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Rossi’s Final Challenge

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Rossi’s Final Challenge:

"My dream is to end my career with Yamaha," said a buoyant Valentino Rossi just two seasons ago, yet if rumours in the media are to be believed from the past week, the eight times world champion could be ready to make a dramatic and shock switch to Italian manufacturer Ducati when his current deal runs out at the end of 2010.

Valentino stunned the world at the end of the 2003 season with the shock announcement that after four successful seasons with Honda he was leaving to join arch rivals Yamaha. It was a move which re-ignited the fuse on the championship, as Rossi battled valiantly against his foes on what was considered inferior machinery and won.

The journey experienced by the Yamaha factory since 2004 has been very varied, with a mixture or highs and lows, joy and pain, the collaboration has seen the pair secure three premier class titles in the five years they have been together, matching Rossi’s title haul at Honda.

Yamaha have spent vast sums of money developing the various evolutions of the M1 motorcycle with the help and technical input from Valentino Rossi, analysing and perfecting the performance of the motorcycle to the point where it is now considered the best bike in the paddock. Which begs the question, why would Valentino Rossi want to leave?

To fully understand any rational reasoning behind that question, we need to take a look at why Rossi decided to leave his former employer Honda. At the end of 2003, Rossi decided that his own accomplishments were being overshadowed by the company. The RC211V had managed to dominant the series since its inception to the premier class and while other teams attempted to chase Rossi down utilising 500cc two strokes or other manufacturers four stroke 990cc equipment, Rossi felt that Honda undervalued his input into the project.

It was mentioned during the 500cc era that the bikes performance amassed to about 20% of the final race outcome, while the rider made up the other 80%. Although in the current era that figure may be closer to 50/50, it was clear that Valentino felt his own input and performance at Honda had being short changed and belittled.

It led to the classic break-up between the two parties, with Honda vowing to crush their former employee in the following season. Rossi and his team moved to Yamaha and worked tirelessly over the winter to develop the M1 into a competitive and competent package capable of winning the title, which he did in 2004 & 2005.

After two seasons without winning the premier class title and with a catalogue of mechanical malfunctions, Yamaha burst back to the front in 2008 with their third evolution of the 800cc prototype M1. It enabled Rossi to battle consistently with Ducati’s Casey Stoner and Honda’s Dani Pedrosa making for a thrilling Championship, which Valentino eventually clinched at Motegi.

However, Yamaha had started to invest in their future with the signing of double 250cc champion, Jorge Lorenzo, which caused a small amount of friction within the team. A dividing wall was initially constructed at the start of 2008 because the two riders were on different makes of tyre. However, the wall has remained intact in 2009 despite the one make tyre regulation and it appears that the camps are drifting apart.

Yamaha has also investing in the progress of another multiple champion in the form of current World Superbike Championship leader, Ben Spies. It has been widely suggested that Ben may become part of the Yamaha satellite project in 2010 with the option of being groomed for a factory seat in the future. It may be the case that with the company investing and courting all this new talent that Valentino is once again feeling a bit underappreciated.

It is important to remember that in the five years that Valentino has been with Yamaha, he is one of only two riders to win a race on their machinery, the only other rider being Jorge. When Rossi joined in 2004 Yamaha hadn’t won a race for over a year. Valentino and his team could rightly feel that they have contributed their 50% and have helped to make the motorcycle the pick of the paddock in the present day.

Clearly the technical team at Yamaha have designed, developed and manufactured a mechanical masterpiece, but to play down the significance of the other vital ingredient, the rider, would be a huge mistake. Five years on from Honda’s dominance could Yamaha’s current success be the making for the company’s downfall? Or with negotiations on Valentino’s new contract less than twelve months away and with sponsors like Respol and Marlboro clearly happy to bankroll the signature of a premier rider, is it a clever tactic being employed by Valentino to play the companies off one another in a bidding war for his services? You decide.

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http://londonbikers.com/articles/12346/ros...final-challenge
 
Okay. I gave the short answer.. The long...
Rossi is a competitor. He did not easily go to Yamaha. He took a Calculated risk.
He was sure that the bike would be developed to suit him, sure that the bike would be competitive enough to beat the rivals that he had at the time (Biaggi, Gibbers).

