it certainly will not affect rossi as much as it will affect lorenzo...
having said this, these guys are on the best machine...so once again htey will be the ones to beat, along side stoner, and every once in a while pedrosa...
having said this, these guys are on the best machine...so once again htey will be the ones to beat, along side stoner, and every once in a while pedrosa...
Even though I think it is such a lame and pathetic dummy spit I also like it because I think Lorenzo is over rated and it is easy to ride a bike set up by a team as experienced as the Rossi Burgess combo. He should have to prove himself I believe and he has had 2 years to learn so go and make your own way and stop riding on Rossi's coat tails. No-one handed Stoner the best bike on the grid perfectly set up. They thru him the keys of a beast and he just got on with it and rode around the problems no-one else could. Chuck Lorenzo on the Ducati beast and we will see how good he is not.
He wants to prove he is a champion? No one is going to hand him the championship. He has to earn it.
Well, here's his chance.
He didn't seem too thrilled with the idea, did he...
Well, here's his chance.
He didn't seem too thrilled with the idea, did he...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 4 2010, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even though I think it is such a lame and pathetic dummy spit I also like it because I think Lorenzo is over rated and it is easy to ride a bike set up by a team as experienced as the Rossi Burgess combo. He should have to prove himself I believe and he has had 2 years to learn so go and make your own way and stop riding on Rossi's coat tails. No-one handed Stoner the best bike on the grid perfectly set up. They thru him the keys of a beast and he just got on with it and rode around the problems no-one else could. Chuck Lorenzo on the Ducati beast and we will see how good he is not.
Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner??? Three post in no less. Thats filler for like page 5. They threw stoner the keys to the beast, and he won a championship on a faster more powerful bike than everyone elses. But what has he done since then? Regress, regress, regress, and puke at speed.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner??? Three post in no less. Thats filler for like page 5. They threw stoner the keys to the beast, and he won a championship on a faster more powerful bike than everyone elses. But what has he done since then? Regress, regress, regress, and puke at speed.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 4 2010, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner??? Three post in no less. Thats filler for like page 5. They threw stoner the keys to the beast, and he won a championship on a faster more powerful bike than everyone elses. But what has he done since then? Regress, regress, regress, and puke at speed.
Since you have continued the stoner theme, which I agree has little to do with the thread, whilst regressing and puking he has still managed to win 10 races to jorge's 5, obviously only when his bike was intermittently more powerful.
I don't have much problem with valentino's attitude to this, mick doohan felt similarly in his glory years, and a significant part of the advantage of the great riders has often been in set-up ability.
Since you have continued the stoner theme, which I agree has little to do with the thread, whilst regressing and puking he has still managed to win 10 races to jorge's 5, obviously only when his bike was intermittently more powerful.
I don't have much problem with valentino's attitude to this, mick doohan felt similarly in his glory years, and a significant part of the advantage of the great riders has often been in set-up ability.
its just "cheating rossi" at it again...if he so ....... good why would he care if jorge has access to his data...mehhh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 4 2010, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even though I think it is such a lame and pathetic dummy spit I also like it because I think Lorenzo is over rated and it is easy to ride a bike set up by a team as experienced as the Rossi Burgess combo. He should have to prove himself I believe and he has had 2 years to learn so go and make your own way and stop riding on Rossi's coat tails. No-one handed Stoner the best bike on the grid perfectly set up. They thru him the keys of a beast and he just got on with it and rode around the problems no-one else could. Chuck Lorenzo on the Ducati beast and we will see how good he is not.
LOL
that bike was a perfect match for stoner rite out of the box so stop living in dreamland not taking anything away from his talents tho....
just becuase it works for casey dont mean it will for lorenzo...or any other rider
LOL
that bike was a perfect match for stoner rite out of the box so stop living in dreamland not taking anything away from his talents tho....
just becuase it works for casey dont mean it will for lorenzo...or any other rider
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Feb 4 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its just "cheating rossi" at it again...if he so ....... good why would he care if jorge has access to his data...mehhh
LOL cheating ? its everyman for himself in motogp so why would you want to share data with a close competitor??
maybe next time rossi and lorenzo do battle rossi should pull over and let lorenzo take the win?
