thanks for the link lex.... well it looks as if it's gonna happen. riders want to go back to the 990s! excellent. won't happen but it seems were all on the same page.
interesting, safety because of less grip
imo racing has never been safer. im against making race bikes slower, defeats the whole object imo. what we need is real men racing who dont whine the bikes are to fast.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>interesting, safety because of less grip
imo racing has never been safer. im against making race bikes slower, defeats the whole object imo. what we need is real men racing who dont whine the bikes are to fast.
ExaCTLY!!! Let's give em a call Rog I am up for the challenge!
ExaCTLY!!! Let's give em a call Rog I am up for the challenge!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>interesting, safety because of less grip
imo racing has never been safer. im against making race bikes slower, defeats the whole object imo. what we need is real men racing who dont whine the bikes are to fast.
Normally I'd be with you 100%, Rog, but since the inception of throttle by wire, I'm becoming less and less convinced that today's riders are whining.
At least when you highsided into the bails during the 500 era you knew it was your fault. Nowadays, your programmer might be to blame.
Normally I'd be with you 100%, Rog, but since the inception of throttle by wire, I'm becoming less and less convinced that today's riders are whining.
At least when you highsided into the bails during the 500 era you knew it was your fault. Nowadays, your programmer might be to blame.
I am calling ........! You will never ever find riders willing to give up their advantages they have earned. Less grip? Are you shitting me. No way this is for real. Less traction control electronics but more speed limiting electronics. You cant seriously expect me to buy this .....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 18 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Normally I'd be with you 100%, Rog, but since the inception of throttle by wire, I'm becoming less and less convinced that today's riders are whining.
At least when you highsided into the bails during the 500 era you knew it was your fault. Nowadays, your programmer might be to blame.
dont get me wrong lex, im all for a more direct link from rider to throttle, i think tc can be a double edged sword, great when it works but can give a false sense of security. but restricting top end and narrower tyres it a ..... cop out imho.
At least when you highsided into the bails during the 500 era you knew it was your fault. Nowadays, your programmer might be to blame.
dont get me wrong lex, im all for a more direct link from rider to throttle, i think tc can be a double edged sword, great when it works but can give a false sense of security. but restricting top end and narrower tyres it a ..... cop out imho.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ExaCTLY!!! Let's give em a call Rog I am up for the challenge!
me to matey
and if these ..... changes came into force i reckon we could ride them. theres to mant office boys making rules and to many highly paid highly sexed pre madonas riding. id ride for beer and a couple of brolly dollys a race.
me to matey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>interesting, safety because of less grip
imo racing has never been safer. im against making race bikes slower, defeats the whole object imo. what we need is real men racing who dont whine the bikes are to fast.
+ 1 ,Rog
+ 1 ,Rog
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NINE NINETIES!!!!! Please, oh please. If there is a racing God, he will listen to these 17 and 3/4 (you know who) riders and give them MOST of what they want. No more fly-by-wire, single tire rule and ....... 990s!
Oh it's all wishful thinking though, isn't it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 18 2008, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At least when you highsided into the bails during the 500 era you knew it was your fault. Nowadays, your programmer might be to blame.
Great point. You know, in between your wild (sometimes close to the mark) conspiracy theories, you make some pretty good points Lex.
Oh it's all wishful thinking though, isn't it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 18 2008, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>At least when you highsided into the bails during the 500 era you knew it was your fault. Nowadays, your programmer might be to blame.
Great point. You know, in between your wild (sometimes close to the mark) conspiracy theories, you make some pretty good points Lex.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>me to matey
and if these ..... changes came into force i reckon we could ride them. theres to mant office boys making rules and to many highly paid highly sexed pre madonas riding. id ride for beer and a couple of brolly dollys a race.
We could get Curve there to if we can get him a weed sponsorship. LOL. I gues he would have to ride for Team Green! LOL!!!
We could get Curve there to if we can get him a weed sponsorship. LOL. I gues he would have to ride for Team Green! LOL!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>id ride for beer and a couple of brolly dollys a race.
sign me up!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We could get Curve there to if we can get him a weed sponsorship. LOL. I gues he would have to ride for Team Green! LOL!!!
....... great
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 18 2008, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dont get me wrong lex, im all for a more direct link from rider to throttle, i think tc can be a double edged sword, great when it works but can give a false sense of security. but restricting top end and narrower tyres it a ..... cop out imho.
I agree.
I agree.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ Aug 18 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am calling ........! You will never ever find riders willing to give up their advantages they have earned. Less grip? Are you shitting me. No way this is for real. Less traction control electronics but more speed limiting electronics. You cant seriously expect me to buy this .....
All of this is plausible, especially considering the injuries this season.
The only part that is suspect is the inclusion of a control tire and narrow tires.
What's the point, if the governing body gets to control tire performance and construction why in the hell would they need to commit the marketing gaff of narrowing the tires? Obviously, these suggestions weren't put into a coherent document before submission. A majority of this stuff was probably mentioned in a forum session.
