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I suppose we could all pretend we didnt see him kick the bike...and that he himself was penalized for it, but how much was MM getting for being on Jorges payroll?
 
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Raging Rossi told Marquez: “What the f***, they will remember you only for this”

Some more insight than what I've heard before. However, I still believe Rossi is in cuckoo land.
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This seems to have become pretty much an obsession for Rossi and again demonstrates his sense of entitlement and divorcement from reality more than anything about MM imo. Thwarting Rossi's 8th/10th title by means most foul is what MM will be mainly remembered for indeed. Rossi never needed the 2015 title, everyone knew he was better than Ago. MM looks like he may have to settle for two less than Ago and one less than Rossi, but obviously will be remembered as an all-time great. That Rossi and a substantial element among his fandom hate MM eternally I am sure worries him not a jot, and increases my regard for him for that matter.

Whether or not Rossi deliberately kicked MM he definitely ran him off the track at Sepang which is kind of against the rules. And he seems to have forgotten a certain press conference prior to the Sepang 2015 race when he made totally unsupported allegations about MM to the world which is where this really all started in my view. As MM said how did he support Jorge Lorenzo at PI by beating him and actually winning the race ?. That he tanked a race he won is prima facie absurd. It subsequently emerged that the whole idea about PI 2015 came from post race analysis by that noted GP sage Uccio. And as MM also said Rossi's problem was not being able to beat Lorenzo in the end of season races, not to mention Dani Pedrosa in several races, and in one case at PI Iannone.

My theory has always been that MM at PI 2015 decided not to interfere with the contenders, then took the chance to win the race when the bike came to him late in the race. Sure Sepang 2015 after provocation at the pre-race press conference was pretty much a re-enactment of the race in 2010 when Rossi decided to make a point to Jorge Lorenzo who was close to clinching the title. Neither Rossi in 2010 nor MM in 2015 did much beyond the confines of hard but fair racing if Lorenzo's or Rossi's positions in the championship were ignored imo, although Lorenzo in 2010 was by that stage in the race concerned pretty much certain to win the title. What Rossi also doesn't mention is that he never at any time including after he forced MM out demonstrated that he had the pace to go with Pedrosa and Lorenzo at Sepang 2015, and if MM really was faster than him but holding back Rossi probably enhanced his net position in the title race by forcing MM out resulting in him finishing 3rd instead of likely finishing 4th.
 
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That he tanked a race he won is prima facie absurd. It subsequently emerged that the whole idea about PI 2015 came from post race analysis by that noted GP sage Uccio.
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Funnily enough, I watched the last lap of that race recently. You know what amused me? Rossi congratulated Marc for the win shortly after the checkered flag. Would you congratulate somebody you're angry with?

Uccio is the prime example of someone who has stolen a living.

Also during that race, Iannone battled Rossi as hard as MM did but never drew the ire of the VR contingent or the fans. Almost like the whole charade was an attempt to remove a faster factor from the equation.
 
There was considerable rancour against Iannone from that element among Rossi’s fandom initially but Rossi turned it off like a tap, thereby demonstrating to me anyway that he had always been in control of/orchestrated the abuse of his rivals by his fans, I had previously blamed that element among his fandom exclusively.
 
Mrpurple said:
I suppose we could all pretend we didnt see him kick the bike...and that he himself was penalized for it, but how much was MM getting for being on Jorges payroll?
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I always loved that right after Rossi spewed his mouth off in that press conference, the journalists immediately asked Lorenzo if Marquez helped him in PI.

His retort was witty and classic, especially for a non-native English speaker:

"Yes, especially on the last lap"


michaelm said:
Whether or not Rossi deliberately kicked MM he definitely ran him off the track at Sepang which is kind of against the rules. And he seems to have forgotten a certain press conference prior to the Sepang 2015 race when he made totally unsupported allegations about MM to the world which is where this really all started in my view. As MM said how did he support Jorge Lorenzo at PI by beating him and actually winning the race ?. That he tanked a race he won is prima facie absurd. It subsequently emerged that the whole idea about PI 2015 came from post race analysis by that noted GP sage Uccio. And as MM also said Rossi's problem was not being able to beat Lorenzo in the end of season races, not to mention Dani Pedrosa in several races, and in one case at PI Iannone.
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It's always that ballbag Uccio...
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Funnily enough, I watched the last lap of that race recently. You know what amused me? Rossi congratulated Marc for the win shortly after the checkered flag. Would you congratulate somebody you're angry with?