LOL cheating ? its everyman for himself in motogp so why would you want to share data with a close competitor??
maybe next time rossi and lorenzo do battle rossi should pull over and let lorenzo take the win?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 4 2010, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner??? Three post in no less. Thats filler for like page 5. They threw stoner the keys to the beast, and he won a championship on a faster more powerful bike than everyone elses. But what has he done since then? Regress, regress, regress, and puke at speed.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
In fairness, i mentioned Stoner in the title! Simply because while fiat Yamaha are doing what they can to allow their two riders to fight each other, they may well play into Stoner's hands and work in his favour. It's the classic two contenders vs 1 in a team situation, like in F1 but obviously to a smaller extent.
Anyway this was obviously Rossi's doing, and outwardly seems pretty unsporting and inconsiderate to the team. But to be fair its things like this that keep people like Rossi winning, and you would have thought it will work in his favour. On the other hand Lorenzo can take power from the fact that he has Rossi so rattled. I think your take on Lorenzo being a bad team mate is correct, he has made himself a competitor and a threat rather than a friend like Edwards. The results speak for themselfes and i doubt he did it by accident
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
In fairness, i mentioned Stoner in the title! Simply because while fiat Yamaha are doing what they can to allow their two riders to fight each other, they may well play into Stoner's hands and work in his favour. It's the classic two contenders vs 1 in a team situation, like in F1 but obviously to a smaller extent.
Anyway this was obviously Rossi's doing, and outwardly seems pretty unsporting and inconsiderate to the team. But to be fair its things like this that keep people like Rossi winning, and you would have thought it will work in his favour. On the other hand Lorenzo can take power from the fact that he has Rossi so rattled. I think your take on Lorenzo being a bad team mate is correct, he has made himself a competitor and a threat rather than a friend like Edwards. The results speak for themselfes and i doubt he did it by accident
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 4 2010, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In fairness, i mentioned Stoner in the title! Simply because while fiat Yamaha are doing what they can to allow their two riders to fight each other, they may well play into Stoner's hands and work in his favour. It's the classic two contenders vs 1 in a team situation, like in F1 but obviously to a smaller extent.
Anyway this was obviously Rossi's doing, and outwardly seems pretty unsporting and inconsiderate to the team. But to be fair its things like this that keep people like Rossi winning, and you would have thought it will work in his favour. On the other hand Lorenzo can take power from the fact that he has Rossi so rattled. I think your take on Lorenzo being a bad team mate is correct, he has made himself a competitor and a threat rather than a friend like Edwards. The results speak for themselfes and i doubt he did it by accident
Your right it is in the title. But also don't see how this helps stoner, make him happy sure. If he is the kind of person who likes to see others unhappy, that person being lorenzo. Because this in no way will hinder Rossi in the slightest. It will be business as usual in the rossi camp.
Anyway this was obviously Rossi's doing, and outwardly seems pretty unsporting and inconsiderate to the team. But to be fair its things like this that keep people like Rossi winning, and you would have thought it will work in his favour. On the other hand Lorenzo can take power from the fact that he has Rossi so rattled. I think your take on Lorenzo being a bad team mate is correct, he has made himself a competitor and a threat rather than a friend like Edwards. The results speak for themselfes and i doubt he did it by accident
Your right it is in the title. But also don't see how this helps stoner, make him happy sure. If he is the kind of person who likes to see others unhappy, that person being lorenzo. Because this in no way will hinder Rossi in the slightest. It will be business as usual in the rossi camp.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 4 2010, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your right it is in the title. But also don't see how this helps stoner, make him happy sure. If he is the kind of person who likes to see others unhappy, that person being lorenzo. Because this in no way will hinder Rossi in the slightest. It will be business as usual in the rossi camp.
