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Racing is of course most fun when you're winning but, I think I could still see him having enjoyed himself at Silverstone, where he had a dopey grin on afterwards despite having come up second best in battles against Crutchlow, Iannone & Marquez and still being 50 points down in the championship ("it was vary difficult to kontrol the bike but in the end was vary funnie with Marquez and Cratchlow and I'm vary appy for this podium").

I have no doubt that he has always enjoyed racing, and still does when things are going his way. In fact even Povol and I warmed to him in 2013 when he was first back with Yamaha and said he was happy just to be able to race competitively again and seemed genuine about same.

What I meant is that surely non-one can see him as happy-go-lucky anymore after season 2015, when his ruthlessness, petulance and propensity to attempt to manipulate events by off track means using his power/influence with the media, the organisers of the series and with the crazy element among his fandom were nakedly on display, particularly the latter. As a huge Mick Doohan fan I have no problem with on-track ruthlessness of course, but the rest not so much.
 
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What I meant is that surely non-one can see him as happy-go-lucky anymore after season 2015, when his ruthlessness, petulance and propensity to attempt to manipulate events by off track means using his power/influence with the media, the organisers of the series and with the crazy element among his fandom were nakedly on display, particularly the latter. As a huge Mick Doohan fan I have no problem with on-track ruthlessness off course, but the rest not so much.

That veneer slipped for me years ago during the Sete years. Prior to that in the fracas at Catalunya, although anecdotal, I wasn't surprised to hear eyewitness accounts of Gibo Badioli restraining Biaggi's arms behind his back while Rossi punched him.
 
That veneer slipped for me years ago during the Sete years. Prior to that in the fracas at Catalunya, although anecdotal, I wasn't surprised to hear eyewitness accounts of Gibo Badioli restraining Biaggi's arms behind his back while Rossi punched him.

Much the same Arrib.

I started hearing stories around 2001/2002 and have kept hearing them since (some are from biased sides, some surprise me as some come fromRossi fans or former fans within race officaldom).
 
That veneer slipped for me years ago during the Sete years. Prior to that in the fracas at Catalunya, although anecdotal, I wasn't surprised to hear eyewitness accounts of Gibo Badioli restraining Biaggi's arms behind his back while Rossi punched him.

I read the same stuff, but wasn't aware it was that fat waste of time (and money) that held Max before the mosquito bit him
 
Argentina last year was something of a combination of the two (battling someone and trying to keep up when he couldn't) I guess.

if this is Rossi's tactic it might work for one race, and will have to happen very soon. Even as a callow rookie in 2013 MM settled for position and refused to engage in a duel with Lorenzo at the last race.

Rossi can do whatever he likes as long as it is legal as far as I am concerned. The authors of this article will be thrown out of the Rossi fan club if they are members though, as the light it would cast on Sepang 2015 if true is interesting, since the authors are suggesting both that how MM raced then was a response to attempted mind games by Rossi, and something which is in his DNA and exploitable by Rossi, pretty much the "Rossi Haters Forum" line.

In the end the article has no more (or less I guess) credibility than the speculation we engage in on here.

I had forgotten about Argentina though truth be told I don't believe that was due to a mistake from Marquez.
 
So Rossi and a friend assault Biaggi and there is not punishment for Rossi. No wonder why he felt like he could do what he did in Sepang.
 
The ........ just never stops with rossi these days. Im sorry i even tried to give that load of crap a go.

Its like he lives in a world of unicorns and all other such mystical .... .....

Im so over rossi.

He came in when the mgp series got lame and folk were more into WSBK. Built up a lame as fanbase and has been making mgp .... since riders who whoop his arse came in.


No fairybread and unicorns for me thanks ...... im so over that .....

This is what I mean by being traumatised, michaelm.
 
This is what I mean by being traumatised, michaelm.
So much for cod pyschology. I doubt you could traumatise Barry with a blow to the head with an axe, let alone psychologically traumatise him.

Again the comprehension problem is yours. Barry has posted here for 10 years years, and while none of us have ever been entirely sure what he is on about elements of satire run large, and the theme and much of the content of his posts have been constant since that time, with far from any evidence of trauma from watching his favourite rider win 38 races in such brilliant fashion, and 2 world championships, while he was racing.

Has anyone ever hit you over the head with an axe, btw?
 
So much for cod pyschology. I doubt you could traumatise Barry with a blow to the head with an axe, let alone psychologically traumatise him.

Again the comprehension problem is yours. Barry has posted here for 10 years years, and while none of us have ever been entirely sure what he is on about elements of satire run large, and the theme and much of the content of his posts have been constant since that time, with far from any evidence of trauma from watching his favourite rider win 38 races in such brilliant fashion, and 2 world championships, while he was racing.

Has anyone ever hit you over the head with an axe, btw?

So you're saying there is no elements of honesty in those kinds of posts. Or Jumkie handing the 2017 title to Rossi after every race which didn't go as he wanted.

No, I doubt I'd be posting here if anyone had done so. Why do you ask?
 
So you're saying there is no elements of honesty in those kinds of posts. Or Jumkie handing the 2017 title to Rossi after every race which didn't go as he wanted.

No, I doubt I'd be posting here if anyone had done so. Why do you ask?

No, I am saying you are making huge general assumptions about individual posters on the basis of them disagreeing with your opinions, Barry being pretty much the worst you could have picked concerning whom to make such assumptions.

You also seem to be continuing in the belief that cod psychology has some validity, concerning which I do have sufficient perspective and knowledge to call complete balderdash.
 