Also during that race, Iannone battled Rossi as hard as MM did but never drew the ire of the VR contingent or the fans. Almost like the whole charade was an attempt to remove a faster factor from the equation.
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There was considerable rancour against Iannone from that element among Rossi’s fandom initially but Rossi turned it off like a tap, thereby demonstrating to me anyway that he had always been in control of/orchestrated the abuse of his rivals by his fans, I had previously blamed that element among his fandom exclusively.
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Exactly, Rossi fans wanted to hang Iannone after PI, but he basically said 'No no, that's just racing...MARQUEZ is the guy you need to be angry with'

Remember all the people that joined this page in the immediate aftermath of Sepang? (I think a race thread is usually 10 pages, that one is I think near 150). I remember many of them saying how obvious it was Marquez was doing what Rossi claimed he was doing in PI, yet when I (and others) challenged them that if it were so obvious, why did they say nothing in the 4 days between PI and the now famous Sepang press conference?

Because, like good parrots, they just spout what their idol tells them to. Actually, that's likely an insult to Parrots.
 
The further irony for me is Rossi’s focus in this most recent outpouring on MM protecting Jorge in the Valencia race when it was his own post Sepang complaints which in all likelihood led to MM who was not found to have committed any impropriety in that Sepang race being admonished about racing the contenders too hard, with a hard pass being fairly definitely what was required to get ahead of Jorge at Valencia.

I don’t know what action he expected from the stewards at Valencia, perhaps a black flag for MM if he didn’t look like finishing in a position which would lead to a Rossi title win.
 
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The events at Sepang 2015 are among the most complex and intriguing in motorsport history. The kick itself is unprecedented and controversial, but the big picture themes, concepts and personality types are the juicy main course.

With Darth Puig sitting in the Repsol camp, fans should always wonder if he (or someone) told Marquez that if he ever wanted to challenge Rossi's records, Vale couldn't win his 8th title. To my knowledge there isn't the slightest evidence, but the opportunity and motive for zero-sum gamesmanship certainly existed. Whether or not the people involved were capable of considering the long-game is debatable, since a GP weekend requires near-complete focus on the present.

The most interesting aspect of the kick heard round the world is that it brought down Rossi's entire narrative-control-complex. "No, Sete, I didn't ram you in the last corner". "No, Casey, I didn't go off track at the corkscrew". These were the sorts of comments that Rossi would make and the sanctioning body would let it fly perhaps because the media and millions of fans would repeat the Rossi narrative. But when Rossi played his cards at Sepang, it failed completely.

The ontrack events at Sepang were largely incontrovertible, but Rossi employed deft political spin. I didn't kick anyone and I never would, but it's a good thing I did kick Marquez because he was trying to injure me and rig the championship for Jorge. Generally speaking, the public cannot defend itself against this sort of double-speak as it pertains to a tribal affair. People inevitably latch on to the denial or the rationalization, but Dorna and the FIM were not playing around, and ultimately handed down a penalty that cost Vale the world title.

I doubt many people feel sympathy for Rossi, especially those of us who saw his mask slip 8 years before the infamous kick, but I'm sure he is still haunted by the events that transpired, like a band releasing a new album to discover that the public no longer finds their average musical compositions to be worthy of platinum status. What's interesting is that he still harbors a grudge, but I suspect that will not subside until Marquez retires without 7 premier class titles. Rossi has moved beyond denial, but he's still quite angry.
 
Great, Rossi is gone now we have to see his 'buddy' every gd race now...what does that clown know about racing?
 
I have certainly thought myself that it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that MM or Puig thought very long term about beating Rossi’s title count, MM is certainly a student oh GP bike racing history, and knew Rossi’s history having already re-enacted the Jerez last corner and Corkscrew incidents, and Sepang 2015 ended up being a replay of a contretemps between Rossi and Jorge in 2010, although Jorge had then clinched the title except mathematically.

Although he was in no way obliged to help Rossi, I don’t believe MM cost him the title anyway. The PI thing was ludicrous, MM was not obliged to over-ride the Honda and crash out early as he had been doing all season, and won the the race when it was there to be won by means of one of his ridiculous banzai laps. Iirc Povol might have offered money to anyone who could provide anything date stamped which raised suspicion about MM at PI 2015 prior to the Sepang press conference. I think Rossi was likely to finish 4th if MM really was faster than him at Sepang ,which was one of Pedrosa’s weekends when nobody was beating him. Rossi also dropped points in several races to a finally healthy Pedrosa and to Iannone at PI through no agency of MM’s, and it was his problem that he often qualified poorly and had to keep coming through the field. He arrived at Valencia with Jorge needing to do more than just beat him because of MM winning PI and his third at PI, and Valencia where he had already lost a title was hardly his best track
 
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Lorenzo was smart, after the final race he talked about his achievements during the year avoiding the Marquez/Rossi situation
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Yes, I ended up being a big Lorenzo fan, and he must be one of the few riders ever to have displeased his team by winning the riders’ championship, perhaps together with Nicky Hayden in 2006.