That is you claiming that Rossi has never gained ANYTHING from having access to Lorenzo's data. That is bold and unlikely, i don't agree but we'll never know
That is you claiming that Rossi has never gained ANYTHING from having access to Lorenzo's data. That is bold and unlikely, i don't agree but we'll never know
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 4 2010, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL cheating ? its everyman for himself in motogp so why would you want to share data with a close competitor??
maybe next time rossi and lorenzo do battle rossi should pull over and let lorenzo take the win?
i think thats the point!
with bringing lorenzo AND spies AND....
yamaha has done quite some things rossi didnt like...some of them he has the right to dislike and some he doesnt in my opinion.
but somwhere it has to stop! lorenzo shall prove that he can do it on his own. this whole teammatething might work with spies / edwards...but edwards will leave soon and spies is all new this year. lorenzo and rossi go for the title....so let them battle....each with his own data...i cant see whats wrong with that!
i only can see jorge whining around again...and this where i just started to like him...hmmm...
maybe next time rossi and lorenzo do battle rossi should pull over and let lorenzo take the win?
i think thats the point!
with bringing lorenzo AND spies AND....
yamaha has done quite some things rossi didnt like...some of them he has the right to dislike and some he doesnt in my opinion.
but somwhere it has to stop! lorenzo shall prove that he can do it on his own. this whole teammatething might work with spies / edwards...but edwards will leave soon and spies is all new this year. lorenzo and rossi go for the title....so let them battle....each with his own data...i cant see whats wrong with that!
i only can see jorge whining around again...and this where i just started to like him...hmmm...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 4 2010, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner??? Three post in no less. Thats filler for like page 5. They threw stoner the keys to the beast, and he won a championship on a faster more powerful bike than everyone elses. But what has he done since then? Regress, regress, regress, and puke at speed.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
Lorenzo did complain about Rossi stealing his data after Friday sessions on a number of occasions this season. I'm sure that's an exaggeration but I'd be surprised if Rossi and Burgess never had a peak at Jorge's data just to see where things are different and come up with a few ideas. I think this was inevitable considering the rivalry between the two.
I will say one thing though, regardless of how Lorenzo handled himself since he started with Yamaha, Rossi was never going to help him. Rossi openly said that he did not want Yamaha to sign Lorenzo as his teammate. Rossi has disliked Lorenzo well before Lorenzo even set foot in a Yamaha garage.
And as far as the Stoner correlation, any championship contender is going to feel slightly better knowing his two main competitors are tripping over one another to keep each other at bay.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
Lorenzo did complain about Rossi stealing his data after Friday sessions on a number of occasions this season. I'm sure that's an exaggeration but I'd be surprised if Rossi and Burgess never had a peak at Jorge's data just to see where things are different and come up with a few ideas. I think this was inevitable considering the rivalry between the two.
I will say one thing though, regardless of how Lorenzo handled himself since he started with Yamaha, Rossi was never going to help him. Rossi openly said that he did not want Yamaha to sign Lorenzo as his teammate. Rossi has disliked Lorenzo well before Lorenzo even set foot in a Yamaha garage.
And as far as the Stoner correlation, any championship contender is going to feel slightly better knowing his two main competitors are tripping over one another to keep each other at bay.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 4 2010, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo did complain about Rossi stealing his data after Friday sessions on a number of occasions this season. I'm sure that's an exaggeration but I'd be surprised if Rossi and Burgess never had a peak at Jorge's data just to see where things are different and come up with a few ideas. I think this was inevitable considering the rivalry between the two.
I will say one thing though, regardless of how Lorenzo handled himself since he started with Yamaha, Rossi was never going to help him. Rossi openly said that he did not want Yamaha to sign Lorenzo as his teammate. Rossi has disliked Lorenzo well before Lorenzo even set foot in a Yamaha garage.
And as far as the Stoner correlation, any championship contender is going to feel slightly better knowing his two main competitors are tripping over one another to keep each other at bay.
Well put austin. two thumbs up.
I will say one thing though, regardless of how Lorenzo handled himself since he started with Yamaha, Rossi was never going to help him. Rossi openly said that he did not want Yamaha to sign Lorenzo as his teammate. Rossi has disliked Lorenzo well before Lorenzo even set foot in a Yamaha garage.
And as far as the Stoner correlation, any championship contender is going to feel slightly better knowing his two main competitors are tripping over one another to keep each other at bay.
Well put austin. two thumbs up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 4 2010, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On the other hand Lorenzo can take power from the fact that he has Rossi so rattled.
I don't think Rossi is rattled at all. Just look at how they both responded ot the question at the press conference. Rossi was playing it cool. Lorenzo still seemed pissed off about it. I know who is rattled and it sure isn't Rossi.
