent being this one that I could find:
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP launch press conference
The wall was the beginning of rossi's downfall.
If there is data sharing now at Yamaha then only one side of the garage has benefited, and it ain't 99. Rossi is a lucky boy they had him back
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Lin Jarvis has been increasingly full of ..... Add to this, who here is naive and gullible enough to believe Rossi's side of the garage is going to work with Lorenzo's side in good faith given Rossi believes (which means his minions in the garage do too) that Jorge conspired with Marquez to cheat him out of a title?
Next race, as they do in all races, they will inevitably show us a glamour shot of Rossi’s friends in the garage, which one is going to provide anything useful to Lorenzo?
Lin Jarvis runs both sides, we all know where his loyalties lie, despite his ........ politician speak, he controls most if not all "data sharing". You'd have to be a fool if you think Lorenzo is privy to anything that might help him beat Rossi. You'd have to be a fool to believe Rossi doesn't get more benefits from this supposed "free trade agreement".
Lin Jarvis got up there in public and attempted to defend Rossi’s DELIBERATE maneuver that resulted in a fellow competitor crashing out for .... sake.
Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
Next race, as they do in all races, they will inevitably show us a glamour shot of Rossi’s friends in the garage, which one is going to provide anything useful to Lorenzo?
Lin Jarvis runs both sides, we all know where his loyalties lie, despite his ........ politician speak, he controls most if not all "data sharing". You'd have to be a fool if you think Lorenzo is privy to anything that might help him beat Rossi. You'd have to be a fool to believe Rossi doesn't get more benefits from this supposed "free trade agreement".
Lin Jarvis got up there in public and attempted to defend Rossi’s DELIBERATE maneuver that resulted in a fellow competitor crashing out for .... sake.
Content Warning: Look ....... (.)(.)
I'm not convinced.
Lorenzo isn't some push over, he's had no hesitation in the past at calling out unfair treatment, I don't see why now would be different, especially with a move to Ducati already on the cards.
I've never seen it as a case of both sides of the garage collaborating to get the best setting. Because its going to vary per rider anyway, more just that the data collected from both sides is available to each rider. I think if the wall went up it would be news like the last time.
But that's pure conjecture on my part.
As for Lin Jarvis supporting Rossi, that's what he has to do, right or wrong, Nakamoto incessantly defended 'Murder Marquez' as everyone called him back then when he kept throwing his bike down the road or into other competitors. It's ...... but that's PR.
Well I didn't know that Lorenzo's championship celebration was put on ice to placate Rossi.
Good on Lorenzo for having the guts to leave.
Whether he wins on a Ducati or not, he is already a winner right now because of that move.
Lin Jarvis just made sure I won't be buying a Yamaha, not that they care.
I hope Ducati has the technical answers to fuel Stoner's and Lorenzo's motivation!
Good on Lorenzo for having the guts to leave.
Whether he wins on a Ducati or not, he is already a winner right now because of that move.
Lin Jarvis just made sure I won't be buying a Yamaha, not that they care.
I hope Ducati has the technical answers to fuel Stoner's and Lorenzo's motivation!
May well be wrong, but would this be the same Lin Jarvis who commented some years back that Yamaha did not want or need Rossi .......... this was around mid year 2012 from memory - and about the same time that Caramello made the 'I am calm' comment?
The same Lin Jarvis who (IMO) last year had a great opportunity to show leadership and dropped the ball big time?
Jarvis is an employee and I suspect far from teh most powerful employee in that team environment
Most of your posts on Rossi are worthless and nothing but paranoia and conspiracy.
Where you dropped as a baby? What data is there to be shared that will make huge difference? There is one tenth and less of second separate these 2 guys and the rider is 90% of the bikes performance, data would be useless these guys are evenly matched. You think Rossi and Jarvis have this huge secret performance breakthrough they won't share with Jorge? If yes, why did VR not win the first 3 races? Where were the special tires the first 3 races? Special tires must have been forgotten for Austin on VR's machine? GTFO with your schizoid paranoia theories.
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