All of this is plausible, especially considering the injuries this season.
The only part that is suspect is the inclusion of a control tire and narrow tires.
What's the point, if the governing body gets to control tire performance and construction why in the hell would they need to commit the marketing gaff of narrowing the tires? Obviously, these suggestions weren't put into a coherent document before submission. A majority of this stuff was probably mentioned in a forum session.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 18 2008, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>NINE NINETIES!!!!! Please, oh please. If there is a racing God, he will listen to these 17 and 3/4 (you know who) riders and give them MOST of what they want. No more fly-by-wire, single tire rule and ....... 990s!
Oh it's all wishful thinking though, isn't it.
Great point. You know, in between your wild (sometimes close to the mark) conspiracy theories, you make some pretty good points Lex.
When I saw that the rider's were asking for the 990s back I almost teared up.
Thanks for the compliment, I find your posts quite good as well. Keep it real in the north, I'll keep it real in the south.
Oh it's all wishful thinking though, isn't it.
Great point. You know, in between your wild (sometimes close to the mark) conspiracy theories, you make some pretty good points Lex.
Thanks for the compliment, I find your posts quite good as well. Keep it real in the north, I'll keep it real in the south.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 18 2008, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>link
I'm not sure how reliable the source is, but these suggestions sound like things the riders would ask for.
Thanks for the link.It seems reliable i would think.
Isn't alot of those suggestions the same thing as making it harder to control the bike,there fore making it more dangerous?
Also,isn't that the point with prototypes,they become faster every year?
This must be some panic-first-aid help for tracks to rebuild every year.It would be kind of boring if they just added weight and found another way to fund the rebuilding of the tracks.I sure hope not.Then the tires would be even more decisive,control tires or not.It would probarbly happen with 990's too but it would be fun to watch.
I would shure love to see 990's with limited topspeed or with no fly-by-wire.990's in any form would be just great anyway!
I'm not sure how reliable the source is, but these suggestions sound like things the riders would ask for.
Thanks for the link.It seems reliable i would think.
Isn't alot of those suggestions the same thing as making it harder to control the bike,there fore making it more dangerous?
Also,isn't that the point with prototypes,they become faster every year?
This must be some panic-first-aid help for tracks to rebuild every year.It would be kind of boring if they just added weight and found another way to fund the rebuilding of the tracks.I sure hope not.Then the tires would be even more decisive,control tires or not.It would probarbly happen with 990's too but it would be fun to watch.
I would shure love to see 990's with limited topspeed or with no fly-by-wire.990's in any form would be just great anyway!
Supposing the source is good it's good news that riders also want this. Except the top speed limit ... who the .... is the sissy that asked for a top speed limit???? It's OK if it's Nakano (he's allowed to whine about that since his rear tyre exploded at 300km/h+ in a straight) if it was someone else he is really a sissy!
For me, right now, the priority is single tyre and banned TC (= control ECU). Fortunately I think single tyre will be achieved soon (2009?) thanks to latest .... up of Michelin, unfortunately getting rid of TC will be much harder, all the teams spend a lot on it and want to reap the benefits of their research. But I think they understand that this road is a dead end and that sooner or later it will have to be banned like it happened in F1.
About the rest:
990cc that's OK for me, not too sure MSMA will be happy about it after spending a lot of money in 800cc development. Anyway for me it's not too significant current 800cc have the power (and torque) of first 990s, and you don't see them handle the same, problem is electronics. Plus don't think they can get that much power back with the fuel restriction on the 990cc.
Thinner tyres is OK but you can't make them TOO thin can't have MotoGP bikes looking like 125s. But the change to single tyre will alone make them considerably slower. They could go for longer distance tyres (1set for quali and race?) so they are forced to use harder compounds and it would reduce costs quite a lot.
Top speed limit .... NO ....... WAY
For me, right now, the priority is single tyre and banned TC (= control ECU). Fortunately I think single tyre will be achieved soon (2009?) thanks to latest .... up of Michelin, unfortunately getting rid of TC will be much harder, all the teams spend a lot on it and want to reap the benefits of their research. But I think they understand that this road is a dead end and that sooner or later it will have to be banned like it happened in F1.
About the rest:
990cc that's OK for me, not too sure MSMA will be happy about it after spending a lot of money in 800cc development. Anyway for me it's not too significant current 800cc have the power (and torque) of first 990s, and you don't see them handle the same, problem is electronics. Plus don't think they can get that much power back with the fuel restriction on the 990cc.
Thinner tyres is OK but you can't make them TOO thin can't have MotoGP bikes looking like 125s. But the change to single tyre will alone make them considerably slower. They could go for longer distance tyres (1set for quali and race?) so they are forced to use harder compounds and it would reduce costs quite a lot.
Top speed limit .... NO ....... WAY