It's put up or shut time for Lorenzo...
I don't think Rossi is rattled at all. Just look at how they both responded ot the question at the press conference. Rossi was playing it cool. Lorenzo still seemed pissed off about it. I know who is rattled and it sure isn't Rossi.
It's put up or shut time for Lorenzo...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 5 2010, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell does this have anything to do with stoner??? Three post in no less. Thats filler for like page 5. They threw stoner the keys to the beast, and he won a championship on a faster more powerful bike than everyone elses. But what has he done since then? Regress, regress, regress, and puke at speed.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
Mud, My post has nothing to do with Stoner it is about Lorenzo. Stoner is a reference for the comparison of Lorenzo's entrance into MotoGP. The reference was to show that Lorenzo has had an easy entrance into MotoGP ie straight onto a factory bike that was developed by the 2 most successful people in the sport today incomparison to the other main contender who had a different entrance. It is a shame that you can only read a comment through your lopsided perception and so often miss the point of it.
Now on to the actual topic. If you ask me Lorenzo brought this on himself, by being a ...... teammate. I don't have the quotes but, wasn't Lorenzo complaining of Rossi stealing data from him last season? Thats like taking ... advice from a virgin, and no doubt pissed Rossi off. IMO If Lorenzo would have approached Rossi differently through his two seasons as a teammate he might have been more willing to share, but I don't think he ever felt the respect was there so in return, like casey career, they regressed as teammates.
Mud, My post has nothing to do with Stoner it is about Lorenzo. Stoner is a reference for the comparison of Lorenzo's entrance into MotoGP. The reference was to show that Lorenzo has had an easy entrance into MotoGP ie straight onto a factory bike that was developed by the 2 most successful people in the sport today incomparison to the other main contender who had a different entrance. It is a shame that you can only read a comment through your lopsided perception and so often miss the point of it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 5 2010, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LOL
that bike was a perfect match for stoner rite out of the box so stop living in dreamland not taking anything away from his talents tho....
just becuase it works for casey dont mean it will for lorenzo...or any other rider
Jaz,
You are correct if you read my post properly and have followed the many comments about #27's skills. It appears every bike is set up perfectly for him as he gets on and rides it fast and at the limit immediately regardless of the set up. It is a unique talent. But this thread is not about #27 it is about #99 and we will see if he is able to ride a bike that hasn't been set up by the best team in the business. I think he will find it difficult to find that last .2 - .3 which seperates the top from the middle.
that bike was a perfect match for stoner rite out of the box so stop living in dreamland not taking anything away from his talents tho....
just becuase it works for casey dont mean it will for lorenzo...or any other rider
Jaz,
You are correct if you read my post properly and have followed the many comments about #27's skills. It appears every bike is set up perfectly for him as he gets on and rides it fast and at the limit immediately regardless of the set up. It is a unique talent. But this thread is not about #27 it is about #99 and we will see if he is able to ride a bike that hasn't been set up by the best team in the business. I think he will find it difficult to find that last .2 - .3 which seperates the top from the middle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 4 2010, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is you claiming that Rossi has never gained ANYTHING from having access to Lorenzo's data. That is bold and unlikely, i don't agree but we'll never know
There were certainly occasions when lorenzo appeared to achieve a better set-up last year, but nothing like the majority of times; rossi is giving up a possible occasional advantage, but has fairly good reason to be confident about his own set-up ability.
IMO this situation only helps stoner if he and lorenzo are the major contenders for the title; in this probably not very likely eventuality yamaha can always re-visit the decision. If stoner does prove to be a strong threat for the title motorsport history cf hamilton/alonso and haga/fabrizzio suggests yamaha's best strategy is to have a clear number one rider
There were certainly occasions when lorenzo appeared to achieve a better set-up last year, but nothing like the majority of times; rossi is giving up a possible occasional advantage, but has fairly good reason to be confident about his own set-up ability.
IMO this situation only helps stoner if he and lorenzo are the major contenders for the title; in this probably not very likely eventuality yamaha can always re-visit the decision. If stoner does prove to be a strong threat for the title motorsport history cf hamilton/alonso and haga/fabrizzio suggests yamaha's best strategy is to have a clear number one rider
