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Rider Safety Meeting

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2008, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is what they do in the rookies cup, and we both know how exciting that was eh Ror; .001 finish!
i'm really looking forward to the rookies cup at indy. we get the best of both the red bull rookies cup & motogp rookies cup together! i'm stoked!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 20 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Rookies Cup at assen was the most exciting race.
It's also a free video on MotoGP from the last race where a Norwegian rider show some race craft at the end of the race that the kind of Gibernau seems to have forgotten. An absolute beautifully executed last corner defence where the other guy dive on the inside only to find himself alone and too hot into the turn while the other quckly altered his line taking the outside, deep line and accelereate out of the corner for a win. Absolutly classic from a 15 year old
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this was excellent! it was matthew hoyle the saxon who was fighting it out with sturla fagerhaug the viking. beach, a yank, won the cup.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 20 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this was excellent! it was matthew hoyle the saxon who was fighting it out with sturla fagerhaug the viking. beach, a yank, won the cup.

Yeah I know Beach won. Don't know, was this the last race? I herad Sturla at least had the theoretical chanse of second.

Btw. He got the nicesest parents you can imagine. This year as last year a bunch of us met them at a resturant down town assen. They told this hillarious story about Sturla, still strugeling a bit with his english by misstake turned down a dinner invitation from C.Edwards.
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I used to ride in the same races, allthough not the same class as his old man. A multi champion in Norway in the GP250 class. Not as spectacular in his later days but very respected guy and he kept on forever. In his last race he actually raced his son
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sounds like the American Rookies Cup. If you have a chance, look for the finish of the Laguna rookies race. I think you will be impressed.


(Follow Benny Solis Jr. in the second highlight, Laguna Round. He is #35, Yellow helmet).

Check this out:

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benny solis in the middle 1st and leandrd mercado on the left 2nd
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 20 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't know, was this the last race?
the last for the motogp rookies cup. now they have 2 race weekends left. they have indy & valencia where the top 10 of each series compete to keep the cup thru to next year. its a team thing so it's 10 against ten.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 20 2008, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I herad Sturla at least had the theoretical chanse of second.

Btw. He got the nicesest parents you can imagine. This year as last year a bunch of us met them at a resturant down town assen. They told this hillarious story about Sturla, still strugeling a bit with his english by misstake turned down a dinner invitation from C.Edwards.
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I used to ride in the same races, allthough not the same class as his old man. A multi champion in Norway in the GP250 class. Not as spectacular in his later days but very respected guy and he kept on forever. In his last race he actually raced his son
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sturla ended up 3rd. salom took 2nd
great story
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Aug 20 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the last for the motogp rookies cup. now they have 2 race weekends left. they have indy & valencia where the top 10 of each series compete to keep the cup thru to next year. its a team thing so it's 10 against ten.

I didn't know it was a team thing, but I knew Sturla was cleard for the Indy round right there under the dinner if I remember correctly. 10 against 10 sound cool
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%MotoGP calls for new safety measures

By Matt BeerSaturday, August 16th 2008, 20:18 GMT
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MotoGP commercial rights-holder Dorna has called for a reduction in cornering speeds in the sport to prevent further injuries to riders, following a recent spate of high-speed crashes.

The organisation held a meeting with all the MotoGP riders at Brno on Saturday night to discuss potential regulation changes that could improve the level of safety in the sport.

The 2008 season has featured a string of injurious crashes, resulting in several leading riders being temporarily sidelined - with Jorge Lorenzo, Dani Pedrosa, Loris Capirossi and John Hopkins all forced to sit out events following violent accidents in the first half of 2008.

Although the 800cc engine formula and fuel restrictions that were introduced last season have succeeded in reducing straightline speeds, cornering speeds have now become a more significant issue, with faster lap times being produced at most circuits despite the cut in power.

Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta therefore believes that cornering speeds must now be reduced in order to keep the bikes' performance within safe limits.

"In principal, in the last races we realised that the speed in the corners has been increased dramatically," said Ezpeleta. "In Laguna Seca the straightline speed was almost the same as last year, but the lap times were 1.5 seconds faster.

"It is important to realise that we are increasing the speed in the corners, that means that all the work we are doing with the Safety Commission regarding the safety of the circuit is every time more difficult.

"I received from the promotors that it is important to talk about that, exactly the same as what has happened with the reduction of the speeds on the straight with 990 to 800. This is the problem we have right now."

He added that the significance of the issue was such that it had been necessary to consult the entire MotoGP paddock rather than just the existing Safety Commission.

"I think this is very important," Ezpeleta said. "Yesterday we talked in the Grand Prix Safety Commission with some of the riders, but due to the importance of the matter, we decided to talk with all of the riders.

"We asked all them to come to the meeting, I introduced to them the problem, they agreed, they discussed it for one hour. They proposed some ideas to be presented to the Grand Prix Commission to try to solve it.

"We will present that to the GPC, which is made up of the FIM, MSMA and Dorna, then everybody will discuss it."

The Dorna boss said the issue had arisen partly because the owners of the MotoGP circuits were now having to spend significantly more on safety facilities to cope with the increased cornering speeds of the modern bikes.

"The promoters of the circuits have spent more than 80 million euro, and presently they are spending more than 1.7 million more than they were three years ago on safety," said Ezpeleta.