Lorenzo is only getting better. He will not make the same mistakes next year as this year. There is very very little room for error. There is little room for error on the same machinery right NOW.

The Ducati or the Honda would have to be great out of the box. Currently neither company (Ducati/Honda) has their development on que. Honda is close but I believe the bike is custom fit to Pedrosa and suits smaller riders...
Ducati - i think that they are getting better.

Would Rossi make the big jump from a Bike he/his team has developed to perfection to something (Ducati) that is lost in development? NO..

He wants to go out on top..not at the mid or back of the pack.
 
I think Rossi may take the leap to a Ducati saddle, if he can take Burgess along (besides the legendary expertise of JB's team, Rossi always needs a family-feeling and trusted familiar faces around him).

The decision-tipping element here, however, would be the money... Marlboro could continue paying Rossi the money he's used to for another 3-4 years, money which he badly needs to make up for the huge losses he incurred with Italian taxes and collaterals.

Money wasn't paramount for Lorenzo, who wants the title more than the cash. But Rossi already has titles to burn, so why not--if the 'challenge' doesn't work out this time, he can always console himself with the money, then move to four wheels
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 16 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi may take the leap to a Ducati saddle, if he can take Burgess along (besides the legendary expertise of JB's team, Rossi always needs a family-feeling and trusted familiar faces around him).

I also think this is a possibilty.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The decision-tipping element here, however, would be the money... Marlboro could continue paying Rossi the money he's used to for another 3-4 years, money which he badly needs to make up for the huge losses he incurred with Italian taxes and collaterals.
Does he need those money? I'm not so sure. Just read that he said he didn't ride for money, that he had all he needed.

To me the Ducati challenge look a lot like Yamaha did in '03 except we know it can be fast.
It's unrefined, but fast. Someone claimed that ridability is a factor for selecting the best bike and while it can't be ruled out because it IS a factor the best riders will often select the faster bike. Becuase
- they can (barley) handle it,
- they can refine it,
and best of all:
- others can't handle it.
This has happened before and I suspect it's happening now with Stoner and it can happen again.

If stoner leave I suspect Rossi might get the deal he want at Ducati.
Honda - NO WAY.
 
Sit tight Rossi lovers/fans/haters/undecideds (had to type that) - this is not an anti Rossi comment


The interesting and perhaps pertinient point or points may well relate to sponsorships.

Ducati is currently sponsored by the Tobacco giant of Phillip Morris by way of their Marlboro brand and with Rossi having in the past been very anti-tobacco I woudl expect that the sponsorship may be an issue (albeit possibly easily solved)

What is the end date for the Marlboror sponsorship with Ducati?

Has Rossi changed his stance since the Gauloise days?

How long is the FIAT deal with Yamaha?

It has been said that FIAT are very Rossi oriented - is that definite?

All timings working, would Rossi take FIAT to Ducati (most likely yes if all equal)


As for whether he would go - my bet is yes as he is displaying displeasure at Yamaha and should he not get his way (ie. his requirements met) than he will be looking elsewhere and he woudl be the most in demand at seasons end 2010 (of the top 4 - assuming Stoner remains).

The other aspect is that he has made it clear that he wants the record of 123/4 wins so he will not leave the sport until that has been achieved and if Yamaha cannot or will not give him the opportunity - every other factory sure will.






Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 16 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sit tight Rossi lovers/fans/haters/undecideds (had to type that) - this is not an anti Rossi comment


The interesting and perhaps pertinient point or points may well relate to sponsorships.

Ducati is currently sponsored by the Tobacco giant of Phillip Morris by way of their Marlboro brand and with Rossi having in the past been very anti-tobacco I woudl expect that the sponsorship may be an issue (albeit possibly easily solved)

What is the end date for the Marlboror sponsorship with Ducati?

Has Rossi changed his stance since the Gauloise days?

How long is the FIAT deal with Yamaha?

It has been said that FIAT are very Rossi oriented - is that definite?

