Reading between the lines

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 21 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Chris V on where he might end up in 2010

Vermeulen's decision will eventually revolve around where he has the best chance of scoring results. "I'm a racer and I like riding and winning, so I will go with a bike and a team that I think can win races and a championship, either World Superbikes or MotoGP," Vermeulen told the Courier Mail. At the same time, Vermeulen also pointed out that without factory equipment, it is all but impossible to win in MotoGP. "Until there are some rule changes the only way to win is on a factory Honda or Yamaha," Vermeulen said. "Even Casey has found that this season."


Since he is most definatley NOT going to have a ride on a factory Yamaha or Honda, and in his words,the only way to win is on a Honda Or Yamaha,he seems destined for WSBK, if he really wants to wins races and a championship.
What does he mean "rule changes" should yam & Honda (& maybe duc) be penalized for building winning bikes. There are no rules to prevent Suzi &/or Kawa from having winning bikes - same applies in theory for Aprilia & BMW. CV will be lucky to get a "factory" ride anywhere

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Sep 21 2009, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What does he mean "rule changes" should yam & Honda (& maybe duc) be penalized for building winning bikes. There are no rules to prevent Suzi &/or Kawa from having winning bikes - same applies in theory for Aprilia & BMW. CV will be lucky to get a "factory" ride anywhere

I think that he was speaking more on the terms of unspoken rules. Factory bikes are so far ahead of the satelite bikes that satelite teams don't have a chance to win a race let alone a championship. The rules need to be changed to help satelite teams become more competitive. That being said, CV was on a factory bike .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 21 2009, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Chris V on where he might end up in 2010

Vermeulen's decision will eventually revolve around where he has the best chance of scoring results. "I'm a racer and I like riding and winning, so I will go with a bike and a team that I think can win races and a championship, either World Superbikes or MotoGP," Vermeulen told the Courier Mail. At the same time, Vermeulen also pointed out that without factory equipment, it is all but impossible to win in MotoGP. "Until there are some rule changes the only way to win is on a factory Honda or Yamaha," Vermeulen said. "Even Casey has found that this season."


Since he is most definatley NOT going to have a ride on a factory Yamaha or Honda, and in his words,the only way to win is on a Honda Or Yamaha,he seems destined for WSBK, if he really wants to wins races and a championship.
Hey now, lets not rule out the ama. Or whatever the .... they call it now. The new Mladin, I can see it now; The new ama lifer Chris Vermladen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 21 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey now, lets not rule out the ama. Or whatever the .... they call it now. The new Mladin, I can see it now; The new ama lifer Chris Vermladen.

He is a wet racer, with wet only bike, and won at dry Laguna. He must suck



He'll take Checas seat next year, I think anyways. Way underrated IMO

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Sep 21 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He is a wet racer, with wet only bike, and won at dry Laguna. He must suck
He'll take Checas seat next year, I think anyways. Way underrated IMO

Rumor is he'll be at Aprilia. Perhaps soon since Nakano has been dismissed for Imola and Magny

Anyway,
He podiumed, not won, in Laguna, on Bridgestones.
I'm sure after a while, Ant West woulda won a wet race. Look at where he is in WSS (94pts off highest Honda, 126 points off Cal).

I've been a fan of Vermeulen's for quite some time. There was a lot of hype when he came in, in 2006 and it would take some pretty astounding results to live up to that hype on a Suzuki. I always wanted to see what he could do on a satellite Yamaha or Honda but I don't think he was ever going to challenge for a title. No matter who he rides for in WSBK next year he's going to be a threat for wins and the title. I think Ten Kate is probably the safest bet but the potential with Aprilia and Yamaha is huge. I'm no Biaggi hater but I don't think he's quite got it anymore and he's been capable of running with Haga and Spies on occasion this season. There's a lot of speed in the RSV4.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 22 2009, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've been a fan of Vermeulen's for quite some time. There was a lot of hype when he came in, in 2006 and it would take some pretty astounding results to live up to that hype on a Suzuki. I always wanted to see what he could do on a satellite Yamaha or Honda but I don't think he was ever going to challenge for a title. No matter who he rides for in WSBK next year he's going to be a threat for wins and the title. I think Ten Kate is probably the safest bet but the potential with Aprilia and Yamaha is huge. I'm no Biaggi hater but I don't think he's quite got it anymore and he's been capable of running with Haga and Spies on occasion this season. There's a lot of speed in the RSV4.

