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rd3 Le Mans... picks, practice & qualy...possible SPOILERS!

Slow riders on the racing line?Go to youtube or google video and punch in Reinhold Roth ,Yugoslavian GP, 1990.This is the consequence of not paying attention..................just my two pennyworth.
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well it's abit early to speculate on the entire season continuing in this direction. he's kinda startin like toseland did in his rookie season... great 1st race at qatar then the wheels kinda fell of the cart.... unlike the tose i think ben will overcome these problems...... eventually.
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got my fingers crossed for a jinx
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Well first of all Hayden is looking good for being on an improved but still .... bike.
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If Ducati is a ..... bike, it logically follows that Espargaro, who is doing better on a satellite Ducati than three previous 250cc world champions on Hondas, is the next Hailwood? Seriously -- maybe he is, who knows
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Cmon jums, surely haydens performance is demonstrating that the 800 duck is more rideable than ever, farck if it's .... now then how bad was it the last three years?? How bad was the 07-08 Honda?? Nicky hasn't featured so well since 2006......France isn't cs's favourite circuit so his showing is similar to previous



The Yamaha is best though, easy to see why with the two best riders on it-at each others throats



IMO the fiat Yamaha garage is also no doubt benefitting from the wealth of experience in it's ranks, the weather hasn't been this good/warm at le mans for quite a while.
 
I didn't see the incident even though I watched the whole australian TV coverage; the dorna video coverage keeps breaking up here. I did see him not perturbed earlier in the day when baulked . How slowly was espargaro going and was he right on the racing line?.



I actually don't mind pedrosa. Not so keen on puig, although I am grateful for what he did for stoner and understand he has done a lot for other young riders.

I watched the dorna coverage of quali with absolutely no issues. I'm in Boonah Qld, which is hardly the big city, and get about 4Meg on my line. Where are you, Michael?



As an aside, I'm back off to the UK for work on Wednesday, so will probably disappear for a while until I get a rental place and the internet connected. At least it's summer over there I suppose!
 
Slow riders on the racing line?Go to youtube or google video and punch in Reinhold Roth ,Yugoslavian GP, 1990.This is the consequence of not paying attention..................just my two pennyworth.
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Wow! Those two cents are horrible Otis! After watching it, I take back any complains of mine! Give the finger to anyone one the line!
 
If Ducati is a ..... bike, it logically follows that Espargaro, who is doing better on a satellite Ducati than three previous 250cc world champions on Hondas, is the next Hailwood? Seriously -- maybe he is, who knows
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The bike is obviously better overall. Like other stoner fans though I fear it has lost the element that stoner could uniquely exploit, and may not be a rossi beating bike in anyone's hands including stoner's. I rather liked the apparent purity of the ducati approach to the 2007 bike, which seemed to be to build a bike which might be capable of beating valentino, however radical; even then I don't think they planned to build a bike that only one rider could ride and in particular that only stoner could ride.



Espargaro might be pretty good, if not mike hailwood good; he hung with hayden for quite a while in practice.
 
I watched the dorna coverage of quali with absolutely no issues. I'm in Boonah Qld, which is hardly the big city, and get about 4Meg on my line. Where are you, Michael?



As an aside, I'm back off to the UK for work on Wednesday, so will probably disappear for a while until I get a rental place and the internet connected. At least it's summer over there I suppose!

Probably my old computer and lack of updates then; I am not good at this new-fangled computer stuff. I saw a complaint elsewhere of similar issues from someone using firefox as I do though.
 
The bike is obviously better overall. Like other stoner fans though I fear it has lost the element that stoner could uniquely exploit, and may not be a rossi beating bike in anyone's hands including stoner's. I rather liked the apparent purity of the ducati approach to the 2007 bike, which seemed to be to build a bike which might be capable of beating valentino, however radical; even then I don't think they planned to build a bike that only one rider could ride and in particular that only stoner could ride.



Espargaro might be pretty good, if not mike hailwood good; he hung with hayden for quite a while in practice.



Original point was Ducs aren't as bad as Suz! Which in my opinion clearly are better!
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Probably my old computer and lack of updates then; I am not good at this new-fangled computer stuff. I saw a complaint elsewhere of similar issues from someone using firefox as I do though.

I use firefox 3.0.14 and XP SP1 (must get around to upgrading to SP3!) Laptop is only a year old, but wasn't top of the range. Use Speedtest.net to check your download/upload speeds.
 