All timings working, would Rossi take FIAT to Ducati (most likely yes if all equal)


As for whether he would go - my bet is yes as he is displaying displeasure at Yamaha and should he not get his way (ie. his requirements met) than he will be looking elsewhere and he woudl be the most in demand at seasons end 2010 (of the top 4 - assuming Stoner remains).

The other aspect is that he has made it clear that he wants the record of 123/4 wins so he will not leave the sport until that has been achieved and if Yamaha cannot or will not give him the opportunity - every other factory sure will.


2011 - (or maybe 2010) Rossi+JB+Ducati+Fiat(??) - WOW - that would bring some excitement






Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 16 2009, 06:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ducati is currently sponsored by the Tobacco giant of Phillip Morris by way of their Marlboro brand and with Rossi having in the past been very anti-tobacco I woudl expect that the sponsorship may be an issue (albeit possibly easily solved)He's been "very anti-tobacco" in the past, but when it came down to it, he rode under the banner of tobacco, even after the Gaulouises days. It'd be a bit different being on the only tobacco ride on the grid, but it's not like he's never ridden (or voluntarily switched to in the move from Honda) tobacco sponsorship.
 
Would he?I hope so,a completely diffrent style throwing the Duke around,that I would love to see!!!
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I think Rossi (& Burgess) are starting 2010 ‘Silly Season’ already! Now that’s playing their cards rightly so… Put on a ‘Donkey Face’ so no one can see it coming! (Whatever they are planning).
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If your not Italian it may be hard to understand what may be going through Vale's mind right now. There is a loyalty thing that he isn't to happy with at the moment due to the Jorge situation. Obviously he was a Honda guy for a long time so the fact that he may not be a Yamaha guy for to long wouldn't and shouldn't surprise anyone.

Vale already alluded to recently to what a big thing it would be to have Ducati and Valentino together. It could be a ploy towards Yamaha to get their .... together. But it also leaves one thinknig that he may start to feel the Italian thing coming on and to come home so to speak. No one makes a sauce like at home.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 16 2009, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To me the Ducati challenge look a lot like Yamaha did in '03 except we know it can be fast.
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Yeah, because Ducati already had a long history of several championships and coming runner up to several Honda championships, right?
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Bottom line, Rossi already put in the get out-of-jail free card, he won't go anywhere without Burgess (isn't that what he said). Ducati, hahaha, ok yeah, are you prepared to witness him look like a mere man? I doubt it, and I doubt he would want you to see him that way too.
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Its simple negotiation tactics, nothing more! Something rather subtle some might think, though glaringly obvious in this case, but I wouldn't expect you to "see" it.
 
i dont know if he does it and i dont know if i wanna see that but i think IF he does go to ducati the probability of failing is bigger than in any other of his teamchanges in the past!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Sep 16 2009, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi (& Burgess) are starting 2010 ‘Silly Season’ already! Now that’s playing their cards rightly so… Put on a ‘Donkey Face’ so no one can see it coming! (Whatever they are planning).
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V! If I'm reading your post right, then I totally agree. I think its a simple negotiation tactic, and one straight from Lorenzo's handbook.

Geez, did we learn nothing from Lorenzo's supposed courting of Ducati only to get a better deal with Yamaha?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 16 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>V! If I'm reading your post right, then I totally agree. I think its a simple negotiation tactic, and one straight from Lorenzo's handbook.

Geez, did we learn nothing from Lorenzo's supposed courting of Ducati only to get a better deal with Yamaha?

Remember Furusawa saying something like “All I need is Rossi”, and “If Lorenzo wants to leave he may”… Here starts and comes the true pressure towards Yamaha to set a ‘One’ number ‘One’ Rider straight out!
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I don’t blame Rossi/Burgess; those moves are smart as hell. As much as Burgess is totally amazed by Rossi up to date, I am amazed at their out of track intelligence too! From both, yes together, they take it on to any higher power and nail them!

You got to hand it to them Jumks, as a Team they are Talented, Dedicated, ‘Tactical’…

Bloody hell! And this may be where you and I digress: but I think Lorenzo is doomed and poor next Generation too come against this!
 

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