"This is something that cannot continue, <u>and is it necessary to go more and more fast? No it isn't."</u>

Ezpeleta also played down suggestions that Dorna had proposed the adoption of a single tyre rule during the meeting.

"They discussed things but we cannot tell what is the outcome," Ezpeleta told autosport.com when asked whether control tyres had been proposed.

"We have decided that what they proposed will go to the MSMA, not to the press.

"This meeting was to discuss rider safety. Single tyres could be one of the issues to discuss, but it was not the issue to discuss, which was safety."

The possibility of control tyres for MotoGP had been floated last autumn amid suggestions that Bridgestone's dominance of the 2007 season was affecting the quality of the racing, but was ultimately rejected in favour of tweaks to the tyre testing and allocation rules.
 
The new issue of MCN is reporting there will be a control tyre for next year. Ha a spec tire in a prototype series. Very very very lame.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 20 2008, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The new issue of MCN is reporting there will be a control tyre for next year. Ha a spec tire in a prototype series. Very very very lame.
dont believe all you read in mcn, there just speculating like everyone else and they have a history of being wrong.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 20 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ahhh now it makes sense , its not saftey thats the issue its money
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Like that was really ever a secret. THOSE .......S.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 20 2008, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The new issue of MCN is reporting there will be a control tyre for next year. Ha a spec tire in a prototype series. Very very very lame.
Look at it this way. They all chose Bstones. Michelin is still available, but just nobody is biting. Its kinda like when Michelin ruled the word, it was like a control tire system in prototype racing (sort of, see remaining for explanation). At least this way, the stated goal will be to have everybody on a level playing field as far as tires (if Dorna can manage this transparently). Where as before, Michelin only gave the best their best compounds (no wonder they did so well, eh). I mean, the last two years people cried foul that Bstone was so good that they couldn't compete, now imagine the rest of the field when Michelin only use to give their favorite rider their A compounds, and the rest of the grid their B compounds. Its like what we have today. Interesting how we have not heard the same stuff we heard the last year about a certain advantage chalked up to tires by the fans of a certain rider. Ah, funny .....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 20 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look at it this way. They all chose Bstones. Michelin is still available, but just nobody is biting. Its kinda like when Michelin ruled the word, it was like a control tire system in prototype racing (sort of, see remaining for explanation). At least this way, the stated goal will be to have everybody on a level playing field as far as tires (if Dorna can manage this transparently). Where as before, Michelin only gave the best their best compounds (no wonder they did so well, eh). I mean, the last two years people cried foul that Bstone was so good that they couldn't compete, now imagine the rest of the field when Michelin only use to give their favorite rider their A compounds, and the rest of the grid their B compounds. Its like what we have today. Interesting how we have not heard the same stuff we heard the last year about a certain advantage chalked up to tires by the fans of a certain rider. Ah, funny .....
nah mate your wrong. i used to scream and shout how unfair it was when michilin only gave the good rubber to the top teams with the money, you should have heard me in doohans day but you couldn't because we didnt have places like this
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infact this place didnt exist at all in the mich domination era so how would you know what we said ?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 20 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nah mate your wrong. i used to scream and shout how unfair it was when michilin only gave the good rubber to the top teams with the money, you should have heard me in doohans day but you couldn't because we didnt have places like this
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infact this place didnt exist at all in the mich domination era so how would you know what we said ?
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I imagined it. And just like Tom, imagination is a form of fact.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Aug 20 2008, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Suggest you try this for better understanding, especially in regards to your bolding in point 1 and first sentence of point 3.

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It's actually quite a good read if your understanding of torque vs horsepower is not that clear.
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Leave this to Babel and me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 20 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK
isnt that pretty much admitting changing to 800s was never about safety which we'd all pretty much guessed anyway.just HRC using its influence under the banner of safety to get what it thoughtd be a winning formula the pedrobot and the rc211v minus a cylinder.Going faster round the twisty bits isnt as safe?really well no .... sherlock <_<The point is straight line speed up until a point isnt as dangerous as falling going round a corner (look at shinya mugello 2004/2005 i forget) and you cant tell me noone realised this before.Bring back the 990s now!How can it be a true prototype class with a lower capacity than 4 cylindr SBK's and a control tyre??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thom @ Aug 21 2008, 04:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>isnt that pretty much admitting changing to 800s was never about safety which we'd all pretty much guessed anyway.just HRC using its influence under the banner of safety to get what it thoughtd be a winning formula the pedrobot and the rc211v minus a cylinder.Going faster round the twisty bits isnt as safe?really well no .... sherlock <_<The point is straight line speed up until a point isnt as dangerous as falling going round a corner (look at shinya mugello 2004/2005 i forget) and you cant tell me noone realised this before.Bring back the 990s now!How can it be a true prototype class with a lower capacity than 4 cylindr SBK's and a control tyre??

No, Ezy gave an angry rant against the 800s a month ago. He said the 800cc formula was constructed and passed soon after Kato's death. Pedrosa wasn't even on the radar back then. He certainly wasn't 2x 250cc champ.

Ezy's downfall were the extra dumb changes to the tire rule. Costs needed to be cut but Ezmerelda couldn't have picked a worse way to change things. Now we have 1 tire manufacturer who even wants to be part of the series.

From 3 to 1 in the span of 2 years. Nice.
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The should have made a control tire a long time ago. Like I said prototyping is akin to free market capitalism--everything trends towards monopoly. Unless of course a cartel is formed cough
 

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