Imonhe thanked MM for not taking him out at Valencia with an over ambitious pass attempt, which MM doubtless would have tried had the title been between him and Jorge.

Again my reading of PI 2015 was that MM by his standards didn’t race the contenders hard early in the race at which time his bike had been skittish all season, but took the win when the bike came to him later in the race and a win became available, in the process discovering a different way to win. Sepang post the press conference was if you want to see me race a contender hard I will show you how I might do that cf Rossi vs Lorenzo Motegi 2010. That MM had the pace to go with Pedrosa and Lorenzo ahead of him at that stage in the race is forever unknowable, and pretty much based on supposition because of a single banzai lap to get pole, and MM usually has such a lap in him as he had shown on the last lap at PI. . He hadn’t been as fast as Lorenzo for the rest of practice and qualifying, and anyone who had been following the sport realised that it eventually was one of Pedrosa’s occasional untouchable weekends. Rossi could have added verisimilitude to his narrative by being as fast as the 2 riders ahead once MM was out, which he didn’t do. It is also always permissible to race another rider for position hence MM not being subject to any sanctions..

I really don’t know what the press conference declamation was about, but if it was intended to intimidate MM it certainly backfired. Someone who said she was a psychologist opined (and was howled down for saying same) that Rossi looked to her to be over the edge, perhaps having obsessed about PI with little sleep in the intervening period, which sounded plausible to me at least.
 
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michaelm said:
Yes, I ended up being a big Lorenzo fan, and he must be one of the few riders ever to have displeased his team by winning the riders’ championship, perhaps together with Nicky Hayden in 2006.

Imonhe thanked MM for not taking him out at Valencia with an over ambitious pass attempt, which MM doubtless would have tried had the title been between him and Jorge.

Again my reading of PI 2015 was that MM by his standards didn’t race the contenders hard early in the race at which time his bike had been skittish all season, but took the win when the bike came to him later in the race and a win became available, in the process discovering a different way to win. Sepang post the press conference was if you want to see me race a contender hard I will show you how I might do that cf Rossi vs Lorenzo Motegi 2010. That MM had the pace to go with Pedrosa and Lorenzo ahead of him at that stage in the race is forever unknowable, and pretty much based on supposition because of a single banzai lap to get pole, and MM usually has such a lap in him as he had shown on the last lap at PI. . He hadn’t been as fast as Lorenzo for the rest of practice and qualifying, and anyone who had been following the sport realised that it eventually was one of Pedrosa’s occasional untouchable weekends. Rossi could have added verisimilitude to his narrative by being as fast as the 2 riders ahead once MM was out, which he didn’t do. It is also always permissible to race another rider for position hence MM not being subject to any sanctions..

I really don’t know what the press conference declamation was about, but if it was intended to intimidate MM it certainly backfired. Someone who said she was a psychologist opined (and was howled down for saying same) that Rossi looked to her to be over the edge, perhaps having obsessed about PI with little sleep in the intervening period, which sounded plausible to me at least.
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Imo he thanked MM I meant
 
michaelm said:
The further irony for me is Rossi’s focus in this most recent outpouring on MM protecting Jorge in the Valencia race when it was his own post Sepang complaints which in all likelihood led to MM who was not found to have committed any impropriety in that Sepang race being admonished about racing the contenders too hard, with a hard pass being fairly definitely what was required to get ahead of Jorge at Valencia.

I don’t know what action he expected from the stewards at Valencia, perhaps a black flag for MM if he didn’t look like finishing in a position which would lead to a Rossi title win.
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Exactly. Rossi made a career out of weaponising his fanbase to affect riders. When it didn't work on MM he got desperate.

mylexicon said:
The events at Sepang 2015 are among the most complex and intriguing in motorsport history. The kick itself is unprecedented and controversial, but the big picture themes, concepts and personality types are the juicy main course.

With Darth Puig sitting in the Repsol camp, fans should always wonder if he (or someone) told Marquez that if he ever wanted to challenge Rossi's records, Vale couldn't win his 8th title. To my knowledge there isn't the slightest evidence, but the opportunity and motive for zero-sum gamesmanship certainly existed. Whether or not the people involved were capable of considering the long-game is debatable, since a GP weekend requires near-complete focus on the present.
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Like you, I think that it was simply Rossi ...... around in the Sepang press conference and then found out.