Yes its all quite interesting.......the aprilia seems a very precise animal, CV's style may/may not gel, would be great to see as they deserve some more better results with it.

From memory CV use to hang out the rear quite a lot on that TenKate Honda, similar to Spies currently, I think the R1 would be perfect for CV, and of course Spies would love to have another Aussie team Mate!!!! This one is a bit nicer than the last me thinks!!

Not too sure if Yamaha wants another two titans in the same team though-enough problems in the other camp, Spies is no doubt happy with the under-performing Sykes opposite, nice change from the AMA days.......

I'd be surprised if Chris Vermeulen can get a ride in AMA.... the guy's a big disappointment in my book. Showed alot of potential as a WSBK rider, but sadly didn't live up to the hype once he got into the big show, not that his performance was bad at all.... just that he got beaten by all his teammates, and as we all know a rider is measured on how he fares against his teammate on the same machinery.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2009, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd be surprised if Chris Vermeulen can get a ride in AMA.... the guy's a big disappointment in my book. Showed alot of potential as a WSBK rider, but sadly didn't live up to the hype once he got into the big show, not that his performance was bad at all.... just that he got beaten by all his teammates, and as we all know a rider is measured on how he fares against his teammate on the same machinery.
So he impressed quite a bit in WSBK, got beaten by his teammates in GPs, his performances were "not bad at all" and he managed to win a Grand Prix but you'd be surprised if he could get a ride in the AMA? If he moves back to WSBK he's a championship contender, period. And you think AMA bosses would turn their noses? Really?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 22 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So he impressed quite a bit in WSBK, got beaten by his teammates in GPs, his performances were "not bad at all" and he managed to win a Grand Prix but you'd be surprised if he could get a ride in the AMA? If he moves back to WSBK he's a championship contender, period. And you think AMA bosses would turn their noses? Really?

Yup "really" - I don't see his appeal - 6 years ago WSS Champion, 4 years ago WSBK Nr 2, won hybrid race at LeMans in 2007 and been pretty much lower mid-field ever since, with few exceptions. Look at other MotoGP riders who went to WSBK - some were attractive because they were close to the top before moving, but none have dominated WSBK. CV is NOT close to the top & doesn't have this attraction - what makes people think that a few years being in the main unsuccessful in MotoGP are a formula for success in WSBK. AMA has screwed itself with new closer to stock rules and anyway CV holds little attraction for an american public

CV I believe is underated. He did fairly well on the Zook when he first got into the GPs. I feel that he is the victim of #2 rider on a second rate team.
Yeah.. I said it.. Rizla/Factory Suzuki is not a top team in Motogp. I maintain that Capirex runs the roost in that hen house since he arrived and CV is the moled step child. I would love to see him on the LCR Honda.

Then we can asess if he is quick or not.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Sep 22 2009, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>CV I believe is underated. He did fairly well on the Zook when he first got into the GPs. I feel that he is the victim of #2 rider on a second rate team.
Yeah.. I said it.. Rizla/Factory Suzuki is not a top team in Motogp. I maintain that Capirex runs the roost in that hen house since he arrived and CV is the moled step child. I would love to see him on the LCR Honda.

Then we can asess if he is quick or not.


Yeah.... put him on the LCR Honda where he will have no one to compare his lap times with, well... at least then he wouldn't look so bad rigtht? If I remember correctly Randy DePuniet was getting his ... handed to him by Shinya Nakano when they were both on the Kawasaki.

If anything Suzuki's hope was with Chris Vermeulen, not Hopkins or Caparossi. I'm surprise Suzuki still has him onboard, though I think after this year he will get the axe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 23 2009, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah.... put him on the LCR Honda where he will have no one to compare his lap times with, well... at least then he wouldn't look so bad rigtht? If I remember correctly Randy DePuniet was getting his ... handed to him by Shinya Nakano when they were both on the Kawasaki.

If anything Suzuki's hope was with Chris Vermeulen, not Hopkins or Caparossi. I'm surprise Suzuki still has him onboard, though I think after this year he will get the axe.

How far behind the times are you?

CV has said he is looking elsewhere.