Original point was Ducs aren't as bad as Suz! Which in my opinion clearly are better!
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Sure, and I don't think I have disagreed with you on this point in this thread. You are quite possibly also right that stoner hasn't adapted to the GP10, he certainly doesn't look to have the rhythm that he had on the gp07, on the gp08 on good week-ends, or even the gp09 at the end of last season. If nicky developed the bike it is not surprising that it suits him though; I would imagine that it is hard to develop a bike any other way. I have no complaint about this either; although I don't like marlboro or their marketing guy casey's return was in doubt and the reputation of the bike was deterring prospective future riders.
 
Sure, and I don't think I have disagreed with you on this point in this thread. You are quite possibly also right that stoner hasn't adapted to the GP10, he certainly doesn't look to have the rhythm that he had on the gp07, on the gp08 on good week-ends, or even the gp09 at the end of last season. If nicky developed the bike it is not surprising that it suits him though; I would imagine that it is hard to develop a bike any other way. I have no complaint about this either; although I don't like marlboro or their marketing guy casey's return was in doubt and the reputation of the bike was deterring prospective future riders.





I would say Stoner is about on par compared with previous seasons. He was dominating in Qatar and no one was going to catch him and Jerez and Le Mans have never been his best tracks.
 
I would say Stoner is about on par compared with previous seasons. He was dominating in Qatar and no one was going to catch him and Jerez and Le Mans have never been his best tracks.

He crashed at qatar though (in practice as well) which he didn't look like doing in the races the previous 3 years; I too am hoping it was an aberration.
 
He crashed at qatar though (in practice as well) which he didn't look like doing in the races the previous 3 years; I too am hoping it was an aberration.



I'd be thinking the Duc. may well be more user friendly for the general populous, unfortunately for Stoner it was what gave him the edge. The screamer was a faster machine however it had to be ridden on the edge. Thats possibly why folk said the Duc. and Stoner are suited.



But I'd go further to say that it is the effect of grip balance due to the change in power that does not now suit Stoner. He seems a rider who lets the back float around, thus grip emphasis is on the front. Now with the rear gripping so much the balancehas shifted and the front is now looser than he likes. Certainly have seen less of those slides and backing in manouveurs that appeared to be his trademark.



I'd be getting him back on a screamer quick smart. It has nothing to do with weight distribution but the effect of changing the grip at the back and its corresponding effect on the front.
 
I'd be thinking the Duc. may well be more user friendly for the general populous, unfortunately for Stoner it was what gave him the edge. The screamer was a faster machine however it had to be ridden on the edge. Thats possibly why folk said the Duc. and Stoner are suited.



But I'd go further to say that it is the effect of grip balance due to the change in power that does not now suit Stoner. He seems a rider who lets the back float around, thus grip emphasis is on the front. Now with the rear gripping so much the balancehas shifted and the front is now looser than he likes. Certainly have seen less of those slides and backing in manouveurs that appeared to be his trademark.



I'd be getting him back on a screamer quick smart. It has nothing to do with weight distribution but the effect of changing the grip at the back and its corresponding effect on the front.

I agree, but I don't think going back to the screamer is an option particularly with the engine limits.
 
Morning warm-up......

Stoner

Lorenzo

Hayden

De Puniet

Rossi

Spies

Dovizioso

Pedrosa

Capirossi

Melandri
 
"The shoulder bothered me a little bit," Valentino explained. Adding, "I thought it would be worse, but the real problem was that things weren't perfect otherwise. I couldn't stay with Jorge on corner exit. I tried to close the doors on him a few times, but he was faster and did well."

No comment needed
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Stoner... I'm devastated. On Italian TV Vitto tried to explain it was just a "normal" accident but two "accidents" in three races hurt a lot.



It looks like it could be Lorenzo's year, in light of the fact that he seems the only one among the so called 'aliens' who is feeling perfectly confident with tyres from start to finish. Stoner crashes, Valentino laments persistent traction problems in the race (or is he losing the sacred fire?), only Lorenzo does not have any problems at all.



Pedrosa very nervous, Dovi and Hayden on the rise.

It's the time of the "second" riders (Lorenzo, Dovi, Hayden) while the "first" ones (Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa) are all losing to their teammates.



I'm very curious to see what will happen at Mugello now.
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