mylexicon said:
The most interesting aspect of the kick heard round the world is that it brought down Rossi's entire narrative-control-complex. "No, Sete, I didn't ram you in the last corner". "No, Casey, I didn't go off track at the corkscrew". These were the sorts of comments that Rossi would make and the sanctioning body would let it fly perhaps because the media and millions of fans would repeat the Rossi narrative. But when Rossi played his cards at Sepang, it failed completely.
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"This is racing Casey"
mylexicon said:
The ontrack events at Sepang were largely incontrovertible, but Rossi employed deft political spin. I didn't kick anyone and I never would, but it's a good thing I did kick Marquez because he was trying to injure me and rig the championship for Jorge. Generally speaking, the public cannot defend itself against this sort of double-speak as it pertains to a tribal affair. People inevitably latch on to the denial or the rationalization, but Dorna and the FIM were not playing around, and ultimately handed down a penalty that cost Vale the world title.
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I will disagree with you on that last sentence. Short of one of the top 3 DNF'ing, Rossi was only ever going to finish 4th in Valencia. It's highly likely he would only have finished 4th in Sepang too had Marquez finished. Ultimately, what cost Rossi the tile, was he simply wasn't fast enough compared to Jorge Lorenzo in the latter stages of the season.

mylexicon said:
I doubt many people feel sympathy for Rossi, especially those of us who saw his mask slip 8 years before the infamous kick, but I'm sure he is still haunted by the events that transpired, like a band releasing a new album to discover that the public no longer finds their average musical compositions to be worthy of platinum status. What's interesting is that he still harbors a grudge, but I suspect that will not subside until Marquez retires without 7 premier class titles. Rossi has moved beyond denial, but he's still quite angry.
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Agreed. Why he had this obsession with a 10th is a mystery to many of us.
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Great, Rossi is gone now we have to see his 'buddy' every gd race now...what does that clown know about racing?
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I suspect his position is more about how well he knows other things....
michaelm said:
I have certainly thought myself that it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that MM or Puig thought very long term about beating Rossi’s title count, MM is certainly a student oh GP bike racing history, and knew Rossi’s history having already re-enacted the Jerez last corner and Corkscrew incidents, and Sepang 2015 ended up being a replay of a contretemps between Rossi and Jorge in 2010, although Jorge had then clinched the title except mathematically.

Although he was in no way obliged to help Rossi, I don’t believe MM cost him the title anyway. The PI thing was ludicrous, MM was not obliged to over-ride the Honda and crash out early as he had been doing all season, and won the the race when it was there to be won by means of one of his ridiculous banzai laps. Iirc Povol might have offered money to anyone who could provide anything date stamped which raised suspicion about MM at PI 2015 prior to the Sepang press conference. I think Rossi was likely to finish 4th if MM really was faster than him at Sepang ,which was one of Pedrosa’s weekends when nobody was beating him. Rossi also dropped points in several races to a finally healthy Pedrosa and to Iannone at PI through no agency of MM’s, and it was his problem that he often qualified poorly and had to keep coming through the field. He arrived at Valencia with Jorge needing to do more than just beat him because of MM winning PI and his third at PI, and Valencia where he had already lost a title was hardly his best track
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I seem to recall one of the latter year PI races, that Marquez did exactly the same thing. Cooled his pace mid race to save his tyre then bolted.

michaelm said:
Yes, I ended up being a big Lorenzo fan, and he must be one of the few riders ever to have displeased his team by winning the riders’ championship, perhaps together with Nicky Hayden in 2006.


I really don’t know what the press conference declamation was about, but if it was intended to intimidate MM it certainly backfired. Someone who said she was a psychologist opined (and was howled down for saying same) that Rossi looked to her to be over the edge, perhaps having obsessed about PI with little sleep in the intervening period, which sounded plausible to me at least.
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Like Marquez after, and Stoner before. Lorenzo is universally hated because he had the gall to beat Rossi.

I admire him and am a fan. I was saddened to see his career end the way it did.

Barbedwirebikerr said:
Just watched again the race, how Rossi did not get a black flag and next race pitlane start, which I think were the penalty options at the time, beggars belief.
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MotoROSSI in them days.
 
Guys, guys, guys ................................. it is a ....... crash.net article ffs

They were his mouthpiece and remain his mouthpiece as he is their golden egg laying goose and despite his retirement, at which point teh sport and angst in the paddock improved, they (crash) continue to pump out the pro Rossi line of articles.

I saw that the other day, saw the crash link and knew what it was to be but yes, Rossi is very much the old Abe Simpson many shouting at the clouds as he, his mouthpieces and other copius sycophants continue to spew forth the vitriol on his behalf.

...., one may now wonder if that dude whining that MM should just accept the penalty is a victim of the puppet master and trying to continue the 'all things Marquez are evil' and the line'MM does not care about the sport' BS that we have seen for a while.



.... I need to take some pills, the last few posts from me have seemed far angrier than they are but so sick of the BS we are seeing and hearing (and none of this is a criticism of the posting of the article, but aimed at the vested interest twits)
 
Too bad he has forgotten Misano. That's where he ...... up. Pitted a million laps late and his whole team was thinking wtf is he doing staying out. Finishing 5th, instead of 2nd.
 

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