Capirex is signed by Suzuki

Bautista is signed by Suzuki

Denning has publicly wished CV all the best for his future



Oh and as for CV, well I don't think he is over-rated but will say he has underachieved against the expectations but remains the only race winner on a Suzuki in the four stroke era which is an achievement that many longer term riders cannot claim.

CV for mine stayed to long at Suzuki (whether by loyalty or necessity) and as a result his career has suffered as a result. I also firmly believe that he has never been the top of the tree with Suzuki and has suffered immensely for that, particularly over the last 2 or so years which have been for me, his worst.

I hope he does get a ride somewhere that is decent and that he kicks ..., he is good enough but personally I doubt that he is MotoGP material because he to me seems to lake the innate mongrel ....... approach needed to be able to get the things you as the rider need (he is not alone there). Success in MotoGP is not always about riding talent alone but the ability to be able to get the relative aspects you need and CV simply to me is to nice to be the prick that he needs to be at times





Gaz

So much of the sport is mental and CV seems to be at an all time low. He's persona non-grata in the paddock and he gets very little interest from the press. It also appears that he was unable to get Herve to hire him for free (although Colin is the top scoring satellite rider this season.

I'm not sure what CV needs but a trip to WSBK would probably do him a world of good. The paddock is more relaxed, and there is tons of equipment that is good enough to help him score regular podiums or regular wins. CV really just needs some time in the spotlight in order to help his confidence return.

There are a lot of good places for him to go. Aprilia seems to be trying to make a 1000cc version of an 800cc bike. Maybe Verme can give them some good results and good feedback. If not Aprilia, I think he should return to the SBK team where he showed his potential--Honda. Ronald would probably like to have him on board.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Sep 22 2009, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup "really" - I don't see his appeal - 6 years ago WSS Champion, 4 years ago WSBK Nr 2, won hybrid race at LeMans in 2007 and been pretty much lower mid-field ever since, with few exceptions. Look at other MotoGP riders who went to WSBK - some were attractive because they were close to the top before moving, but none have dominated WSBK. CV is NOT close to the top & doesn't have this attraction - what makes people think that a few years being in the main unsuccessful in MotoGP are a formula for success in WSBK. AMA has screwed itself with new closer to stock rules and anyway CV holds little attraction for an american public
Vermeulen is a Superbiker through and through, he came through that paddock and developed Honda's Fireblade program into a winner. That's how he got his seat in MotoGP, remember? He has a rather impressive resume, one that boasts a WSS Championship, WSBK runner up and MotoGP race winner. You find me with someone with that pedigree who can't land a WSBK ride. Who cares about American attraction? If he came, he would be by far the most talented man in the paddock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2009, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah.... put him on the LCR Honda where he will have no one to compare his lap times with, well... at least then he wouldn't look so bad rigtht? If I remember correctly Randy DePuniet was getting his ... handed to him by Shinya Nakano when they were both on the Kawasaki.

If anything Suzuki's hope was with Chris Vermeulen, not Hopkins or Caparossi. I'm surprise Suzuki still has him onboard, though I think after this year he will get the axe.
While Nakano was a veteran of the class and de Puniet was in his rookie season. I'd take de Puniet in his prime over Nakano in his prime any day. Nakano was great in his own right in the sense that he offered great feedback but he could rarely go blindingly fast. Although he had a crashing stage in his career, de Puniet seems to be able to go blindingly fast. He's got two podiums in the 800cc era, how many does Nakano have?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 23 2009, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If [CV] moves back to WSBK he's a championship contender, period.
Sorry Austin, you've got more faith than me... I hope he can reestablish his career at his previous level in WSBK but an immediate championship contender? Show me, I'm from Missouri.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Sep 23 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry Austin, you've got more faith than me... I hope he can reestablish his career at his previous level in WSBK but an immediate championship contender? Show me, I'm from Missouri.
So long as he lands a competitive ride, which I think he will, I don't think he'll have any trouble surging to the sharp end. Just my opinion, though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 23 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So long as he lands a competitive ride, which I think he will, I don't think he'll have any trouble surging to the sharp end. Just my opinion, though.

I don't know. Hopper (Basspete I know your ears are ringing) isn't lighting the WSBK paddock on fire and he beat Vermulen on the same equipment. BUt is Hopper Superbiker material?