No, I am saying you are making huge general assumptions about individual posters on the basis of them disagreeing with your opinions, Barry being pretty much the worst you could have picked concerning whom to make such assumptions.

You also seem to be continuing in the belief that cod psychology has some validity, concerning which I do have sufficient perspective and knowledge to call complete balderdash.

So you don't think they have a deep resentment towards Rossi?

But you admitted that I was right in the other thread.
 
So you don't think they have a deep resentment towards Rossi?

But you admitted that I was right in the other thread.

Look up the meaning of the word syllogism, you can add it to the litany of common logical fallacies you constantly employ.

What I said on other threads was that cod psychology in general, and your use of cod psychology in particular, are completely illegitimate, and in fact an example of another logical fallacy, the "red herring". Your choice of a post from Barry of all people as proof of your thesis is particularly amusing.

What should be clear to you is that in the opinion of many on here Rossi is a conniving scumbag who uses the crazy element among his fandom and a sycophantic media to run personal vendettas against his rivals, probably at least partly in an attempt to gain competitive advantage; not much Freudian psychology involved in that.

I part company with some others in that I don't contend the above negates him being a great rider when his riding is considered in isolation, or from having wonderful accomplishments as a rider, and I do think you have some case insofar as diminishment of his very considerable achievements is concerned. Such diminishment follows systematic diminishment of the achievements of several other riders by many among his fans, however.

If this was an alternative universe in which pseudopsychological balderdash, as opposed to in this continuum, was somehow valid it escapes me why you contend events of the last 10 years would have caused psychological trauma to fans of MM or JL, who have clearly out performed Rossi in that period (JL over nearly the whole decade, MM in the last 4 years of that decade) or of Casey Stoner for that matter, whom he at best came close to matching in the first 6 years of that decade.
 
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I love what I read in a John Mcguinnes interview once and he stated that if he ever got near Joey's tt records he'd hang the leathers up.

Funny you mention that.

In Australia cricket, Don Bradman's score of 334 was for a number of years the highest individual score by a batsman and was somewhat revered.

Mark Taylor, the then Australian captain once got to 334 and had a chance to break the record but chose to declare the teams innings closed thus removing any chance he had to beat the record (the declaration was his decision). In an interview some years later I remember him being asked about that innings and he replied along the lines of 'sure I can say I once equalled Bradman but lets be fair, no way am I as good or good enough to beat him, we know that today was my lucky day'.

The record has since been beaten but Taylor made it clear that to him, the record was sacrosanct
 
Funny you mention that.

In Australia cricket, Don Bradman's score of 334 was for a number of years the highest individual score by a batsman and was somewhat revered.

Mark Taylor, the then Australian captain once got to 334 and had a chance to break the record but chose to declare the teams innings closed thus removing any chance he had to beat the record (the declaration was his decision). In an interview some years later I remember him being asked about that innings and he replied along the lines of 'sure I can say I once equalled Bradman but lets be fair, no way am I as good or good enough to beat him, we know that today was my lucky day'.

The record has since been beaten but Taylor made it clear that to him, the record was sacrosanct

Bradman seems to be overlooked in a few places when it comes to naming great sportsmen. I believe the closest to his run rate is in the 60s(?) while he sits on 99 to be 30% better than your closest competition is unbelievable.
 
Bradman seems to be overlooked in a few places when it comes to naming great sportsmen. I believe the closest to his run rate is in the 60s(?) while he sits on 99 to be 30% better than your closest competition is unbelievable.

His average at the end of his career was 99.94 (one of those stats for which google is unnecessary to us Australian cricket tragics). In his last innings he only needed to score 4 runs and his batting average would have been 100.

To put this in perspective for non cricket people, that would mean that his average score every time he batted was 100 runs, which is remarkable given that many cricketers will never score 50 never mind 100 in a career.

There have been some with closer averages than 60 but as those careers have developed the average has dropped remarkably.

I genuinely have no idea how it would compare to Baseball or other high profile US sports for example and no real way to relate it to MotoGP in terms of the statistic, although calling him the aliens alien would be close.

I do recall numerous articles over the years where people have tried comparing and in near all, Bradman comes out as an anomoly and so far outside of the norm that there have been deliberate attempts to lessen his results.

Thing with him is that he was also an adept athlete and could have represented there and it is said was off scratch at golf and could have gone down that path as well.
 
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His average at the end of his career was 99.94 (one of those stats for which google is unnecessary to us Australian cricket tragics). In his last innings he only needed to score 4 runs and his batting average would have been 100.

To put this in perspective for non cricket people, that would mean that his average score every time he batted was 100 runs, which is remarkable given that many cricketers will never score 50 never mind 100 in a career.

There have been some with closer averages than 60 but as those careers have developed the average has dropped remarkably.

I genuinely have no idea how it would compare to Baseball or other high profile US sports for example and no real way to relate it to MotoGP in terms of the statistic, although calling him the aliens alien would be close.

I do recall numerous articles over the years where people have tried comparing and in near all, Bradman comes out as an anomoly and so far outside of the norm that there have been deliberate attempts to lessen his results.

Thing with him is that he was also an adept athlete and could have represented there and it is said was off scratch at golf and could have gone down that path as well.

The only guy off the top of my head who's record(from what I've read) seems to be so far above his competition is Gretsky.
Throw in long boat journeys(around 6 weeks) to play in England etc where it would surely be hard to stay at your best all the time his record IMO is even better.
In MotoGP terms I guess it's be like 11-12 premier class championships with 160ish wins over all classes? Though the sports are so different concerning equipment being a level playing field it's a kind of .... comparison.
 
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